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#155
Feb 23, 2013
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Do you REALLY want to compare the obstinance of the Senate democrats...to the absolute treachery of the House republicans?
The Senate has not passed a meaningfull bill in almost three years!
As Harry Reid claims, any bills that come frome the House, are D.O.A. when they reach the Senate.
There are over 450 bills that have been passed by the House, that just sit in the Senate just due to Obama and Reid's partisianship, and their refusal to look at them.
Do you really think thats whats best for our country?
I wonder what you think about Obama's "sequester" and all of the spending cuts that will come from it?
You do remember, back in 2011, it was HIS plan, in order to get the debt ceiling raised.

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#156
Feb 23, 2013
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Seem's quite universally understood nationally, that the main blockage of government in the Congress has been House republicans,
How do you explain over 450 bills that have been passed by the House, that just sit in the Senate?
Seem's to be the opposite of what you claim, doesnt it?
http://www.salon.com/2010/10/06/senate_inacti...

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/...

http://majorityleader.gov/blog/2011/06/senato...
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#157
Feb 23, 2013
 
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>The Senate has not passed a meaningfull bill in almost three years!
As Harry Reid claims, any bills that come frome the House, are D.O.A. when they reach the Senate.
There are over 450 bills that have been passed by the House, that just sit in the Senate just due to Obama and Reid's partisianship, and their refusal to look at them.
Do you really think thats whats best for our country?
I wonder what you think about Obama's "sequester" and all of the spending cuts that will come from it?
You do remember, back in 2011, it was HIS plan, in order to get the debt ceiling raised.
The ball is in Congress' court. Let the House put a budget together first that the Senate will agree to. One that is balanced and fair and includes a fair share of revenue from corporations and millionaires and billionaires along with closing loopholes that they have enjoyed for a very long time. One that also includes cuts in spending that are FAIR and BALANCED. Defense included. There are no sacred cows. If the House or the Senate doesn't want to do that, then let them send whatever they have to Obama and if Obama deems it to be its FAIR AND BALANCED enough, which is what he's said all along is what its going to take -- FAIR and BALANCED -- he can veto it, as he is permitted to do, and which he has promised to do if it doesn't contain a FAIR AND BALANCED APPROACH. The House and the mice in that chamber can then face the music, accept that they've screwed up by insisting on putting party before country, take their medicine like men and allow the cuts to occur across the board under sequestration which they had a hand in (it wasn't all Obama's doing), and have already agreed to. Let them realize the damage that will occur to the country will be on them. And Hail to the chief for sticking to his guns!
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#158
Feb 23, 2013
 
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>How do you explain over 450 bills that have been passed by the House, that just sit in the Senate?
Seem's to be the opposite of what you claim, doesnt it?
http://www.salon.com/2010/10/06/senate_inacti...
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/...
http://majorityleader.gov/blog/2011/06/senato...
Whether there's been 1 or 1000 bills passed in the HOUSE is immaterial. If the HOUSE bills which b.s., which 99% of them were, then Reid and the Senate should rightly $hit can them. There's a reason why there are TWO chambers of congress and an Executive Branch of govt. Checks and balances. Is that concept to much for you?
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#159
Feb 23, 2013
 
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>The Senate has not passed a meaningfull bill in almost three years!
As Harry Reid claims, any bills that come frome the House, are D.O.A. when they reach the Senate.
There are over 450 bills that have been passed by the House, that just sit in the Senate just due to Obama and Reid's partisianship, and their refusal to look at them.
Do you really think thats whats best for our country?
I wonder what you think about Obama's "sequester" and all of the spending cuts that will come from it?
You do remember, back in 2011, it was HIS plan, in order to get the debt ceiling raised.
Obama has made it quite clear what its going to take. The House doesn't get it though. The House can put together a budget that is FAIR AND BALANCED, and that will pass the senate test. When that happens it will go to the President. Obama said he would sign it if it contained a FAIR and BALANCED Approach and met his criteria. He's also made it quite clear what's going to happen if the HOUSE continues with their gamesmanship and political chicken.

This is not rocket science. Its really a pretty simple thing. Except for you who is all full of Faux talk and too dense to see light.

The sequestration was a bipartisan budget deal. There were no illusions of what it would mean if it had to be implemented.

The GOPTP loses again. They keep kicking themselves in the arse. Isn't that good.
Chip

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Feb 23, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
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Whether there's been 1 or 1000 bills passed in the HOUSE is immaterial. If the HOUSE bills which b.s., which 99% of them were, then Reid and the Senate should rightly $hit can them. There's a reason why there are TWO chambers of congress and an Executive Branch of govt. Checks and balances. Is that concept to much for you?
Spoken like a true communist.
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Feb 23, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
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Obama has made it quite clear what its going to take. The House doesn't get it though. The House can put together a budget that is FAIR AND BALANCED, and that will pass the senate test. When that happens it will go to the President. Obama said he would sign it if it contained a FAIR and BALANCED Approach and met his criteria. He's also made it quite clear what's going to happen if the HOUSE continues with their gamesmanship and political chicken.
This is not rocket science. Its really a pretty simple thing. Except for you who is all full of Faux talk and too dense to see light.
The sequestration was a bipartisan budget deal. There were no illusions of what it would mean if it had to be implemented.
The GOPTP loses again. They keep kicking themselves in the arse. Isn't that good.
He will only sign a bill that is exactly what he wants, sounds like compromise.
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#162
Feb 23, 2013
 
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Spoken like a true communist.
and what's communist about it CHIMP?
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#163
Feb 23, 2013
 
Chip wrote:
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He will only sign a bill that is exactly what he wants, sounds like compromise.
You haven't accepted it yet, but Obama is the President and he's in his second term. The president has to think about what is best for the country as a whole not just a segment of it. What part of that do you not understand? The HOUSE knows full well what had to be in their budget. Paul Ryan is a numbers guy or so he says but he thinks its his way or the highway. It doesn't work that way. Let them face the music. Its the House who has failed. Let them go down for another one. They're going to get it stuck and its going to get broken off. I guess they like it.

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pipedream wrote:
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Obama has made it quite clear what its going to take. The House doesn't get it though. The House can put together a budget that is FAIR AND BALANCED, and that will pass the senate test. When that happens it will go to the President. Obama said he would sign it if it contained a FAIR and BALANCED Approach and met his criteria. He's also made it quite clear what's going to happen if the HOUSE continues with their gamesmanship and political chicken.
This is not rocket science. Its really a pretty simple thing. Except for you who is all full of Faux talk and too dense to see light.
The sequestration was a bipartisan budget deal. There were no illusions of what it would mean if it had to be implemented.
The GOPTP loses again. They keep kicking themselves in the arse. Isn't that good.
Actually for those who passed 8th grade civics class (few liberals) the House passes a bill/budget which is then sent to the Senate. The Senate then takes it, makes their adjustments and passes it. The bill/budget is then sent to committee which is tasked with merging the two versions. The compromise version is then sent back to both House & Senate where it is voted on and then becomes law.

If the Senate never brings the bill up, then the fault lies with the Senate. It is their job to make revisions to the House version which starts the compromise. The reason there is no compromise is because the Senate refuses to submit a bill/budget that Congress can then debate.

The committee's version can be rejected by either/both the House or Senate, but at that point it becomes public what each chamber and each member favors and opposes. Right now, Reid does not want any member of the D's in the Senate to have their opinion made public.

Unfortunately, the low information voters don't remember much of school so when Chris Matthews, Matt Damon and Samual Jackson say it is the R's fault, that's good enough for them.
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Feb 23, 2013
 
FLBeaver wrote:
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Actually for those who passed 8th grade civics class (few liberals) the House passes a bill/budget which is then sent to the Senate. The Senate then takes it, makes their adjustments and passes it. The bill/budget is then sent to committee which is tasked with merging the two versions. The compromise version is then sent back to both House & Senate where it is voted on and then becomes law.
If the Senate never brings the bill up, then the fault lies with the Senate. It is their job to make revisions to the House version which starts the compromise. The reason there is no compromise is because the Senate refuses to submit a bill/budget that Congress can then debate.
The committee's version can be rejected by either/both the House or Senate, but at that point it becomes public what each chamber and each member favors and opposes. Right now, Reid does not want any member of the D's in the Senate to have their opinion made public.
Unfortunately, the low information voters don't remember much of school so when Chris Matthews, Matt Damon and Samual Jackson say it is the R's fault, that's good enough for them.
Thank you. Since pipedream spends their days dreaming about Obama and the word "fair" (which no politician could spell let alone define), they can't seem to understand how the process is actually supposed to work. Apparently if Obama says something, in the words of Pharaoh "so let it be written, so let it be done." Obama wants to be king or dictator or anything but President.
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Who cares anymore, blame away, it's to the point of cry wolf and is looking mighty thin and stupid now.

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Feb 23, 2013
 
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>The Senate can't even vote on a budget for years.... Blockage? The O takes a lot of vacations and spends millions we don't have......... The Tea Party members pay your EBT benefits......
Kinda vacant space, eh? Glad you've found a home.....

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Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>How do you explain over 450 bills that have been passed by the House, that just sit in the Senate?
Seem's to be the opposite of what you claim, doesnt it?
http://www.salon.com/2010/10/06/senate_inacti...
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/...
http://majorityleader.gov/blog/2011/06/senato...
How do you explain House republican's 17% Approval Rating???????
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>How do you explain House republican's 17% Approval Rating???????
Because we don't have anyone that has any street smarts.You would definitely NOT want me in the news or an elected official.

You would be surprised at how liberal the (me) conservative is.

It's all too bloated, code pink, George soros and his TONS of propaganda outlets,OWS being funded by SEIU, and Carl Rove funding things that I don't agree on.

All the T party is, is regular folks, but being demonetized from the start, your news has painted the whole thing far to mischievous than things really are.

Like, "how racist the tea party is" or "AstroTurf", it is just not true.

Oh but now, we have to act like OWS and throw bricks at stores to make a freegen point, is why people are being pushed to acting out, there is no spokesman for the regular folk.
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The dividing of states amongst the Progies and the Pats will now commence.

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Actually, it would likely be wonderful if we just dropped the party system, completely....they could just run, merely on their stances on all the issues and be held accountable accordingly....the two party system has spawned this silly, team rivalry environment.....No political Pacts.....Limit drastically corporate financial input...
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
Actually, it would likely be wonderful if we just dropped the party system, completely....they could just run, merely on their stances on all the issues and be held accountable accordingly....the two party system has spawned this silly, team rivalry environment.....No political Pacts.....Limit drastically corporate financial input...
Agree totally. But carry it one step further...NO money from anyone, even private citizens. Lobbying would be illegal completely with jail time for the lobbyist AND the senator or representative OR President who talked to them or accepted funds from them. They want to run for the Senate, Congress or President, they use their funds or they don't run. Of course, that scenario would mean that only the RICH would be able to afford to run. Would that be you? It certainly wouldn't be me. Just think, we could have a whole bunch of rich people running things and nothing would ever change. Rather like now.
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Go Blue Forever wrote:
Actually, it would likely be wonderful if we just dropped the party system, completely....they could just run, merely on their stances on all the issues and be held accountable accordingly....the two party system has spawned this silly, team rivalry environment.....No political Pacts.....Limit drastically corporate financial input...
Not meaning it as derogatory I think it fantasy to not have a party system. It just doesn't follow human nature. Not that that is a good thing.

This country started out as a non-party system and by the time Jefferson ran for president he had established the the second party.

This is an interesting insight into the development of our two party system: http://www.apstudynotes.org/us-history/topics...

I strongly agree with "No political Pacts.....Limit drastically corporate financial input..." I would prefer to see it/them eliminated completely.

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#174
Feb 24, 2013
 
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>How do you explain House republican's 17% Approval Rating???????
It's not just the House that has low ratings Blue. It's All of congress, and includes Both parties.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152528/congress-jo...

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