One More For The Anti Gun Extremists

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Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Oxford, MI

#1 Feb 1, 2013
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#2 Feb 1, 2013
"A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

Multiple shots were fired in the courtyard of Price Middle School just south of downtown around 1:50 p.m. and the one boy was hit, Atlanta Police Chief George Turner said. In the aftermath, a teacher received minor cuts, he said."

Yup, a fine example of how an armed guard stopped this kid right after he had shot multiple times....... Any guess on what the results would have been if the shooter had better aim?

We won't even bother to ask how a child got a gun to begin with, or how he got on the school's property with it.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Oxford, MI

#3 Feb 1, 2013
Bob wrote:
"A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.
Multiple shots were fired in the courtyard of Price Middle School just south of downtown around 1:50 p.m. and the one boy was hit, Atlanta Police Chief George Turner said. In the aftermath, a teacher received minor cuts, he said."
Yup, a fine example of how an armed guard stopped this kid right after he had shot multiple times....... Any guess on what the results would have been if the shooter had better aim?
We won't even bother to ask how a child got a gun to begin with, or how he got on the school's property with it.
First, the teacher was trampled by fleeing students...... Second, dozens of students were not killed this time...... Third, the kid broke laws already in existence...... What would new ones do for the Country??? Yup, a fine example of how gun laws stopped this kid from firing in a "No Gun Zone"..... Way to keep you kids safe......
Working stiff

Wayland, MI

#4 Feb 1, 2013
Good thing the safety officer stopped him when he did. I wonder how many more children would have been shot. At least most schools here in west Michigan already have armed safety officers in them. Where did the kid get the gun? Parent or street?
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Feb 1, 2013
Bob wrote:
Any guess on what the results would have been if the shooter had better aim?
Any guesses on how many he would have been able to kill had the armed guard not been there to disarm him and he had more time to take better aim?
How about you tell the class what new law you think would have prevented this kid from coming into a 'gun free zone' with a gun and firing it at his teachers and classmates?
How about you explain to the class why people think it's fine and good to protect our presidents, senators, congressmen and women, other assorted 'important' people, banks, airports, etc...with guns but when it comes to protecting our most vulnerable citizens, our children, we protect them with a sign that says,'gun free zone'?
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#6 Feb 1, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>First, the teacher was trampled by fleeing students...... Second, dozens of students were not killed this time...... Third, the kid broke laws already in existence...... What would new ones do for the Country??? Yup, a fine example of how gun laws stopped this kid from firing in a "No Gun Zone"..... Way to keep you kids safe......
First, this child broke existing gun laws. Perhaps if there were gun laws that worked he wouldn't have been able to get his hands on that gun. Instead of the NRA's "If at first you don't succeed, just buy a bigger gun" argument, don't you think life is precious enough to deserve the effort to come up with laws that do work?

Second, the kid got off multiple shots before the armed guard wrestled him down. I'd think luck had more to do with the small body count than a prompt response was... Wasn't it the NRA who said that armed guards would STOP THE SHOOTING? I guess they meant after the shooter ran out of bullets!
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#7 Feb 1, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
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Any guesses on how many he would have been able to kill had the armed guard not been there to disarm him and he had more time to take better aim?
How about you tell the class what new law you think would have prevented this kid from coming into a 'gun free zone' with a gun and firing it at his teachers and classmates?
How about you explain to the class why people think it's fine and good to protect our presidents, senators, congressmen and women, other assorted 'important' people, banks, airports, etc...with guns but when it comes to protecting our most vulnerable citizens, our children, we protect them with a sign that says,'gun free zone'?
Why don't you explain how we won't have any other shootings when everyone is carrying a gun?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Oxford, MI

#8 Feb 1, 2013
Bob wrote:
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First, this child broke existing gun laws. Perhaps if there were gun laws that worked he wouldn't have been able to get his hands on that gun. Instead of the NRA's "If at first you don't succeed, just buy a bigger gun" argument, don't you think life is precious enough to deserve the effort to come up with laws that do work?
Second, the kid got off multiple shots before the armed guard wrestled him down. I'd think luck had more to do with the small body count than a prompt response was... Wasn't it the NRA who said that armed guards would STOP THE SHOOTING? I guess they meant after the shooter ran out of bullets!
Let's see..... Child was at an age where he can't buy the weapon or the ammo.... He did not have a conceal carry permit..... He was in a Gun Free Zone.... NRA, never heard that statement in the context you are presenting..... Precious life..... Millions of American's are killed through abortion and we will never find out their potential.... It is always luck when a criminal is brought down because they need to succeed once........ If you were in the Military you would know that...... If you were, what was your MOS?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Oxford, MI

#9 Feb 1, 2013
Bob wrote:
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Why don't you explain how we won't have any other shootings when everyone is carrying a gun?
The only shooting will be for self defense and you will see a decrease in crime quickly...... It has been shown...... Just like lowering taxes increases revenue to the Treasury.....
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#10 Feb 1, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Let's see..... Child was at an age where he can't buy the weapon or the ammo.... He did not have a conceal carry permit..... He was in a Gun Free Zone.... NRA, never heard that statement in the context you are presenting..... Precious life..... Millions of American's are killed through abortion and we will never find out their potential.... It is always luck when a criminal is brought down because they need to succeed once........ If you were in the Military you would know that...... If you were, what was your MOS?
Cirlce talk.......

The weapon this child used should never have gotten into his hands. Why isn't there a law that says the person who the gun was registered to had the responsbility to keep it out of this kid's hands?

Don't you think the owner of this weapon bares some of the blame?

Field 21E
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#11 Feb 1, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>The only shooting will be for self defense and you will see a decrease in crime quickly...... It has been shown...... Just like lowering taxes increases revenue to the Treasury.....
It has been shown...... Prove It!
St Stephen

Grand Rapids, MI

#12 Feb 1, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Let's see..... Child was at an age where he can't buy the weapon or the ammo.... He did not have a conceal carry permit..... He was in a Gun Free Zone.... NRA, never heard that statement in the context you are presenting..... Precious life..... Millions of American's are killed through abortion and we will never find out their potential.... It is always luck when a criminal is brought down because they need to succeed once........ If you were in the Military you would know that...... If you were, what was your MOS?
Typical extremist right wing conservative.

The glob of cells known as a fetus is precious and worthy of protection but as soon as you are squeezed out your life is less important than my right to carry an AR-15.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Oxford, MI

#13 Feb 1, 2013
Bob wrote:
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Cirlce talk.......
The weapon this child used should never have gotten into his hands. Why isn't there a law that says the person who the gun was registered to had the responsbility to keep it out of this kid's hands?
Don't you think the owner of this weapon bares some of the blame?
Field 21E
First you need to establish where the gun came from and how it was obtained....... If it was stolen then the real owner has no blame.... If it came from his parent then yes there would be an assessment of the parent storage method..... No circle talk, just the facts with no emotion......
St Stephen

Grand Rapids, MI

#14 Feb 1, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>First you need to establish where the gun came from and how it was obtained....... If it was stolen then the real owner has no blame.... If it came from his parent then yes there would be an assessment of the parent storage method..... No circle talk, just the facts with no emotion......
And how about more than a slap on the wrist and a fine for "poor parent storage"? How about a prison term? If you want to be treated like a responsible gun owner then BE a responsible gun owner, or pay a hefty price. Of course the NRA is against that too claiming it's an assault on the constitution.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#15 Feb 1, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>First you need to establish where the gun came from and how it was obtained....... If it was stolen then the real owner has no blame.... If it came from his parent then yes there would be an assessment of the parent storage method..... No circle talk, just the facts with no emotion......
"just the facts with no emotion"...the kid got a hold of a gun took it into the school and started shooting. Everything else is ancillary.

You want just the facts with no emotion Batch there it is.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#16 Feb 1, 2013
And the justification that an armed guard disarmed the shooter? He was OFF-DUTY and at the school. One would rationally wonder what would have happened if the officer wasn't at the school....as he was off-duty.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#17 Feb 1, 2013
St Stephen wrote:
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And how about more than a slap on the wrist and a fine for "poor parent storage"? How about a prison term? If you want to be treated like a responsible gun owner then BE a responsible gun owner, or pay a hefty price. Of course the NRA is against that too claiming it's an assault on the constitution.
The NRA could claim all they want about it being an assault on the Constitution; they'd be dead wrong.

Taking the position of a devil's advocate for the right-wing: Don't bother disarming the student, kill him outright. He obviously knew what the gun would do, acted on it...sooo...
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#18 Feb 1, 2013
St Stephen wrote:
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Typical extremist right wing conservative.
The glob of cells known as a fetus is precious and worthy of protection but as soon as you are squeezed out your life is less important than my right to carry an AR-15.
Gotta wonder about that don't ya...

Maybe the hidden agenda is to keep a full supply of random targets available.

Just importantly is it defies rationale to protect an unborn so fervently for what? So they can very possibly struggle and fail all of their lives to make it where all their pre-life protectors believe they should make it to all on their own? Maybe just to keep a full supply of worker-bees. It certainly is NOT from a moralistic perspective because there obviously is some ulterior motive for after they are born. They don't give a crap about them afterward.

But then I digress.
Troll Hunter

Grand Rapids, MI

#19 Feb 1, 2013
The obvious solution to this problem is tax cuts for the 1%.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Oxford, MI

#20 Feb 1, 2013
St Stephen wrote:
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And how about more than a slap on the wrist and a fine for "poor parent storage"? How about a prison term? If you want to be treated like a responsible gun owner then BE a responsible gun owner, or pay a hefty price. Of course the NRA is against that too claiming it's an assault on the constitution.
I don't disagree with that if they were neglectful.

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