Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#63 Nov 3, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
Apparently if the drug companies like your healthcare plan..you can keep it...what a surprise.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/if-big-pharma-l...
I'm sure the progressives will wrangle up some better sounding words and that will be enough to keep their marginally-educated voters in the proper place.

The Democrats' latest word-spin involves the cancellation notices millions of Americans are and will be getting thanks to Humptycare, notifying them that regardless of whether or not they liked their Dr. they won't be able to keep him.

Let's not call them "cancellation notices", these little socialists say ... doesn't it sound so much better to call them "transitions"??

They're ... you still can't keep your Doc, but by golly, we're gonna "transition" you!!

http://washingtonexaminer.com/top-democrat-sa...
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#64 Nov 3, 2013
Correction - (there).
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#65 Nov 3, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would anyone want to stop the show? Watching Obama step on his dick at every turn is slowly destroying his legacy one deceitful act at a time. Watching him try to gloss his mess over is priceless and letting him continue will only serve as a reminder to future generations to never elect such a slimebag as him again.
Hopefully Americans will learn from this.
You and your bastard cousin O-no-balls don't have the smarts to figure this out on your own so I'll explain it for both of you.

Even before the Act went into effect, individual insurance plans typically had to be renewed annually, many were cancelled without warning, and year-to-year rates were already soaring. Also ACA allows insurers in the private market -- which is only about 5% of the total market -- to continue offering their old plans, but MANY INSURERS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO. There is NOTHING stopping them from offering their b.s. insurance policies and continuing to screw people.

In other words, the Act isn’t the culprit; the insurers are. Obama is being skewered for failing to warn Americans what they should already have known: that the market for private insurance is totally unreliable. Which is why the Affordable Care Act was needed in the first place.

The websites will be fixed. If you don't like what a solid insurance policy will cost, go without and die in the emergency room. The world will be a better place without you.
setrlvr

Lake Odessa, MI

#66 Nov 3, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
You and your bastard cousin O-no-balls don't have the smarts to figure this out on your own so I'll explain it for both of you.
Even before the Act went into effect, individual insurance plans typically had to be renewed annually, many were cancelled without warning, and year-to-year rates were already soaring. Also ACA allows insurers in the private market -- which is only about 5% of the total market -- to continue offering their old plans, but MANY INSURERS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO. There is NOTHING stopping them from offering their b.s. insurance policies and continuing to screw people.
In other words, the Act isn’t the culprit; the insurers are. Obama is being skewered for failing to warn Americans what they should already have known: that the market for private insurance is totally unreliable. Which is why the Affordable Care Act was needed in the first place.
The websites will be fixed. If you don't like what a solid insurance policy will cost, go without and die in the emergency room. The world will be a better place without you.
Stop mumbling...all I heard was a really loud slurp.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#67 Nov 4, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
You and your bastard cousin O-no-balls don't have the smarts to figure this out on your own so I'll explain it for both of you.
Even before the Act went into effect, individual insurance plans typically had to be renewed annually, many were cancelled without warning, and year-to-year rates were already soaring. Also ACA allows insurers in the private market -- which is only about 5% of the total market -- to continue offering their old plans, but MANY INSURERS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO. There is NOTHING stopping them from offering their b.s. insurance policies and continuing to screw people.
In other words, the Act isn’t the culprit; the insurers are. Obama is being skewered for failing to warn Americans what they should already have known: that the market for private insurance is totally unreliable. Which is why the Affordable Care Act was needed in the first place.
The websites will be fixed. If you don't like what a solid insurance policy will cost, go without and die in the emergency room. The world will be a better place without you.
So HumptyCare hasn't solved a damned thing and if people don't like it they can just die. It's all the insurance companies fault so go blame them instead of the democrats who voted this mess into law.

... got it, polly (rolls eyes).

Seems $600 plus million wasn't enough for the government to get even a website right the first time. I guess we have to spend an additional few hundred more million just to get back to an even worse health insurance situation than before the progressives came goose stepping into the picture.

I hope the progressive spin machine produced something more intelligent than Polly's "just die" response over the weekend, or there in for another week-long arse-blistering by the American people. But at this point "what does it matter?!!", right Obama-voters?

Hillary/Humpty 2016!
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#68 Nov 4, 2013
setrlvr wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop mumbling...all I heard was a really loud slurp.
Gross.

Unlike are tempestuous little Polly Parrot, the other low-info Useful Idiots on this site are smart enough to stay in hiding until they get their talking points spoon-fed to them today. You can bet they'll come roaring back with a whole new load of finger pointing and excuse making, as well as the usual dose of liberal vulgarity and stale insults.

In the meantime reality is trumping rhetoric, and HumptyCare is still crashing down the heartland of America, as millions will wake up to cancellation notices in their mailboxes ... courtesy of the Democrat's Hope & Change promises.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#69 Nov 4, 2013
pipedream wrote:
Even before the Act went into effect, individual insurance plans typically had to be renewed annually, many were cancelled without warning, and year-to-year rates were already soaring.
So you mean Obama KNEW he was lying when he told America, repeatedly, that if they liked their insurance and they liked their doctor, they could keep them both. Wow...thanks...that's SO much better than the alternative. Face it, pippy...no matter how you dbags spin this, you come out smelling bad and America is moving upwind of all of you en masse. 2014 is coming for the dbag party of degenerates.
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#70 Nov 4, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
So you mean Obama KNEW he was lying when he told America, repeatedly, that if they liked their insurance and they liked their doctor, they could keep them both. Wow...thanks...that's SO much better than the alternative. Face it, pippy...no matter how you dbags spin this, you come out smelling bad and America is moving upwind of all of you en masse. 2014 is coming for the dbag party of degenerates.
Some contend the failure of Obamacare is simply part of the progressive plan to force America into a single payer health system, something the progressives have long wanted as a pillar to "fundamentally transforming" this nation. I'm not much into conspiracy theories myself, but if the democrats were trying to make Obamacare fail I'm not sure what they would do differently.

And once Obamacare fails, what happens? The American people will be demanding something be done to insure them ... anything!! Commence Single Payer. Mission Accomplished!

With the liberal media now openly criticizing Obama, something they'd never do without being instructed to by the progressive mind spring, it's at least feasible that this is all just another complicated ploy by the radical, anti-American progressives to win the war of single payer health system.

It's one or the other: either this administration is playing a complicated end game with the American people, or they are completely inept.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#71 Nov 4, 2013
Conservative /Republican Alternatives To Obamacare

1. Repeating the phrase “you can keep your current doctor” over and over until something happens

2. Loosening regulations to allow Americans to ship ill and injured family members to cheaper doctors overseas

3. Whatever the opposite of tyranny is

4. Allowing sick Americans to choose how they exhaust their life savings on a single medical bill, even if it’s out of plan

5. A true market-based solution—perhaps a convenient website—where uninsured people would pay for their own health insurance from private providers

6.$2,500 cash incentive to the first person who cures cancer

7. A health care law that won’t allow the disgrace of another Benghazi

8. Unsettling language and several ominous-looking graphs labeled “Obamacare” followed by a breezy smile and soothing, unspecific words
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#72 Nov 4, 2013
pipedream wrote:
Conservative /Republican Alternatives To Obamacare
1. Repeating the phrase “you can keep your current doctor” over and over until something happens
2. Loosening regulations to allow Americans to ship ill and injured family members to cheaper doctors overseas
3. Whatever the opposite of tyranny is
4. Allowing sick Americans to choose how they exhaust their life savings on a single medical bill, even if it’s out of plan
5. A true market-based solution—perhaps a convenient website—where uninsured people would pay for their own health insurance from private providers
6.$2,500 cash incentive to the first person who cures cancer
7. A health care law that won’t allow the disgrace of another Benghazi
8. Unsettling language and several ominous-looking graphs labeled “Obamacare” followed by a breezy smile and soothing, unspecific words
Clever, whomever you lifted that from, polly. I'm sure the millions of American voters receiving "transition" letters forcing them out of their current coverage and into a greatly more expensive plan will find those kinds of cute little lists hilarious. I'm also sure more finger-pointing isn't going to get the dems out of this one.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#73 Nov 4, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems $600 plus million wasn't enough for the government to get even a website right the first time. I guess we have to spend an additional few hundred more million just to get back to an even worse health insurance situation than before
lol I see your source for the "Real Truth" is none other than Faux News, Hannity and the blaze. So its 600 million eh O-no-balls? I can't help but picture your fat azz on Hannity's lap as he pulls the levers that moves your big mouth and short chubby fingers as you bang away on your keyboard.
Sassy

Byron Center, MI

#74 Nov 4, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
lol I see your source for the "Real Truth" is none other than Faux News, Hannity and the blaze. So its 600 million eh O-no-balls? I can't help but picture your fat azz on Hannity's lap as he pulls the levers that moves your big mouth and short chubby fingers as you bang away on your keyboard.
I hope you die.
Baddream

Hudsonville, MI

#75 Nov 4, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
lol I see your source for the "Real Truth" is none other than Faux News, Hannity and the blaze. So its 600 million eh O-no-balls? I can't help but picture your fat azz on Hannity's lap as he pulls the levers that moves your big mouth and short chubby fingers as you bang away on your keyboard.
Pipey - you'd better hope you can keep your shrink with Bumma care because you are one sick messed up dude or Dudette.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#76 Nov 4, 2013
what's the matter Wetdream? Its obvious what your problem is. You still can't find a real job that offers a living wage and health insurance. Maybe you ought to consider changing your life-long dream because window washing is just not working well for you.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#77 Nov 4, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
You and your bastard cousin O-no-balls don't have the smarts to figure this out on your own so I'll explain it for both of you.
Even before the Act went into effect, individual insurance plans typically had to be renewed annually, many were cancelled without warning, and year-to-year rates were already soaring. Also ACA allows insurers in the private market -- which is only about 5% of the total market -- to continue offering their old plans, but MANY INSURERS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO. There is NOTHING stopping them from offering their b.s. insurance policies and continuing to screw people.
In other words, the Act isn’t the culprit; the insurers are. Obama is being skewered for failing to warn Americans what they should already have known: that the market for private insurance is totally unreliable. Which is why the Affordable Care Act was needed in the first place.
The websites will be fixed. If you don't like what a solid insurance policy will cost, go without and die in the emergency room. The world will be a better place without you.
The more you type you prove you know little or nothing about ACA.
First you said "individual insurance plans typically had to be renewed annually, many were cancelled without warning" I'd need a number to go with "many"...that says little or nothing. It is widely known, even by Obama before he signed the law that at least 8 million policies would be canceled and the number has grown, because of changes, to as many as 16 million. Provide numbers to "many" that equal that number...good luck.
Second you said "ACA allows insurers to continue offering their old plans, but MANY INSURERS ARE CHOOSING NOT TO. There is NOTHING stopping them"...Bullshit...they are allowed to continue until next year and then the policies that do not meet the "minimum requirements" according to ACA will become illegal and moot. This will force a single male 30 years old to buy mamogram and pre-natal insurance along with other items he has no use for.
Third you said "the Act isn’t the culprit"...Bullshit...the act is most certainly the culprit. If "the act" didn't exist millions of policies would go on as normal.
Fourth you said "Obama is being skewered for failing to warn Americans what they should already have known"...you are damn right he's being skewered and rightly so. He clearly led Americans to believe that there were no circumstances that would not allow someone to continue with the policy they currently have. He never mentioned in any public speech that policies would have to meet certain standards under the ACA...never.
Fifth...you are a weak person, it's easy to tell. Wishing death upon me is a clear sign you have lost this debate and have no other recourse than to hope I die so you won't have to face reality and continued embarrassment.
Find something you have knowledge of and debate that...you are out classed here.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#78 Nov 4, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
8 million policies would be canceled and the number has grown, because of changes, to as many as 16 million. Provide numbers to "many" that equal that number...good luck.
You provide proof of YOUR figures Wiggles.

You provide some numbers Wiggles.

Annual renewals, cancellations and premium increases occurred long before ACA came along. Thats a fact, not bullshit. Secondly the policies that are being cancelled by insurers are INDIVIDUAL (the kind you buy yourself - not the kind you get from an employer) along with some small group market plans which combined are a small fraction of all policy holders -- 5 percent or less in fact. These plans are called NON-GRANDFATHERED plans and, as such do not comport to ACA minimum requirements, and rightly should be cancelled because they are NOT worth the paper they are written on.

Non-grandfathered plans:

place lifetime limits on "essential health benefits".

can rescind a member's coverage for just about any reason

do not extend dependent coverage to age 26

exclude coverage to children < 19 with pre-existing conditions

don't cover or limit coverage for preventative services

limit or don't cover emergency services

don't allow members to choose their primary care physician for themselves or their dependents

don't allow or limit members access to obstetrical or gynecological services

Grandfathered plans are those that were created before or in existence on March 23, 2010 and have maintained basically the same coverages since their creation. These plans do count and can be offered. However, While no one is forcing insurers to cancel these types of plans, like non-grandfathered plans, insurers have been doing so for NO OTHER REASON than to improve their bottom line profit margins. They are ridding themselves of these types of policies and the inherent risks to their profit margins and falsely blaming it on ACA.

Here's what INDIVIDUAL grandfathered plans ( and ALL OTHER plans) under ACA have to do:
End lifetime limits on coverage
End arbitrary cancellations of health coverage
Cover adult children up to age 26
Provide a Summary of Benefits and Coverage, a short, easy-to-understand summary of what a plan covers and costs
Hold insurance companies accountable to spend your premiums on health care, not administrative costs and bonuses

If these plans don't offer the foregoing features, then they do not comport with ACA. Its that simple

While grandfathered INDIVIDUAL plans are required to offer the coverages listed above, they DON'T have to do the following:

Cover you if you have a pre-existing health condition

Offer preventive care for free

Guarantee your right to appeal

Protect your choice of doctors and access to emergency care

Be held accountable through Rate Review for excessive premium increases

End yearly limits on coverage

Indeed, as the foregoing summary clearly shows -- insurers ARE the culprits -- not ACA. INSURERS are CHOOSING to cancel policies rather that being forced to do so by the ACA as they are claiming.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#79 Nov 4, 2013
Gotta give credit to Polly for real estate usage for a gargantuan post that misses the entire point. LOL

The point she keeps trying to squirrel away from is no one recalls Obama mentioning "grandfathered" plans, or individual plans as exceptions when he made his infamous, "if you like yer current doc, you can keep'm!!" lie over and over again.

What they are taking note of now is they're being forced to purchase a more expensive plan with a bunch of crap they don't want. And their already stressed bank accounts are going to be a constant reminder that they were LIED to - in many cases by the Liar-In-Chief they elected! That's going to be a bitter pill to keep swallowing every month.

One thing is certain, some ignorant little liberal twat with a laundry list of copy/paste pro-HumptyCare details isn't going to put them in a better mood.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#80 Nov 4, 2013
Oneal wrote:
Gotta give credit to Polly for real estate usage for a gargantuan post that misses the entire point. LOL
The point she keeps trying to squirrel away from is no one recalls Obama mentioning "grandfathered" plans, or individual plans as exceptions when he made his infamous, "if you like yer current doc, you can keep'm!!" lie over and over again.
What they are taking note of now is they're being forced to purchase a more expensive plan with a bunch of crap they don't want. And their already stressed bank accounts are going to be a constant reminder that they were LIED to - in many cases by the Liar-In-Chief they elected! That's going to be a bitter pill to keep swallowing every month.
One thing is certain, some ignorant little liberal twat with a laundry list of copy/paste pro-HumptyCare details isn't going to put them in a better mood.
They certainly can spin themselves around and around thought, can't they? They really should be more careful or those helmets they wear are gonna break and then where will they be?:)
Really

Wyoming, MI

#81 Nov 4, 2013
I love how they keep repeating the same mantra over and over and over and over as though if they say it enough times, it will be the truth. Of course, there is never anything to back up the drivel they spew.
James

Grand Rapids, MI

#82 Nov 4, 2013
I think you guys seem to forget that the pipester was the only one that has read word for word all 10,000 plus pages of the healthcare act and all 30,000 plus pages of all the regulations and rules/policies that go along with it. Not only did he read them, he memorized them in all his spare time while he should have been looking for a real job.

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