Want a beer? Vote 'no' to say yes

Want a beer? Vote 'no' to say yes

There are 75 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Oct 31, 2008, titled Want a beer? Vote 'no' to say yes. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

David Johnson remembers how it used to be in Ottawa County. "They would buy their beer during the week and drink it, if they want to drink it on the weekend in the garage or in the basement." Johnson, who lives ...

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CHAD

Grand Rapids, MI

#24 Nov 1, 2008
Union All The Way wrote:
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A? Never had A beer in my life.
LOL!
CHAD

Grand Rapids, MI

#25 Nov 1, 2008
free beer wrote:
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It wouldn't matter if they sold alcohol 24/7.
X-amount of people will still drink and drive, no matter what laws there are or what hours the alcohol is being sold.
Thankfully, some people have been deterred by the laws.
You could mandate selling alcohol for only 1 hour per week, and those people would stock up a weeks worth of alcohol to "get them through" until they could buy again.
Legislature has never negated "stupidity".
Unfortunately, when a community prohibits the sale of alcohol, lets say on Sunday, the drinkers have further to travel (possibly drunk) to get home.
So it seems logical to have no bans on alcohol sales - period.
BTW, I don't drink alcohol, so don't think I'm biased for that reason.
Do you eat hot wings?
Sunshine Girl

Holland, MI

#26 Nov 1, 2008
Michelle wrote:
<quoted text>A beer (or wine) or two with dinner does not a drunk make.
Exactly!
WTF

United States

#27 Nov 1, 2008
People should be able to buy beer/wine whenever they want it. Nothing pisses me off more than to go to the store on a Sunday am--when we usually shop--and to take the time selecting a good wine to enjoy with dinner then to have to put it back at the register because it's some BS holy day. I'm not religious. I am not even 'Christian,' I am agnostic. Why in the hell should I have to abide by these rules? Sunday is just another weekday to me.

Since: Jul 08

Mulberry, FL

#28 Nov 1, 2008
They'll keep putting the ballot on the table til it passes. Just as well get the inevitable over with.
Wellington

United States

#29 Nov 1, 2008
What The wrote:
Its funny how they ban smokers from smoking everywhere anymore cus the smoke causes cancer and kills people over years but we continue to contribute to drunks who get behind the wheel and can kill in one night i cant ever understand the rules that are made.
AMEN! BRILLIANT!

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#30 Nov 1, 2008
Anyone ever heard of the "Dutch Cooler"???

The name originates from the Holland, Zeeland area.
holland

United States

#31 Nov 1, 2008
beer wrote:
<quoted text> Blowme
Hey, here is some intelligent discourse. Have another Budweiser. Cindy McCain needs the money.
holland

United States

#32 Nov 1, 2008
libertarian girl wrote:
<quoted text>Jessica, If you would have read the article you would understand that the basis for this proposal is economic. So I wouldn't exactly call it a waste of time to put forth effort toward improving the economy...
Casinos & alcohol really do not improve the economy. As a public school teacher I can tell you that alcohol has ruined many families. All of us, non drinkers included, end up paying for it when the child ends up homeless, in Special Education, getting school social work, etc. Family breaks up & kids have to go on Medicaid. Have an aunt who is a parole officer in Lansing. She says 70% of her cases involve drugs or alcohol. Someone under the influence plows into one of your loved ones innocently driving on the road & takes a life. Big cost involved. We can't ban it to be sure. Tried that & it did indeed fail, but alcohol abuse does cost the American economy lots of money annually. Some make money from it. Others, the taxpayers, end up paying for it. Let's focus on more productive ways to reinvigorate the MI economy. Casinos & booze have too many hidden costs.
Steel Venom

Kalamazoo, MI

#33 Nov 1, 2008
... Here's my view: If you can't wait one more day... check into A.A
Hollander

Canton, MI

#34 Nov 2, 2008
David wrote:
What is up with this ballot language? Why can't they word these to be clear and concise??? I can see both sides of the of the store. I do feel such a low is out of date with the times. On the other hand, it is nice to keep good hometown values.
I think that by law they have to word the ballot proposal that way so that those in favor must vote "no". That's what they told me when I signed the petition to get it on the ballot.
strong woman

Coopersville, MI

#35 Nov 2, 2008
holland wrote:
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Casinos & alcohol really do not improve the economy. As a public school teacher I can tell you that alcohol has ruined many families. All of us, non drinkers included, end up paying for it when the child ends up homeless, in Special Education, getting school social work, etc. Family breaks up & kids have to go on Medicaid. Have an aunt who is a parole officer in Lansing. She says 70% of her cases involve drugs or alcohol. Someone under the influence plows into one of your loved ones innocently driving on the road & takes a life. Big cost involved. We can't ban it to be sure. Tried that & it did indeed fail, but alcohol abuse does cost the American economy lots of money annually. Some make money from it. Others, the taxpayers, end up paying for it. Let's focus on more productive ways to reinvigorate the MI economy. Casinos & booze have too many hidden costs.
It's not a matter of safety, and teaching doesn't qualify you as an expert...you seem to be citing your position to put yourself above others. Lame tactic for one.

As a teacher, you should want your students to experience all the freedoms of life. I am not saying that you should hope that they drink, but you should hope that they are allowed their rights.

This is an archaic law that sets aside a day for religious purposes. But what about other religions, where Sunday is not the Sabbath? What about the self-control of people? If you think that people should not drink on Sunday...then don't. Why would you need a law to monitor the self-control of the faithful?

When I was running petitions for this proposal, I talked about the limitation of freedoms, and how I believed that was the issue. I personally do not dig guns. I would never own a gun myself, and really see no purpose for many of the weapons that people choose to own. But I would NEVER place my name on a petition that limits someone's freedom to do something. Even if it doesn't jive with my way of thinking.

And how do you bring casinos into this? Man, I cannot wait for the casinos to come in, because it will create jobs. And frankly, my students prosper best when their families have thier basic needs taken care of.

“Just be you. ”

Since: May 08

Muskegon,MI

#36 Nov 2, 2008
I think as ADULTS we should be able to choose when we buy alcohol....

This Sunday ban should be lifted. Just because beer/wine will be sold on Sundays does not mean the world will fall apart.

There will always be irresponsible people, but they were already irresposible M-Sat. adding Sunday will NOT change a thing.

I will vote NO.
Sunday beer OK

Salt Lake City, UT

#37 Nov 2, 2008
strong woman wrote:
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It's not a matter of safety, and teaching doesn't qualify you as an expert...you seem to be citing your position to put yourself above others. Lame tactic for one.
As a teacher, you should want your students to experience all the freedoms of life. I am not saying that you should hope that they drink, but you should hope that they are allowed their rights.
This is an archaic law that sets aside a day for religious purposes. But what about other religions, where Sunday is not the Sabbath? What about the self-control of people? If you think that people should not drink on Sunday...then don't. Why would you need a law to monitor the self-control of the faithful?
When I was running petitions for this proposal, I talked about the limitation of freedoms, and how I believed that was the issue. I personally do not dig guns. I would never own a gun myself, and really see no purpose for many of the weapons that people choose to own. But I would NEVER place my name on a petition that limits someone's freedom to do something. Even if it doesn't jive with my way of thinking.
And how do you bring casinos into this? Man, I cannot wait for the casinos to come in, because it will create jobs. And frankly, my students prosper best when their families have thier basic needs taken care of.
This is the best argument I have read on this issue. I tend to be less wordy when I say that I sometimes like a beer or two on Sunday when I am watching football or whatever it is I like to do. I'm not an alcoholic, but I like having the "choice" to do what I legally can any other day of the week. If this is a religious thing, knock it off.

Vote NO on Nov. 4th.

Union All The Way

“So what!!”

Since: Apr 08

Lakeview, Mi.

#38 Nov 2, 2008
baseball wrote:
I think as ADULTS we should be able to choose when we buy alcohol....
This Sunday ban should be lifted. Just because beer/wine will be sold on Sundays does not mean the world will fall apart.
There will always be irresponsible people, but they were already irresposible M-Sat. adding Sunday will NOT change a thing.
I will vote NO.
This Sunday ban should be lifted.
I will vote NO.
Care to make up your mind?
TedNugent

Grand Rapids, MI

#39 Nov 2, 2008
I own a liquor store in Ottawa county.

I am not in favor of Sunday sales, even though the resale value of my store will instantly increase significantly if this proposal passes.

I grew up in Hudsonville, and have watched as the town has turned from a family-oriented quiet city into another carbon copy suburb. People moved here for the family atmosphere, quiet Sundays, and safe community. Now it has lost its former identity, and Sunday sales is the last thing on the list.

Regardless of you religion, or lack thereof, it is a fact that Sundays were different in this community, and no longer are. Money apparently talks the loudest these days.

It is not very hard to buy alcohol on Saturday instead of Sunday (take-out), but I guess it is all about convenience.

I am sad to see the identity that has grown and prospered this community all but disappear.
Losers KoolAid

Hudsonville, MI

#40 Nov 2, 2008
I fail to understand why it is that in every portion of life, people who must consume "Losers Kool-Aide."
You go to the ball park...Berlin Raceway...the Van Andel Arena...DeVos Place. Go to the County Fairs...the list goes on.
No matter where you go, the demand for Losers Kool-Aide is thought of as a Constitutional Right.
Oh...and before anyone jumps on me for being a non-drinker. I consumed more then my fair share in my younger years. I wasn't a drunk, but I knew how to put them down, trust me. I have not touched a single drop of alcohol since 1993 and it was by my own decision that I stopped.
Alcohol does NOT add anything to a person's quality of life...but it sure destroys a lot of it, thus the term LOSER'S KOOL-AID.
Broken families, drunk drivers, domestic violence, job losses, the list goes on.
Tell me...what positive thing can come from allowing this in Ottawa County and don't say "the business' are losing business and the county is losing the tax revenue." I want to know what positive thing can come from allowing alcohol sales on Sunday in Ottawa County for the FAMILIES of Ottawa County.
stop

Salt Lake City, UT

#41 Nov 2, 2008
TedNugent wrote:
I own a liquor store in Ottawa county.
I am not in favor of Sunday sales, even though the resale value of my store will instantly increase significantly if this proposal passes.
I grew up in Hudsonville, and have watched as the town has turned from a family-oriented quiet city into another carbon copy suburb. People moved here for the family atmosphere, quiet Sundays, and safe community. Now it has lost its former identity, and Sunday sales is the last thing on the list.
Regardless of you religion, or lack thereof, it is a fact that Sundays were different in this community, and no longer are. Money apparently talks the loudest these days.
It is not very hard to buy alcohol on Saturday instead of Sunday (take-out), but I guess it is all about convenience.
I am sad to see the identity that has grown and prospered this community all but disappear.
How can you be a business owner and not at least care about the increased revenue from added Sunday sales? It must be lonely up on your pedestal. If it is that big a problem for you, sell the store, stop owning a liquor store and go and run a charity.

Besides, your argument is invalid. I could go to Applebee's and purchase 10 shots of whiskey on Sunday, so why not a beer? It is a STUPID LAW!
stop

Salt Lake City, UT

#42 Nov 2, 2008
Losers KoolAid wrote:
I fail to understand why it is that in every portion of life, people who must consume "Losers Kool-Aide."
You go to the ball park...Berlin Raceway...the Van Andel Arena...DeVos Place. Go to the County Fairs...the list goes on.
No matter where you go, the demand for Losers Kool-Aide is thought of as a Constitutional Right.
Oh...and before anyone jumps on me for being a non-drinker. I consumed more then my fair share in my younger years. I wasn't a drunk, but I knew how to put them down, trust me. I have not touched a single drop of alcohol since 1993 and it was by my own decision that I stopped.
Alcohol does NOT add anything to a person's quality of life...but it sure destroys a lot of it, thus the term LOSER'S KOOL-AID.
Broken families, drunk drivers, domestic violence, job losses, the list goes on.
Tell me...what positive thing can come from allowing this in Ottawa County and don't say "the business' are losing business and the county is losing the tax revenue." I want to know what positive thing can come from allowing alcohol sales on Sunday in Ottawa County for the FAMILIES of Ottawa County.
I stand corrected. There are two people on the pedestal.

Losers Kool-Aid. Did you think that one up yourself? How original...

“Just be you. ”

Since: May 08

Muskegon,MI

#43 Nov 2, 2008
Union All The Way wrote:
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This Sunday ban should be lifted.
I will vote NO.
Care to make up your mind?
A NO vote is to approve the Sunday sale of beer and wine.

My mind is made up.

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