Really

Kalamazoo, MI

#44 Feb 20, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
The caucus chair is Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. Of a total possible 435 Representatives, as of January 6, 2013, the committee has 49 members, all Republicans.[15]
Rodney Alexander, Louisiana
Michele Bachmann, Minnesota, Chair
Joe Barton, Texas
Gus Bilirakis, Florida
Rob Bishop, Utah
Diane Black, Tennessee
Michael C. Burgess, Texas
Paul Broun, Georgia
John Carter, Texas
Bill Cassidy, Louisiana
Howard Coble, North Carolina
Mike Coffman, Colorado
Ander Crenshaw, Florida
John Culberson, Texas
Jeff Duncan, South Carolina
Blake Farenthold, Texas
Stephen Fincher, Tennessee
John Fleming, Louisiana
Trent Franks, Arizona
Phil Gingrey, Georgia
Louie Gohmert, Texas
Vicky Hartzler, Missouri
Tim Huelskamp, Kansas
Lynn Jenkins, Kansas
Steve King, Iowa
Doug Lamborn, Colorado
Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri
Kenny Marchant, Texas
Tom McClintock, California
David McKinley, West Virginia
Gary Miller, California
Mick Mulvaney, South Carolina
Randy Neugebauer, Texas
Rich Nugent, Florida
Steven Palazzo, Mississippi
Steve Pearce, New Mexico
Ted Poe, Texas
Tom Price, Georgia
Phil Roe, Tennessee
Dennis Ross, Florida
Ed Royce, California
Steve Scalise, Louisiana
Pete Sessions, Texas
Adrian Smith, Nebraska
Lamar Smith, Texas
Tim Walberg, Michigan
Lynn Westmoreland, Georgia
Joe Wilson, South Carolina
Members of Senate Caucus
Mike Lee (Utah)[5]
Jerry Moran (Kansas)
Rand Paul (Kentucky)[5]
Tim Scott (South Carolina)
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the top contributors to the Tea Party caucus members are health professionals, retirees, the real estate industry and oil and gas interests. The Center said the contributions to caucus members from these groups, plus those from Republican and conservative groups, are on average higher than those of House members in general and also those of other Republicans. The average Tea Party caucus member received more than $25,000 from the oil and gas industry, compared to about $13,000 for the average House member and $21,500 for the average House Republican
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus
None in the Democrat Party
Not to diss you SIB, but Wikipedia is NOT allowed as a viable source in any high school or college course because it can be changed to suit the poster's agenda. There are Democrats who are Tea Party members.(Since you and other progressives like to disrespect the Tea Party so much, I will be glad to remind you of their official name). As for their names and states, thank you. As for Michelle being the chairperson, I rather doubt it, since she seems to be the target of most of the hatred from the libs/dems/progressives toward the Tea Party.

So, out of a possible 435 members, 49, according to your information, are Tea Party members? Hardly a majority are they? Hardly even enough to cause any damage in anything other than the minds of the dems/libs/progressives.

I will give you this though, they have your undies in a bunch and have given you folks someone to blame for all the perceived ills in this country other than the party it belongs to.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#45 Feb 20, 2013
Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.
Mark Twain

This goes for both sides
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#46 Feb 20, 2013
Dr X wrote:
This is so blatantly obvious. Obama comes up with the idea of sequester then blames Republicans for the looming cuts. He then stands in front of hundreds of law enforcement officials and firefighters and quips that these will be the first folks who'll get fiscally nailed. Of course, he says it's the Republicans fault. It's easy to see that Obama is simply trying to make the House of Representatives look bad in an attempt to swing it to the left in 2014. He knows he can't achieve his Marxist agenda unless he has both sides of Congress working with him. This guy is a real danger to the republic.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/19/ob...
I'm afraid that the only BIG DIVORCE is you from reality, andit won't get any better!

FACT - President Obama WAS the first one to float the idea of sequestration. Sequestration was only the last straw, and was supposed to get Congress to cme together to form a budget that would reduce deficit spending.

FACT - Both Houses of Congess voted to approve the idea of sequestration.

FACT - The Super Committee made upof an equal number of dems/reps, FAILED to come up with the budget they were tasked to complete.

FACT - Neither House of Congress has come up wih a budget since that time, that the other political party is willing to vote for, or that the President is willing to sign into law.

FACT- Sequestration IS going to start cutting the budget in another ten days unless Congress puts aside partisanship bickering, OR they decide to kick the can down the road once again.

FACT - When Rep Boehner informs the world that it is up to the President to produce a bduget, he is FAILING to perform his own duties. It is the House that is supposed to draft the workable budget, and not the White House.

FACT - The Ryan Buget IS NOT a workable budget for anyone other than the party that wrote it. It never stood a chance of passing in either the Senate, nor being siged by the President. That the Repubicans kept pushing the same plan over and over again only shows hw totally disfunctional the House has become under Republican leaderhip.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#47 Feb 20, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>You leave traitor. I will personally show you the door.
Actually, anyone who suggests that they are above the constitution this country was formed upon would be considered a traitor to that nation.......

But don't let that stop you from your whiny little rants!
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#48 Feb 20, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Not to diss you SIB, but Wikipedia is NOT allowed as a viable source in any high school or college course because it can be changed to suit the poster's agenda. There are Democrats who are Tea Party members.(Since you and other progressives like to disrespect the Tea Party so much, I will be glad to remind you of their official name). As for their names and states, thank you. As for Michelle being the chairperson, I rather doubt it, since she seems to be the target of most of the hatred from the libs/dems/progressives toward the Tea Party.
So, out of a possible 435 members, 49, according to your information, are Tea Party members? Hardly a majority are they? Hardly even enough to cause any damage in anything other than the minds of the dems/libs/progressives.
I will give you this though, they have your undies in a bunch and have given you folks someone to blame for all the perceived ills in this country other than the party it belongs to.
You whined and cried for proof, and SIB provides it for you. Now you whine and cry about the source.

Perhaps you should get off your lazy ass and provide a link of your own showing all those Democrats that belong to a fanatical right wing organization.

If you are too damn lazy and stooopid to do so, don't blame us for pointing it out....... Over and over again!
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#49 Feb 20, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
I said the same thing when liberals and the media were going nuts and blaming Bush about high fuel prices that didn't last anywhere near as long. I was called all kinds of fun names for that one! Funny how liberals have suddenly found a brain on the president's lack of control over fuel prices when that president is a democrat.
Even you have to admit the hypocrisy on this one.
My question is still open; So how is $4/gal Obama's fault? Can the President of the United States control gas prices? If so, how?

I asked about the President of the United States, I didn't exclude Bush from it.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#50 Feb 20, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Not to diss you SIB, but Wikipedia is NOT allowed as a viable source in any high school or college course because it can be changed to suit the poster's agenda. There are Democrats who are Tea Party members.(Since you and other progressives like to disrespect the Tea Party so much, I will be glad to remind you of their official name). As for their names and states, thank you. As for Michelle being the chairperson, I rather doubt it, since she seems to be the target of most of the hatred from the libs/dems/progressives toward the Tea Party.
So, out of a possible 435 members, 49, according to your information, are Tea Party members? Hardly a majority are they? Hardly even enough to cause any damage in anything other than the minds of the dems/libs/progressives.
I will give you this though, they have your undies in a bunch and have given you folks someone to blame for all the perceived ills in this country other than the party it belongs to.
Wikipedia allowed or not the list of names is quite straight forward. I am open to seeing where it's different.

So name the Democrat Tea Partiers.

The 49 doesn't have to be a majority to make their agenda work. Here's why: http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/sites/...

So actually the Tea Party has YOUR undies in a bunch. Against all evidence you still believe it's all Obama's fault.

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#53 Feb 20, 2013
Blaming republicans gets easier every day.
They go out of their way to make themselves look like idiots.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#54 Feb 20, 2013
Chip wrote:
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The rest of us have a brain and remember the dems controlled the house and senate from 2006 to 2010, with Obama in charge for 2 of those years.
It takes someone with a small mind such as yourself to propose its someone else fault that Obama is a failure. Nice of you to finally admit he is a failure though.
The 108th Congress from Jan. 2003 to Jan. 2005 was Republican controlled both chambers.

The 109th Congress from Jan. 2005 to Jan. 2007 was Republican controlled both chambers.

In fact the Republicans had majorities in both chambers continuously from Jan. 1995 thru Dec. 2007 .... 12 years. The Great Recession began in 2007, the last year of Republican control of both chambers.

The Democrats held a majority in the HOUSE during the 110th Congress (Jan. 2007 to Dec. 2008) but the Senate was a split 49-49 with 2 members independent.

Only for the 111th Congress from Jan. 2009 to Dec. 2010, Obama's first two years, did the Democrats control both chambers.

pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#55 Feb 20, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Not to diss you SIB, but Wikipedia is NOT allowed as a viable source in any high school or college course because it can be changed to suit the poster's agenda. There are Democrats who are Tea Party members.(Since you and other progressives like to disrespect the Tea Party so much, I will be glad to remind you of their official name). As for their names and states, thank you. As for Michelle being the chairperson, I rather doubt it, since she seems to be the target of most of the hatred from the libs/dems/progressives toward the Tea Party.
So, out of a possible 435 members, 49, according to your information, are Tea Party members? Hardly a majority are they? Hardly even enough to cause any damage in anything other than the minds of the dems/libs/progressives.
I will give you this though, they have your undies in a bunch and have given you folks someone to blame for all the perceived ills in this country other than the party it belongs to.
And you're saying that Wikipedia is not reliable for the reasons you cit but that Faux news, The Blaze and The Tea Party Review / Magazine are reliable / credible?
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#56 Feb 20, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, anyone who suggests that they are above the constitution this country was formed upon would be considered a traitor to that nation.......
But don't let that stop you from your whiny little rants!
I think I know somebody in D.C. who thinks he's above the Constitution.
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#57 Feb 20, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm afraid that the only BIG DIVORCE is you from reality, andit won't get any better!
FACT - President Obama WAS the first one to float the idea of sequestration. Sequestration was only the last straw, and was supposed to get Congress to cme together to form a budget that would reduce deficit spending.
FACT - Both Houses of Congess voted to approve the idea of sequestration.
FACT - The Super Committee made upof an equal number of dems/reps, FAILED to come up with the budget they were tasked to complete.
FACT - Neither House of Congress has come up wih a budget since that time, that the other political party is willing to vote for, or that the President is willing to sign into law.
FACT- Sequestration IS going to start cutting the budget in another ten days unless Congress puts aside partisanship bickering, OR they decide to kick the can down the road once again.
FACT - When Rep Boehner informs the world that it is up to the President to produce a bduget, he is FAILING to perform his own duties. It is the House that is supposed to draft the workable budget, and not the White House.
FACT - The Ryan Buget IS NOT a workable budget for anyone other than the party that wrote it. It never stood a chance of passing in either the Senate, nor being siged by the President. That the Repubicans kept pushing the same plan over and over again only shows hw totally disfunctional the House has become under Republican leaderhip.
Think Obama+Reid. There is your answer as to why we're at this point.
Chip

Madison, WI

#58 Feb 20, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
The 108th Congress from Jan. 2003 to Jan. 2005 was Republican controlled both chambers.
The 109th Congress from Jan. 2005 to Jan. 2007 was Republican controlled both chambers.
In fact the Republicans had majorities in both chambers continuously from Jan. 1995 thru Dec. 2007 .... 12 years. The Great Recession began in 2007, the last year of Republican control of both chambers.
The Democrats held a majority in the HOUSE during the 110th Congress (Jan. 2007 to Dec. 2008) but the Senate was a split 49-49 with 2 members independent.
Only for the 111th Congress from Jan. 2009 to Dec. 2010, Obama's first two years, did the Democrats control both chambers.
Sure, and those 2 independent members belonged to which caucuses?
In fact the recession started in 2007, under the watch of democrat controlled house and senate.

So, back to your argument before you changed the subject. How did the tea party affect Obama's recovery when he had 2 years of complete control, more than enough time to turn things around, and yet nothing happend but increased debt.
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#59 Feb 20, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
The 108th Congress from Jan. 2003 to Jan. 2005 was Republican controlled both chambers.
The 109th Congress from Jan. 2005 to Jan. 2007 was Republican controlled both chambers.
In fact the Republicans had majorities in both chambers continuously from Jan. 1995 thru Dec. 2007 .... 12 years. The Great Recession began in 2007, the last year of Republican control of both chambers.
The Democrats held a majority in the HOUSE during the 110th Congress (Jan. 2007 to Dec. 2008) but the Senate was a split 49-49 with 2 members independent.
Only for the 111th Congress from Jan. 2009 to Dec. 2010, Obama's first two years, did the Democrats control both chambers.
I don't care who controlled what or when. When are you going to learn that it's the spending that's killing us? And Democrats spend more than Republicans do with two exceptions,(1) Reagan's Star Wars program (2)Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. We don't have any more money and are borrowing .40 of every dollar! How are we EVER going to repay that when Obama throws money at everything he sees? No wonder there hasn't been a budget in four years. He doesn't want one...
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#60 Feb 20, 2013
Chip wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, and those 2 independent members belonged to which caucuses?
In fact the recession started in 2007, under the watch of democrat controlled house and senate.
So, back to your argument before you changed the subject. How did the tea party affect Obama's recovery when he had 2 years of complete control, more than enough time to turn things around, and yet nothing happend but increased debt.
Ok. Here ya go Genius.

The One Hundred Ninth United States Congress was the legislative branch of the United States, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives, from January 3, 2005 to January 3, 2007, during the fifth and sixth years of George W. Bush's presidency. House members were elected in the 2004 elections on November 4, 2004. Senators were elected in three classes in the 2000 elections on November 7, 2000, 2002 elections on November 5, 2002, or 2004 elections on November 4, 2004. The apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives was based on the Twenty-second Census of the United States in 2000. Both chambers had a Republican majority, the same party as President Bush.

Source: Wikipedia (LOL).

Are you suggesting that the 110th Congress (Jan. 2007 till Dec. 2009), wherein the Democrats held a majority in the House but not the Senate, is reason enough to cast blame on the Democrats for the GREAT RECESSION which also began in 2007, the last year of Bush's presidency. By your reasoning then it would NOT be justified to cast a high degree of blame for the GREAT RECESSION on the GOP controlled Congresses (PLURAL) from 1995 thru 2006, a 12 year period preceding the 110th Congress?

Here it is folks. Per Chip, because the Democrats had control of ONE chamber beginning the year the GREAT RECESSION began they are to blame for all the havoc & suffering the global financial meltdown caused, which the U.S. and the other industrialized countries of the world still have not fully recovered from, but not the GOP who controlled BOTH chambers for 12 year between 1995 thru 2006.

Explain your reasoning o wise one.
Mark Luxford

Grand Rapids, MI

#61 Feb 20, 2013
Really wrote:
This whole issue was Obama's idea in 2009 and now he's blaming the Republicans? His administration put this idea out there with his "commission" he got together. The only fools in this argument are those who are allowing Obama to blame the party that didn't put the commission together to study deficit reduction in 2009.
GOOGLE IT!
You are correct, the Obama administration came up with the idea of sequestration as a way to get both sides to act. However, let's not forget that sequestration would not have been approved had the Republicans not gone along with it. If sequestration is implemented both parties will have to share responsiblity for the pain it causes.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#62 Feb 20, 2013
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>I don't care who controlled what or when. When are you going to learn that it's the spending that's killing us? And Democrats spend more than Republicans do with two exceptions,(1) Reagan's Star Wars program (2)Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. We don't have any more money and are borrowing .40 of every dollar! How are we EVER going to repay that when Obama throws money at everything he sees? No wonder there hasn't been a budget in four years. He doesn't want one...
You don't get it do you? You will NEVER get it Dr. NO. You are simply too dense to see light. It will do no good to keep going over the federal budge process, the national debt and its origins, powers of Congress and the president in the budgeting and appropriations process, the politics, the negotiations, tax policies, spending and revenue, and all the the other stuff that's been discussed here ad nauseum.

I got an idea Dr. NO. You want to start your own colony somewhere free of progressives and all the rest you have decided are the causes of everything you don't like? How about Pluto? Its all yours big guy. Go for it!
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#63 Feb 20, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't get it do you? You will NEVER get it Dr. NO. You are simply too dense to see light. It will do no good to keep going over the federal budge process, the national debt and its origins, powers of Congress and the president in the budgeting and appropriations process, the politics, the negotiations, tax policies, spending and revenue, and all the the other stuff that's been discussed here ad nauseum.
I got an idea Dr. NO. You want to start your own colony somewhere free of progressives and all the rest you have decided are the causes of everything you don't like? How about Pluto? Its all yours big guy. Go for it!
I know how it works pipesmoker. The fact is is that progressives like yourself want the process to work according to your own political desires. I'm quite afraid that this republic of ours is made up of TWO political parties and was designed as such, one checking the other in the forlorn hopes that middle ground could be attained. Obama and his ilk(that would be you), have no such desire to work with Republicans on anything. They don't want to accept any form of compromise. This is why in the end, Obama will fundamentally damage the Democratic party. Don't believe me? We'll see how you fare fours years from now. Until then, you could do yourself a favor by laying of your crackpipe.
Chip

Madison, WI

#64 Feb 20, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok. Here ya go Genius.
The One Hundred Ninth United States Congress was the legislative branch of the United States, composed of the United States Senate and the United States House of Representatives, from January 3, 2005 to January 3, 2007, during the fifth and sixth years of George W. Bush's presidency. House members were elected in the 2004 elections on November 4, 2004. Senators were elected in three classes in the 2000 elections on November 7, 2000, 2002 elections on November 5, 2002, or 2004 elections on November 4, 2004. The apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives was based on the Twenty-second Census of the United States in 2000. Both chambers had a Republican majority, the same party as President Bush.
Source: Wikipedia (LOL).
Are you suggesting that the 110th Congress (Jan. 2007 till Dec. 2009), wherein the Democrats held a majority in the House but not the Senate, is reason enough to cast blame on the Democrats for the GREAT RECESSION which also began in 2007, the last year of Bush's presidency. By your reasoning then it would NOT be justified to cast a high degree of blame for the GREAT RECESSION on the GOP controlled Congresses (PLURAL) from 1995 thru 2006, a 12 year period preceding the 110th Congress?
Here it is folks. Per Chip, because the Democrats had control of ONE chamber beginning the year the GREAT RECESSION began they are to blame for all the havoc & suffering the global financial meltdown caused, which the U.S. and the other industrialized countries of the world still have not fully recovered from, but not the GOP who controlled BOTH chambers for 12 year between 1995 thru 2006.
Explain your reasoning o wise one.
So now the republicans are responsible for the entire world's economy?

How about you stop changing the subject. How is the tea party responsible for Obama being a failure?
Chip

Madison, WI

#65 Feb 20, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't get it do you? You will NEVER get it Dr. NO. You are simply too dense to see light. It will do no good to keep going over the federal budge process, the national debt and its origins, powers of Congress and the president in the budgeting and appropriations process, the politics, the negotiations, tax policies, spending and revenue, and all the the other stuff that's been discussed here ad nauseum.
I got an idea Dr. NO. You want to start your own colony somewhere free of progressives and all the rest you have decided are the causes of everything you don't like? How about Pluto? Its all yours big guy. Go for it!
Just because you seem to enjoy pointing out everyone else’s grammatical errors, please explain the definition of the federal “budge” process.

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