Want a beer? Vote 'no' to say yes

Want a beer? Vote 'no' to say yes

There are 75 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Oct 31, 2008, titled Want a beer? Vote 'no' to say yes. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

David Johnson remembers how it used to be in Ottawa County. "They would buy their beer during the week and drink it, if they want to drink it on the weekend in the garage or in the basement." Johnson, who lives ...

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strong woman

Coopersville, MI

#44 Nov 2, 2008
TedNugent wrote:
I own a liquor store in Ottawa county.
I am not in favor of Sunday sales, even though the resale value of my store will instantly increase significantly if this proposal passes.
I grew up in Hudsonville, and have watched as the town has turned from a family-oriented quiet city into another carbon copy suburb. People moved here for the family atmosphere, quiet Sundays, and safe community. Now it has lost its former identity, and Sunday sales is the last thing on the list.
Regardless of you religion, or lack thereof, it is a fact that Sundays were different in this community, and no longer are. Money apparently talks the loudest these days.
It is not very hard to buy alcohol on Saturday instead of Sunday (take-out), but I guess it is all about convenience.
I am sad to see the identity that has grown and prospered this community all but disappear.
Don't tell me, you're the owner of the Port Sheldon Party store? Right?

Why wax philosophical about the family values of Hudsonville when you have chosen to open an establishment that sells liquor to that community.

Why do you only care about family values on Sundays?

How about caring about families all the time. If you are so bent on the destructive nature of liquor, then you are in the wrong business.

Union All The Way

“So what!!”

Since: Apr 08

Lakeview, Mi.

#45 Nov 2, 2008
baseball wrote:
<quoted text>
A NO vote is to approve the Sunday sale of beer and wine.
My mind is made up.
Ok. Sounds good.

“Be your own hero.”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#46 Nov 2, 2008
Losers KoolAid wrote:
I fail to understand why it is that in every portion of life, people who must consume "Losers Kool-Aide."
You go to the ball park...Berlin Raceway...the Van Andel Arena...DeVos Place. Go to the County Fairs...the list goes on.
No matter where you go, the demand for Losers Kool-Aide is thought of as a Constitutional Right.
Oh...and before anyone jumps on me for being a non-drinker. I consumed more then my fair share in my younger years. I wasn't a drunk, but I knew how to put them down, trust me. I have not touched a single drop of alcohol since 1993 and it was by my own decision that I stopped.
Alcohol does NOT add anything to a person's quality of life...but it sure destroys a lot of it, thus the term LOSER'S KOOL-AID.
Broken families, drunk drivers, domestic violence, job losses, the list goes on.
Tell me...what positive thing can come from allowing this in Ottawa County and don't say "the business' are losing business and the county is losing the tax revenue." I want to know what positive thing can come from allowing alcohol sales on Sunday in Ottawa County for the FAMILIES of Ottawa County.
Elephant ears and corn dogs don't seem to add anything to a person's quality of life either, but man, you've just got to have them once in a while. And just like alcohol, abuse the fat and grease and it will come back to bite you.

You can buy elephant ears and corn dogs on Sunday, right?(That's a joke, people.)
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#47 Nov 3, 2008
stop wrote:
<quoted text>
I stand corrected. There are two people on the pedestal.
Losers Kool-Aid. Did you think that one up yourself? How original...
Seems I struck a nerve there bud...

Are you a Democrat? You didn't answer my question.
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#48 Nov 3, 2008
stop wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you be a business owner and not at least care about the increased revenue from added Sunday sales? It must be lonely up on your pedestal. If it is that big a problem for you, sell the store, stop owning a liquor store and go and run a charity.
Besides, your argument is invalid. I could go to Applebee's and purchase 10 shots of whiskey on Sunday, so why not a beer? It is a STUPID LAW!
Shocking, isn't it. A business owner who ISN'T putting profits first. Clearly a concept you cannot understand.
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#49 Nov 3, 2008
Several of you have taken your jabs, but not a single one of you have answered my question. What postive benefits will there be for the FAMILIES of Ottawa County should this pass?

I have listed several things that support my "Loser's Kool-Aide" stance.
Losers KoolAid wrote:
I fail to understand why it is that in every portion of life, people who must consume "Losers Kool-Aide."
You go to the ball park...Berlin Raceway...the Van Andel Arena...DeVos Place. Go to the County Fairs...the list goes on.
No matter where you go, the demand for Losers Kool-Aide is thought of as a Constitutional Right.
Oh...and before anyone jumps on me for being a non-drinker. I consumed more then my fair share in my younger years. I wasn't a drunk, but I knew how to put them down, trust me. I have not touched a single drop of alcohol since 1993 and it was by my own decision that I stopped.
Alcohol does NOT add anything to a person's quality of life...but it sure destroys a lot of it, thus the term LOSER'S KOOL-AID.
Broken families, drunk drivers, domestic violence, job losses, the list goes on.
Tell me...what positive thing can come from allowing this in Ottawa County and don't say "the business' are losing business and the county is losing the tax revenue." I want to know what positive thing can come from allowing alcohol sales on Sunday in Ottawa County for the FAMILIES of Ottawa County.

“The state with the other UofM.”

Since: Sep 08

Boston, MA

#50 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
Several of you have taken your jabs, but not a single one of you have answered my question. What postive benefits will there be for the FAMILIES of Ottawa County should this pass?
I have listed several things that support my "Loser's Kool-Aide" stance.
<quoted text>
I'll toss this idea out there... they won't have to drive as far to get a bottle of wine to go with sunday dinner. Might sound like a wise-crack, but honestly, if it saved me from driving 30 minutes to get a bottle of wine, then I'd be in favor of this. Sounds selfish, but you'll get that type of answer from others as well.
ajj

Pueblo, CO

#51 Nov 3, 2008
CHAD wrote:
<quoted text>Do you eat hot wings?
kaboobie??

Union All The Way

“So what!!”

Since: Apr 08

Lakeview, Mi.

#52 Nov 3, 2008
Doc Boston wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll toss this idea out there... they won't have to drive as far to get a bottle of wine to go with sunday dinner. Might sound like a wise-crack, but honestly, if it saved me from driving 30 minutes to get a bottle of wine, then I'd be in favor of this. Sounds selfish, but you'll get that type of answer from others as well.
Yep. And just because you don't drink stop trying to say if you do you are evil.

“Freedom Fighter”

Since: Oct 08

Brookfield, WI

#53 Nov 3, 2008
Ottawa County residents in favor of Sunday beer and wine sales -- PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE remind other residents to vote NO if they are in support also. The wording will confuse some voters so please do your part to help. Tell everyone in the county you talk to today and tomorrow - Vote NO to approve Sunday beer and wine sales. Thanks!
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#54 Nov 3, 2008
Doc Boston wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll toss this idea out there... they won't have to drive as far to get a bottle of wine to go with sunday dinner. Might sound like a wise-crack, but honestly, if it saved me from driving 30 minutes to get a bottle of wine, then I'd be in favor of this. Sounds selfish, but you'll get that type of answer from others as well.
That's a respectable argument.
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#55 Nov 3, 2008
Union All The Way wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. And just because you don't drink stop trying to say if you do you are evil.
I NEVER said its evil. In fact, I DID SAY that in my day, I put many a bottle of beer to death.

What I AM SAYING is will the selling and therefore ability to purchase alcohol on Sunday...closer to home...ADD TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE of the families in Ottawa County?

I happen to KNOW it will NOT. For every RESPONSIBLE adult, there are several who ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE. And it is to their families I express my concern.

In fact...my very own brother falls into the NOT responsible catagory. And I see what the "QUALITY of life" issues are first hand.

That is all I am saying. Think beyond yourself.

“Freedom Fighter”

Since: Oct 08

Brookfield, WI

#56 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
<quoted text>
I NEVER said its evil. In fact, I DID SAY that in my day, I put many a bottle of beer to death.
What I AM SAYING is will the selling and therefore ability to purchase alcohol on Sunday...closer to home...ADD TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE of the families in Ottawa County?
I happen to KNOW it will NOT. For every RESPONSIBLE adult, there are several who ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE. And it is to their families I express my concern.
In fact...my very own brother falls into the NOT responsible catagory. And I see what the "QUALITY of life" issues are first hand.
That is all I am saying. Think beyond yourself.
I think that restoring liberty is the best way to add to the "Quality of Life" for any American.
Earl Deetz

Grand Rapids, MI

#57 Nov 3, 2008
The ballot language is absurd and violates a primary rule of official action: Do not state positives in the negative.
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#58 Nov 3, 2008
libertarian girl wrote:
<quoted text>I think that restoring liberty is the best way to add to the "Quality of Life" for any American.
So you are equating beer to liberty? WOW! Revisionist thinking at its finest on display right there.
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#59 Nov 3, 2008
Earl Deetz wrote:
The ballot language is absurd and violates a primary rule of official action: Do not state positives in the negative.
And I agree with you on that. This proposal is purposely worded to confuse. And that is wrong. But, it also happens in almost every election that have proposals on the ballot.

The question should be simply stated in plain English.
Benjamin

Washington, DC

#60 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
<quoted text>
I NEVER said its evil. In fact, I DID SAY that in my day, I put many a bottle of beer to death.
What I AM SAYING is will the selling and therefore ability to purchase alcohol on Sunday...closer to home...ADD TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE of the families in Ottawa County?
I happen to KNOW it will NOT. For every RESPONSIBLE adult, there are several who ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE. And it is to their families I express my concern.
In fact...my very own brother falls into the NOT responsible catagory. And I see what the "QUALITY of life" issues are first hand.
That is all I am saying. Think beyond yourself.
So what you are saying is everyone should weigh their vote based on your brother???

Or all responsible people should be punished because of the irresponsible ones??

And all families will for ever suffer because beer and wine can be bought on sunday???

Not very rational thinking...
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#61 Nov 3, 2008
Benjamin wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you are saying is everyone should weigh their vote based on your brother???
Or all responsible people should be punished because of the irresponsible ones??
And all families will for ever suffer because beer and wine can be bought on sunday???
Not very rational thinking...
Based on all of your arguments you are posting...seems the Loser's Kool-Aide is showing bright.

It simply impresses me on how "adult" people are because they need their mind altering good time juice.

I really don't care what people do or don't do on their own. But it seems that you who insist on having the "adult" beverages at your disposal for every moment of life don't bother to take into consideration what the rest of your faimly, especially the kids, deal with, are affected by, are influenced by your selfish need to act grown up.

The longer this thread goes, the more I am glad I put this immaturity behind me and actually did grow up and realized that life isn't about getting drunk or looking cool because I have a Bud Light in my hand.

I'm just not so blinded by my own selfish habit that I am able to look at the bigger picture and how it really does impact everyone around me.
within reason

Carmel, IN

#62 Nov 3, 2008
Losers KoolAide wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on all of your arguments you are posting...seems the Loser's Kool-Aide is showing bright.
It simply impresses me on how "adult" people are because they need their mind altering good time juice.
I really don't care what people do or don't do on their own. But it seems that you who insist on having the "adult" beverages at your disposal for every moment of life don't bother to take into consideration what the rest of your faimly, especially the kids, deal with, are affected by, are influenced by your selfish need to act grown up.
The longer this thread goes, the more I am glad I put this immaturity behind me and actually did grow up and realized that life isn't about getting drunk or looking cool because I have a Bud Light in my hand.
I'm just not so blinded by my own selfish habit that I am able to look at the bigger picture and how it really does impact everyone around me.
I am not in total disagreement with you, LKA. But...

Burger King and other fattening crud leads to heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, etc. and is more of a killer and a detriment to "families", who by the way, are becoming increasingly FAT nowadays, so should greasy burgers be banned on Sundays too? That would be outrageous.

Car crashes cause pain to families more than anything, no driving on Sunday, now, ya hear?

The point is, there are lots of things that can harm families, but the the choice to choose is what is important. If I choose to have a beer on Sunday, that's MY prerogative and not the responsibility of the government to tell me if it OK to do or not.
Losers KoolAide

Grand Rapids, MI

#63 Nov 3, 2008
within reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not in total disagreement with you, LKA. But...
Burger King and other fattening crud leads to heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, etc. and is more of a killer and a detriment to "families", who by the way, are becoming increasingly FAT nowadays, so should greasy burgers be banned on Sundays too? That would be outrageous.
Car crashes cause pain to families more than anything, no driving on Sunday, now, ya hear?
The point is, there are lots of things that can harm families, but the the choice to choose is what is important. If I choose to have a beer on Sunday, that's MY prerogative and not the responsibility of the government to tell me if it OK to do or not.
The law in Ottawa County is what it is. That is the issue of discussion.

And I can see where your argument is coming from...but the specific issue on this forum is the alcohol ban in Ottawa County and whether it should be changed.

And my whole purpose on this thread is to illustrate the irrational "arguments" for why it should be legal to buy beer in Ottawa County on Sunday.

Must society as a whole be drug down to the lowest level entirely, or is it reasonable that certain communities stand their ground and keep the community standards in place?

I have been the devils advocate in all of this and it has been quite fun actually.

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