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free thinker

Farmington, MI

#41 Sep 26, 2013
Bob wrote:
Please try to understand that there is a difference between the Sweden your patriot butt buddy was talking about, and the Switzerland in your link......
Leave it to the short bus rider who has to wear a special helmet to prevent brain damage (psst...it didn't work) to completly ignore the point. Switzerland has the highest gun ownership of any country in the world but the lowest gun crime rates. Kinda blows your retarded little theory of 'more guns = more gun crime' out of the water, now doesn't it?
As for Sweden, it's estimated that almost 75% of the population has a gun, registered or unregistered, and yet their total gun homicide rate for 2010 was 18...or 0.19 per 100,000 people.
Tell us again how more guns = more crime? I love a good laugh.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#42 Sep 27, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>
Leave it to the short bus rider who has to wear a special helmet to prevent brain damage (psst...it didn't work) to completly ignore the point. Switzerland has the highest gun ownership of any country in the world but the lowest gun crime rates. Kinda blows your retarded little theory of 'more guns = more gun crime' out of the water, now doesn't it?
As for Sweden, it's estimated that almost 75% of the population has a gun, registered or unregistered, and yet their total gun homicide rate for 2010 was 18...or 0.19 per 100,000 people.
Tell us again how more guns = more crime? I love a good laugh.
Sorry to tell you this, but....... You've missed ALL of the points.

It probably wouldn't help for me to explain for the umpteenth times that the original idiot quoted the wrong F'ng country in his diatribe, or the fact that the rest of you knuckle draggers choose to ignore it!

It is also of no surprise that you ignore the fact that I have never said that I am anti-gun. What I am is pro-control, which simply means that the right to own your weapon of choice comes with a few responsibilities. And the countries you dolts keep bringing up are perfect examples of that idea.....

Who knew that the male population of Switzerland had no choice but to serve in that country's version of the military, and that the government issues you a gun that you don't have a choice about. Any bets that somebody there has a list of all the members of that organization, and what guns they own? Kinda like...... Gasp...... A GUN REGISTRY!!!!

It's the clueless fools that keep trying to make the point that the gun-control folks think that more guns = more crime, which is something your own retarded minds have come up with. The FACT is that the lack of effective control leads to more people who shouldn't own a gun having possession of one. And yet the NRA's Wayne LePew keeps blowing out the same tired old talking points that more people need guns, and that it is somehow unconstitutional to know who owns what..... How's that been working?

I know the thought of having to be responsible or having any other control on who gets what weapons is your worst nightmare, but I find it hilarious that you patriots are on here touting a country that has the exact laws that the NRA and it's fanatical members are constantly screaming about.

If you still need a good laugh, look in the mirror!
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Grand Blanc, MI

#43 Sep 27, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to tell you this, but....... You've missed ALL of the points.
It probably wouldn't help for me to explain for the umpteenth times that the original idiot quoted the wrong F'ng country in his diatribe, or the fact that the rest of you knuckle draggers choose to ignore it!
It is also of no surprise that you ignore the fact that I have never said that I am anti-gun. What I am is pro-control, which simply means that the right to own your weapon of choice comes with a few responsibilities. And the countries you dolts keep bringing up are perfect examples of that idea.....
Who knew that the male population of Switzerland had no choice but to serve in that country's version of the military, and that the government issues you a gun that you don't have a choice about. Any bets that somebody there has a list of all the members of that organization, and what guns they own? Kinda like...... Gasp...... A GUN REGISTRY!!!!
It's the clueless fools that keep trying to make the point that the gun-control folks think that more guns = more crime, which is something your own retarded minds have come up with. The FACT is that the lack of effective control leads to more people who shouldn't own a gun having possession of one. And yet the NRA's Wayne LePew keeps blowing out the same tired old talking points that more people need guns, and that it is somehow unconstitutional to know who owns what..... How's that been working?
I know the thought of having to be responsible or having any other control on who gets what weapons is your worst nightmare, but I find it hilarious that you patriots are on here touting a country that has the exact laws that the NRA and it's fanatical members are constantly screaming about.
If you still need a good laugh, look in the mirror!
You open your Social Studies book again...... It is wrong.... Sure you spent $240 for it but it is valueless.....
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#44 Sep 27, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to tell you this, but....... You've missed ALL of the points.
It probably wouldn't help for me to explain for the umpteenth times that the original idiot quoted the wrong F'ng country in his diatribe, or the fact that the rest of you knuckle draggers choose to ignore it!
It is also of no surprise that you ignore the fact that I have never said that I am anti-gun. What I am is pro-control, which simply means that the right to own your weapon of choice comes with a few responsibilities. And the countries you dolts keep bringing up are perfect examples of that idea.....
Who knew that the male population of Switzerland had no choice but to serve in that country's version of the military, and that the government issues you a gun that you don't have a choice about. Any bets that somebody there has a list of all the members of that organization, and what guns they own? Kinda like...... Gasp...... A GUN REGISTRY!!!!
It's the clueless fools that keep trying to make the point that the gun-control folks think that more guns = more crime, which is something your own retarded minds have come up with. The FACT is that the lack of effective control leads to more people who shouldn't own a gun having possession of one. And yet the NRA's Wayne LePew keeps blowing out the same tired old talking points that more people need guns, and that it is somehow unconstitutional to know who owns what..... How's that been working?
I know the thought of having to be responsible or having any other control on who gets what weapons is your worst nightmare, but I find it hilarious that you patriots are on here touting a country that has the exact laws that the NRA and it's fanatical members are constantly screaming about.
If you still need a good laugh, look in the mirror!
That's an excellent rant, TacoBob. Not sure where you stole it from, but it does take a factual jab at many of those arguing against increased gun control in something more than your usual spit-drooling troll manner.

If I thought for two seconds the progressives' true intent was to stop at responsible gun ownership I'd agree with them. BUT, we were told that Obamacare was not leading us into single-payer system, until Harry Reid slipped up and spilled the beans on that:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/201...

SO, if history tells us anything with this administration it's that the progressives true intent is to destroy the 2nd Amendment and their "responsible gun control" hogwash is "absolutely" a step toward taking our guns away.

Prove that this administration means what it says and says what it means , or stop making crap up and whining about people not trusting a single thing that they try to jam down we Americans' throats.

This has never been about American gun owners not wanting background checks and responsible gun ownership. It's about a valid lack of trust in the progressive radicals you morons elected, and they're radical steps to government control over every aspect of our lives.
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#45 Sep 27, 2013
Bob wrote:
it is somehow unconstitutional to know who owns what..... How's that been working?
All the guns used in the Sandy Hook shooting were registered. How'd THAT work?
We already have a myriad of laws on the books regarding guns, their ownership, their use and, last I checked, it's against the law to commit murder, but that doesn't seem to stop the criminals. More laws are not the answer...better enforcement of the laws already in place would be a good start.
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#46 Sep 27, 2013
Bob wrote:
If you still need a good laugh
Thanks, I'm good...I've been laughing at your retarded little rants since I first started reading them, TacoBob.
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#47 Sep 27, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to tell you this, but....... You've missed ALL of the points.
It probably wouldn't help for me to explain for the umpteenth times that the original idiot quoted the wrong F'ng country in his diatribe, or the fact that the rest of you knuckle draggers choose to ignore it!
It is also of no surprise that you ignore the fact that I have never said that I am anti-gun. What I am is pro-control, which simply means that the right to own your weapon of choice comes with a few responsibilities. And the countries you dolts keep bringing up are perfect examples of that idea.....
Who knew that the male population of Switzerland had no choice but to serve in that country's version of the military, and that the government issues you a gun that you don't have a choice about. Any bets that somebody there has a list of all the members of that organization, and what guns they own? Kinda like...... Gasp...... A GUN REGISTRY!!!!
It's the clueless fools that keep trying to make the point that the gun-control folks think that more guns = more crime, which is something your own retarded minds have come up with. The FACT is that the lack of effective control leads to more people who shouldn't own a gun having possession of one. And yet the NRA's Wayne LePew keeps blowing out the same tired old talking points that more people need guns, and that it is somehow unconstitutional to know who owns what..... How's that been working?
I know the thought of having to be responsible or having any other control on who gets what weapons is your worst nightmare, but I find it hilarious that you patriots are on here touting a country that has the exact laws that the NRA and it's fanatical members are constantly screaming about.
If you still need a good laugh, look in the mirror!
After all your huff'n and puff'n, you socialist Nazis will never get a gun registry here. They tried that in California back in 2001 and only 20 percent of firearms were actually brought in for the said purpose of registering them. The Nazis over at MAIG have failed and their membership is dwindling as we speak. The treasonous Eric Holder cannot say or do anything about it because he's tied to F&F. There are more so-called "assault" weapons in the hands of the American citizenry than ever before. Millions of them. I know you hate guns, so be it. I don't care. If you would feel more comfortable living in a gun-free society then I suggest you move to Europe or maybe Australia. Take you cats with you.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#48 Sep 27, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>
All the guns used in the Sandy Hook shooting were registered. How'd THAT work?
We already have a myriad of laws on the books regarding guns, their ownership, their use and, last I checked, it's against the law to commit murder, but that doesn't seem to stop the criminals. More laws are not the answer...better enforcement of the laws already in place would be a good start.
Hello free thinker...your comment about the myriad of laws is true but unfortunately there are still a myriad of loopholes. One for instance is the non-requirement of background checks when a gun is sold by a "private seller". This is happening here in Virginia at gun shows all the time. They only have to claim they do it as a hobby and are not required to follow the same guidelines as licensed retailers. Prior to 1986 they were limited to 4 firearms per year but that was changed by the Firearm Owners Protection Act which lifted that limit.
One thing that I find odd is that it is rarely noted where a criminal acquired the gun/s used in a crime. I'd think we could use those statistics to concentrate our efforts to slow the flow of guns into the hands of criminals, gangs etc etc.

Just sayin'
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#49 Sep 27, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
One thing that I find odd is that it is rarely noted where a criminal acquired the gun/s used in a crime. I'd think we could use those statistics to concentrate our efforts to slow the flow of guns into the hands of criminals, gangs etc etc.
Just sayin'
I think you will find that a great majority of weapons used in crimes in this country are either a) unregistered or b) stolen or c) both. Take a look at Sandy Hook...the guns were stolen so a background check prior to their purchase would have done nothing to prevent the crime in which they were used.
Background checks and registry don't prevent crime, either, when those that can't purchase them legally simply steal them or buy them on the black market.
I think we need to look a lot deeper than laws to find the cause of the rampant violent crime situation in this country and we would be well-served to start with taking a hard look at how our society glorifies violence in multiple venues...in some respects, one could say our society is somewhat obsessed with it. Is it such a surprise, then, when we see it acted out in our communities? We have sown the wind, and now we reap the whirlwind.
Phil

Ortonville, MI

#50 Sep 27, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>Hello free thinker...your comment about the myriad of laws is true but unfortunately there are still a myriad of loopholes. One for instance is the non-requirement of background checks when a gun is sold by a "private seller". This is happening here in Virginia at gun shows all the time. They only have to claim they do it as a hobby and are not required to follow the same guidelines as licensed retailers. Prior to 1986 they were limited to 4 firearms per year but that was changed by the Firearm Owners Protection Act which lifted that limit.
One thing that I find odd is that it is rarely noted where a criminal acquired the gun/s used in a crime. I'd think we could use those statistics to concentrate our efforts to slow the flow of guns into the hands of criminals, gangs etc etc.

Just sayin'
"One thing that I find odd is that it is rarely noted where a criminal acquired the gun/s used in a crime. I'd think we could use those statistics to concentrate our efforts to slow the flow of guns into the hands of criminals, gangs etc etc."
Vox just gave you half your answer. The rest is because those stats would be good for the NRA showing that there is no use to do anything about "private sellers laws" or gun shows. Most stats would show those gun owners are law abiding citizens and most of those gun show purchases actually do get background checks and the ones that did not most likely have CPL permits which proves they have had some training and a very thorough background check. I welcome those stats and am all for stiffer fines and penalties for people that have stolen firearms
Dr X

Rochester, MI

#51 Sep 27, 2013
Now it seems as though the anti-gun Nazis have infiltrated Michigan. No surprise from Washtenaw County where the socialists have infiltrated the University of Michigan.

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legis...
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#52 Sep 28, 2013
Wouldn't it be helpful if some of you fanatical patriots could actually go on record as to what forms of control you would agree with in regards to weapons?

Instead of doing your typical NRA/Wayne LePew imitations, maybe you'd be able to construct an original thought of your own about who should own what guns.

Aren't you tired of repeating the same old crap we've listened to for years?

Don't you find it strange that you can brag about a country like Switzerland's mandatory draft and training as a condition of owning a weapon, while at the same time saying that you don't want any restrictions on your guns?

Look at this thing. Drafted into a militia, forced into training, having the government maintain records about who you are and what gun you own, and most likely being subject to losing those rights if or when you didn't measure up.

Seeing as you're bragging about this system, is this what you want, or did we just overload that pile of mush that's between your ears?
Really

Grandville, MI

#53 Sep 28, 2013
Bob wrote:
Wouldn't it be helpful if some of you fanatical patriots could actually go on record as to what forms of control you would agree with in regards to weapons?
Instead of doing your typical NRA/Wayne LePew imitations, maybe you'd be able to construct an original thought of your own about who should own what guns.
Aren't you tired of repeating the same old crap we've listened to for years?
Don't you find it strange that you can brag about a country like Switzerland's mandatory draft and training as a condition of owning a weapon, while at the same time saying that you don't want any restrictions on your guns?
Look at this thing. Drafted into a militia, forced into training, having the government maintain records about who you are and what gun you own, and most likely being subject to losing those rights if or when you didn't measure up.
Seeing as you're bragging about this system, is this what you want, or did we just overload that pile of mush that's between your ears?
What is your solution besides taking everyone's guns away? You keep running around in circles claiming that those who agree with the 2nd amendment are against gun laws. There are a myriad of laws on the books that are NOT being enforced as we type. Sooo, tell us Bob, who would YOU allow to own guns? My Dad always used to say, "if you are not part of the solution, you are a part of the problem". So, which are you Bob? The problem or the solution? And you constant rantings about the NRA are just that, rantings. The NRA is just another lobbying group, much like your favorite Planned Parenthood group or MoveOn.org and they want to influence peddle just like George Soros and any good progressive or (before you whine again) the Chamber of Commerce.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#54 Sep 28, 2013
Bob wrote:
Aren't you tired of me repeating the same old crap you've had to listen to for years?
Yes, TacoBob ... it's become predictably boring and meaningless. About the only entertaining facet of your existence here is when you threaten to knock people off their high horses and slip in your own horseshit.

Here's your suggestion - again: You have to enforce the background check procedures that are already in place before considering adding new ones.

This Alexis nutball showed clear signs of insanity. The terrorist at Fort Hood showed clear signs of dangerous intent. They both had background checks that should have stopped them from being anywhere but in mental institutions or jail, but lo and behold they slipped through your beloved governments' notice and slaughtered innocent people.

That's not the NRA or gun owners' fault, nor is it a matter of adding more background check boxes that for inept government to ignore. It's a matter of paying attention to the existing procedures we already have in place and doing something about them.

The truth is, and you know this TacoBob, you and your radical progressive lunatics don't want to stop and increased background checks any more than you give a damn about Americans being slaughtered. Just like Harry Reid admitting Obamacare is a step toward a single-payer system, your latest fatwa against gun owners is just a step toward mutilating the 2nd amendment.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#55 Sep 28, 2013
Bob wrote:
Don't you find it strange that you can brag about a country like Switzerland's mandatory draft and training as a condition of owning a weapon, while at the same time saying that you don't want any restrictions on your guns?
You know what, BOb...I'd be willing to do the 118 days of training that the 20 year olds are required to do to have a gun in Switzerland. LOL..'mandatory draft'...dude..a male serves about a year over their whole lives in the military.
What I find strange is how libritards like yourself hold up something like this system and yet are rabidly against any kind of mandatory gun training, including use and safety, for young people claiming that somehow this will increase gun murders when we see that it has just the opposite effect.
Then again, if criminals knew that there was likely a gun behind every door they considered breaking into, most would think twice about it.
http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html
BTW...most of us have already stated multiple times what sort of controls we are in favor of. Can't help it if you're too busy slinging tacos to notice.
pipedream

West Bloomfield, MI

#56 Sep 28, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what, BOb...I'd be willing to do the 118 days of training that the 20 year olds are required to do to have a gun in Switzerland. LOL..'mandatory draft'...dude..a male serves about a year over their whole lives in the military.
What I find strange is how libritards like yourself hold up something like this system and yet are rabidly against any kind of mandatory gun training, including use and safety, for young people claiming that somehow this will increase gun murders when we see that it has just the opposite effect.
Then again, if criminals knew that there was likely a gun behind every door they considered breaking into, most would think twice about it.
http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html
BTW...most of us have already stated multiple times what sort of controls we are in favor of. Can't help it if you're too busy slinging tacos to notice.
It certainly shouldn't surprise anyone here that you would confuse the issues or compare apples to oranges, or that you logic would be completely askew in regards to the gun/crime issue, Swiss or Swedish gun laws and how they compare to the U.S.

The entire culture of the Swiss and Swedes is vastly different from that of Americans with respect to guns, crime, society etc.

Its already been pointed out that the Swiss have a well regulated militia and their military service is mandatory. Gun ownership is deeply rooted in their belief that their national survival is dependent on a militia, mandatory military service. Crime in general is lower there than it is here because of societal and cultural differences, NOT because of their gun ownership laws or the prevalence of guns ownership.

To make comparisons between Swiss gun ownership and crime to that of the U.S. makes about as much sense as comparing Earth to the moon as an alternative living space.

bomb squad

Grand Rapids, MI

#57 Sep 28, 2013
pipedream wrote:
The entire culture of the Swiss and Swedes is vastly different from that of Americans with respect to guns, crime, society etc.
Agreed...perhaps we would do well to learn something from them, don't you think? More guns do not equal more crime. We've even seen that played out here in our own country.
Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
pipedream

West Bloomfield, MI

#58 Sep 28, 2013
bomb squad wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed...perhaps we would do well to learn something from them, don't you think? More guns do not equal more crime. We've even seen that played out here in our own country.
Stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
Wrong again! You ought to study the situation before opening your big trap as usual. More guns do not equate to less crime. There's a whole host of issues, primarily having to do with societal cultures, apart from guns, their numbers, their accessibility, etc. Americans are seeped in wild west, shoot first, and this silly notion that guns of any kind and any amount is guaranteed in the Constitution. Put that in your big mouth and spoke it dip $hit. And stick to one name on here you little coward.
Jim

United States

#60 Sep 28, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong again! You ought to study the situation before opening your big trap as usual. More guns do not equate to less crime. There's a whole host of issues, primarily having to do with societal cultures, apart from guns, their numbers, their accessibility, etc. Americans are seeped in wild west, shoot first, and this silly notion that guns of any kind and any amount is guaranteed in the Constitution. Put that in your big mouth and spoke it dip $hit. And stick to one name on here you little coward.
Point is still the same no matter how you look at it and try to reason it. Everywhere there is more guns in more law abiding citizens hands the crime rate is lower than if it were the opposite. So stick that up your Rainbow a$$
pipedream

West Bloomfield, MI

#61 Sep 28, 2013
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Point is still the same no matter how you look at it and try to reason it. Everywhere there is more guns in more law abiding citizens hands the crime rate is lower than if it were the opposite. So stick that up your Rainbow a$$
You're wrong again. Get a job and then Stick it up your fat azz you ignorant little freak show.

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