Want a beer? Vote 'no' to say yes

David Johnson remembers how it used to be in Ottawa County. "They would buy their beer during the week and drink it, if they want to drink it on the weekend in the garage or in the basement." Johnson, who lives ... Full Story
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Benjamin

Bethesda, MD

#64 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
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The law in Ottawa County is what it is. That is the issue of discussion.
And I can see where your argument is coming from...but the specific issue on this forum is the alcohol ban in Ottawa County and whether it should be changed.
And my whole purpose on this thread is to illustrate the irrational "arguments" for why it should be legal to buy beer in Ottawa County on Sunday.
Must society as a whole be drug down to the lowest level entirely, or is it reasonable that certain communities stand their ground and keep the community standards in place?
I have been the devils advocate in all of this and it has been quite fun actually.
You are a contradiction to your own argument. The issue is, as you say, the right to purchase alcohol on Sunday in Ottawa county. That's the only issue.

Where children and family come into this is not the issue. The alcohol ban is.

Your personal problems with your family (brother) and silly name calling have nothing to do with this.

My guess is back when you say you did drink, you abused it and apparently have some bad memories. To bad you have never been around "adults" who drink responsibly and don't have anything to prove.

I have lived in "dry" and "not dry" areas and there was no higher or lower level of family problems on Sunday because of it.
Benjamin

Bethesda, MD

#65 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
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Based on all of your arguments you are posting...seems the Loser's Kool-Aide is showing bright.
It simply impresses me on how "adult" people are because they need their mind altering good time juice.
I really don't care what people do or don't do on their own. But it seems that you who insist on having the "adult" beverages at your disposal for every moment of life don't bother to take into consideration what the rest of your faimly, especially the kids, deal with, are affected by, are influenced by your selfish need to act grown up.
The longer this thread goes, the more I am glad I put this immaturity behind me and actually did grow up and realized that life isn't about getting drunk or looking cool because I have a Bud Light in my hand.
I'm just not so blinded by my own selfish habit that I am able to look at the bigger picture and how it really does impact everyone around me.
Based on your non-response to any of my questions I'd say you have no point to make.

Since you "don't care what people do on their own" then why are you babbeling your self rightous crap.

Apparently, you had a drinking problem and by the way you describe your brother, it must run in the family.
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#66 Nov 3, 2008
Benjamin wrote:
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Based on your non-response to any of my questions I'd say you have no point to make.
Since you "don't care what people do on their own" then why are you babbeling your self rightous crap.
Apparently, you had a drinking problem and by the way you describe your brother, it must run in the family.
Self rightous crap? Seems that my comments are under your skin...which is just perfect. Any time someone wants to call another self rightous, the problem is not with the self rightous one, but actually within the person calling the other self rightous.

It is obvious that I have touched nerves on several of you. My words are causing you to look inward at your own actions and simply cannot handle that.

I love it. I came here to stir the pot and I have done exactly that. Those of you know have to have your beer and liquor on a regular basis (and for some of you, even to the point to excess) don't like it when someone shines light into the corners to see what can be found.

The voters will have the final say tomorrow. If it passes, it passes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But the voters will have their say and that is what matters most.

See ya at the polls. Good day now.
TedNugent

United States

#67 Nov 3, 2008
stop wrote:
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How can you be a business owner and not at least care about the increased revenue from added Sunday sales? It must be lonely up on your pedestal. If it is that big a problem for you, sell the store, stop owning a liquor store and go and run a charity.
Besides, your argument is invalid. I could go to Applebee's and purchase 10 shots of whiskey on Sunday, so why not a beer? It is a STUPID LAW!
On my pedestal? I simply stated my opinion and why I was against it. I said nothing about being above those who were for it.

And as for telling me I should sell my business? Pony up the money and you can be open 7 days a week. This will pass, I have no doubt. So you will have to bring about another 15% to the table after Tuesday.

Some things are more important than money. It is just that few people care anymore.
Benjamin

Bethesda, MD

#68 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
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Self rightous crap? Seems that my comments are under your skin...which is just perfect. Any time someone wants to call another self rightous, the problem is not with the self rightous one, but actually within the person calling the other self rightous.
It is obvious that I have touched nerves on several of you. My words are causing you to look inward at your own actions and simply cannot handle that.
I love it. I came here to stir the pot and I have done exactly that. Those of you know have to have your beer and liquor on a regular basis (and for some of you, even to the point to excess) don't like it when someone shines light into the corners to see what can be found.
The voters will have the final say tomorrow. If it passes, it passes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But the voters will have their say and that is what matters most.
See ya at the polls. Good day now.
Under my skin??...not hardly. You don't answer any questions so you're not under my skin...sorry.

Actually, when someone calls someone the name they were just called it means they are on the defensive and don't know what to say or how to respond.

Wish I still lived in Michigan so I could vote no on this one.

Benjamin

Bethesda, MD

#69 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
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Self rightous crap? Seems that my comments are under your skin...which is just perfect. Any time someone wants to call another self rightous, the problem is not with the self rightous one, but actually within the person calling the other self rightous.
It is obvious that I have touched nerves on several of you. My words are causing you to look inward at your own actions and simply cannot handle that.
I love it. I came here to stir the pot and I have done exactly that. Those of you know have to have your beer and liquor on a regular basis (and for some of you, even to the point to excess) don't like it when someone shines light into the corners to see what can be found.
The voters will have the final say tomorrow. If it passes, it passes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But the voters will have their say and that is what matters most.
See ya at the polls. Good day now.
FYI...
self-right·eous (slfrchs)
adj.
1. Piously sure of one's own righteousness; moralistic.
2. Thinking oneself more virtuous than others

Re-read your earlier posts. This has you written all over it...sorry.

“Freedom Fighter”

Since: Oct 08

Brookfield, WI

#70 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
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So you are equating beer to liberty? WOW! Revisionist thinking at its finest on display right there.
This most certainly is a matter of Liberty.
Why don't you make a list of all of the other moral standards that you would like to see imposed upon American citizens and we can discuss those as well?
Voice of Reason

United States

#71 Nov 3, 2008
Everyone keeps talking about alcohol sales on sunday.

The proposal is for beer and wine sales on sunday.

As it is right now you can drink whiskey or any type of liquor on sunday in ottawa county restaurants, just not beer or wine.

How stupid is that you can drink whiskey but not beer or a glass of wine with your meal!

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#72 Nov 3, 2008
libertarian girl wrote:
<quoted text>This most certainly is a matter of Liberty.
Why don't you make a list of all of the other moral standards that you would like to see imposed upon American citizens and we can discuss those as well?
Well said...

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#73 Nov 3, 2008
Voice of Reason wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about alcohol sales on sunday.
The proposal is for beer and wine sales on sunday.
As it is right now you can drink whiskey or any type of liquor on sunday in ottawa county restaurants, just not beer or wine.
How stupid is that you can drink whiskey but not beer or a glass of wine with your meal!
My thinking is that the "loser koolaid" guy will have some moral, righteous, do gooder, family value to put forward.

I remember when Macatawa Bay Yaght Club realized the loop hole and exercised it...

“So what!!”

Since: Apr 08

Lakeview, Mi.

#74 Nov 4, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
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Based on all of your arguments you are posting...seems the Loser's Kool-Aide is showing bright.
It simply impresses me on how "adult" people are because they need their mind altering good time juice.
I really don't care what people do or don't do on their own. But it seems that you who insist on having the "adult" beverages at your disposal for every moment of life don't bother to take into consideration what the rest of your faimly, especially the kids, deal with, are affected by, are influenced by your selfish need to act grown up.
The longer this thread goes, the more I am glad I put this immaturity behind me and actually did grow up and realized that life isn't about getting drunk or looking cool because I have a Bud Light in my hand.
I'm just not so blinded by my own selfish habit that I am able to look at the bigger picture and how it really does impact everyone around me.
And here I thought Nobama was the Messiah. LOL

“So what!!”

Since: Apr 08

Lakeview, Mi.

#75 Nov 4, 2008
Benjamin wrote:
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FYI...
self-right·eous (slfrchs)
adj.
1. Piously sure of one's own righteousness; moralistic.
2. Thinking oneself more virtuous than others
Re-read your earlier posts. This has you written all over it...sorry.
I believe you are correct.
TedNugent

Grand Rapids, MI

#76 Nov 4, 2008
Doesn't matter what anyone thinks, it is going to pass. I guarantee it.
person

Holland, MI

#77 Nov 4, 2008
I'll tell you now that the stores in Saugatuck are mad as hell right about now.
Hmm

Hudsonville, MI

#78 Nov 4, 2008
Anyone wondering why you can vote on this at 18, but can't take advantage of it until 21?

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