West Michigan residents fleeing for w...

West Michigan residents fleeing for warm destinations

There are 96 comments on the WZZM-TV Grand Rapids story from Jan 15, 2014, titled West Michigan residents fleeing for warm destinations. In it, WZZM-TV Grand Rapids reports that:

From the recent polar vortex to the pending snow accumulation, West Michigan residents are fleeing the frigid weather for warmer destinations.

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Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#41 Jan 24, 2014
Once again, all 50 states had a temperature below freezing.
Even Hawaii.
I don't know about the other state's though.

Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#42 Jan 24, 2014
Anyone here know about these:

http://earthship.com/

Some of these homes look pretty cool.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#43 Jan 25, 2014
Really wrote:
<quoted text>No argument that humans are creating some issues with the planet with our careless disposal of waste, however, to say that it is caused by too much methane gas from cows or that humans are entirely at fault is foolish as well. The weather and climate has been cyclical for as long as man has been keeping records. Climate change is, I think, the proper terminology. Global warming? Not so much, at least in my opinion. And to use scare tactics, by either side, to make a point is what is turning people off to the possibilities, I think.
I agree that cows are not an issue but I have to wonder about methane from land fills, especially the older ones and there are a lot of them. That being said, I believe the human impact is of a lesser immediate degree than say a volcano or a meteor impact. Acid rain for instance, occurs naturally but humans are accelerating it at an unnatural pace. Check this article out...you can't make this stuff up... http://www.grandfather.com/conservation_inter...

Have you ever been to Phoenix?? I have and when arriving from the higher elevations you can see the smog lingering in the valley. That's just one example and it's awful.

I believe we humans are contributing a slow sinister change to the climate that we may ultimately survive but is not in good keeping of the health of our earth. Some changes and sacrifices need to be made and you are correct, scare tactics and the possibility of people profiting from that is a contributing factor to acceptance or rejection of the facts at hand.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#44 Jan 25, 2014
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that cows are not an issue but I have to wonder about methane from land fills, especially the older ones and there are a lot of them. That being said, I believe the human impact is of a lesser immediate degree than say a volcano or a meteor impact. Acid rain for instance, occurs naturally but humans are accelerating it at an unnatural pace. Check this article out...you can't make this stuff up... http://www.grandfather.com/conservation_inter...
Have you ever been to Phoenix?? I have and when arriving from the higher elevations you can see the smog lingering in the valley. That's just one example and it's awful.
I believe we humans are contributing a slow sinister change to the climate that we may ultimately survive but is not in good keeping of the health of our earth. Some changes and sacrifices need to be made and you are correct, scare tactics and the possibility of people profiting from that is a contributing factor to acceptance or rejection of the facts at hand.
Hey Wiggley! Hope you are warmer than we are today... Before I go snowblow a couple of driveways.. I have this question for you...

What industry caused the melting of the ice age?

That being said, I believe there are a LOT of things we can do differently to HELP the planet out and if we are not careful with what we do, we can destroy it, and rather quickly. But to completely blame everything on humans is a bit ridiculous. Especially considering our weather/climate has been cyclical since the beginning of time - and yes, I mean millions of years ago,
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#45 Jan 25, 2014
We are about to clone Woolly Mammoths which is good because they can be in their natural habitat with all this snow. After this next mini ice age begins to warm in the next few decades, we can begin cloning dinosaurs.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#46 Jan 27, 2014
Meanwhile on another planet. I see that the climate change promoters tell you how it got this way but they are stumped on how to fix it. What will you do de-industrialize, euthanize, of course maybe the chem trails are causing the sterilization of the population. The promoters of this so called crisis blame you for it and wont admit like all life on your planet things evolve even the planet solar system and the galaxy evolve, but science is so limited in its scope it cant see beyond its own arrogance.

Now your tyrant king is going to sign proclamations and he will send out his town criers to all corners of the land that you must obey or face the prosecutor and either confess or die.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#47 Jan 27, 2014
Dr X wrote:
Anyone here know about these:
http://earthship.com/
Some of these homes look pretty cool.
I watch two shows occasionally...Buying Hawai......Buying Alaska.....often about survival/minimalist couples, buying basic cabins and properties....only solar powered and often heated solely by wood stove....also thought, these type homes, built partially into a hillside, and into the ground, might be the answer for both tornados and forest fires.....
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#48 Jan 27, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> I watch two shows occasionally...Buying Hawai......Buying Alaska.....often about survival/minimalist couples, buying basic cabins and properties....only solar powered and often heated solely by wood stove....also thought, these type homes, built partially into a hillside, and into the ground, might be the answer for both tornados and forest fires.....
Most of these homes seem to be built in an area of New Mexico. I like some of the designs except I'm not sure how something like that could be zoned in a traditional neighborhood. I have heard that domes are especially wind resistant and would probably fare much better in a tornado than traditional framed homes. We have 60 acres up north and I'm going to see about building a little Jabba The Hutt style dome cabin up there. Not sure about the solar power though. Seems to me that it would work in the summer but I wouldn't rely on it during a Michigan winter.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#49 Jan 27, 2014
You should consider building it, partly into a bluff or hill....do you know what i mean?...That combination, may be storm-proof.....60 acres sounds fantastic.....I've been to Arizona and New Mexico, but don't think, i could ever get used to all the brown.....
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#50 Jan 27, 2014
Another thing we agree on. I love Pulaski days and their home cooked food. I also love Italian, and I am a fan of the original Vitale's on Leonard St. They are the best. Dutch food? I don't even know what that is. LOL.
Really wrote:
<quoted text> Try moving to the north side of town. The polish and italians live on the north side. Too bad you are so bigoted against one particular group.
Dr X

Byron Center, MI

#51 Jan 27, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
You should consider building it, partly into a bluff or hill....do you know what i mean?...That combination, may be storm-proof.....60 acres sounds fantastic.....I've been to Arizona and New Mexico, but don't think, i could ever get used to all the brown.....
The land is heavily wooded and does have a few rolling hills although they're small. If we were to use soil for the back edge of the structure we would have to grade it up at least 4 feet above what it is currently to get the minimum 8ft of ceiling space. I might just go with the standalone structure depending on location. All of this is just speculative right now though. Never been to Arizona. I don't think I'd want to live there either. Not enough water supply or timber for my taste, plus I like the fall colors and change of seasons here in Michigan. This winter we're having sucks though.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#52 Jan 28, 2014
Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>The land is heavily wooded and does have a few rolling hills although they're small. If we were to use soil for the back edge of the structure we would have to grade it up at least 4 feet above what it is currently to get the minimum 8ft of ceiling space. I might just go with the standalone structure depending on location. All of this is just speculative right now though. Never been to Arizona. I don't think I'd want to live there either. Not enough water supply or timber for my taste, plus I like the fall colors and change of seasons here in Michigan. This winter we're having sucks though.
I'm seeing your weather, and easily recalling the worst that i was in up there...it's been so long now...Worst part of this, is hearing about the prices of energy to keep warm?....and running out....Hope your gonna have a great woodstove? Autumn is the season, i really miss....we occasionally drive up, we know all the antique malls and shows between here and there....Like we need anymore...lol...
OhOhObama

Jenison, MI

#53 Jan 28, 2014
They changed the name because saying global warming is a lie.

And the climate ain't changing either, if it's hot, our fault, if it's cold, our fault, if it's 72 degrees clear sky, our fault, fog, rain, drought, waves, tornados, dang it's all our fault.

Most stupid crap I ever heard of.

Then there is always some record temp or rainfall like 100 years ago, sorry no science.
pipedream

Holly, MI

#54 Jan 29, 2014
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
So you think that by posting 3 links to obviously biased websites, that "proves" that GW exists?
For real?
You're a bigger idiot that I originally gave you credit for.
Think about it dumbass, all this organizations get grant money from the government, therefore it's in their best interest to push the "green" agenda.
Otherwise, NO MORE GRANT MONEY!
And you and I both know what happens to those who even so much as hint that GW might be a hoax, the above posts from the pipster and those posted in other forums on this subject are a testament to that.
Anybody who doesn't agree with liberal's OPINION, and that's all it is, are considered ignorant and uneducated by you holier-than-thou liberals whose only goal in life is to control everybody and everything. It's the same tactic employed on those who don't agree with Obastard, their immediately called racists.
Are you honestly that stupid?
Why don't you just STFU? You're stupidity is only surpassed by your assholery.
OhOhObama

Jenison, MI

#55 Jan 29, 2014
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you just STFU? You're stupidity is only surpassed by your assholery.
Ditto that, he forgot Obama said in his speech, "it is real" ahhh hehhahehehahahah.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#57 Jan 31, 2014
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
What's the point? I mean really...
People like you are totally convinced that everything these so-called "scientists" say is defacto truth and any opinion otherwise is the rantings of mad men.
I could waste my time posting links, and digging for the truth, but it wouldn't do me a damn bit of good. In that void space between your ears which you refer to as your mind there's no room for any other opinion but your own.
Piss off.
There is no point from you...that's obvious, you have no point to offer like I've already said.
The entire basis for the Climate Change theory is based on Science studied and written on Scientific evidence from earth's History by...Scientists!!!
The fact that you refuse to accept their findings based on rhetoric about people profiting from new innovations to try to offset the damage we humans are doing to our environment speaks volumes. Hopefully and thankfully most folks won't follow your conspiracy theory revelations and accept the facts and try to work for a sustainable earth.
Piss on!!!

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#58 Jan 31, 2014
neecer wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Wiggley! Hope you are warmer than we are today... Before I go snowblow a couple of driveways.. I have this question for you...
What industry caused the melting of the ice age?
That being said, I believe there are a LOT of things we can do differently to HELP the planet out and if we are not careful with what we do, we can destroy it, and rather quickly. But to completely blame everything on humans is a bit ridiculous. Especially considering our weather/climate has been cyclical since the beginning of time - and yes, I mean millions of years ago,
Hey there neecer!!!
We've been a few degrees warmer than you overall and certainly have not had the snow you guys are getting. I actually kinda miss that. Nothing more fun than bundling up and jumping the the 4wd truck and heading out to the Allegan Forest and toodly bopping around the back roads.
No industry caused the melting of the last ice age or any other for that matter.
My point is and was that we humans are contributing to and/or accelerating the changes to climate that will possibly lead to another ice age or some other major climate odyssey.
We humans aren't the total cause but we are contributing to an imbalance not yet experienced by history or our planet.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

be back later

#60 Feb 1, 2014
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Humans are the TOTAL cause since we started pumping emissions, chemicals into the air we breath, the oceans, the fresh water supply and the land we live on since the industrial revolution 125 years ago. Why sugar coat it? All you have to do is inhale car exhaust fumes to know its effects on the human body and that's just one source of it.
Really? Then tell me Mr. Smartypants, what HUMAN industry melted the first Ice Age?
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#61 Feb 1, 2014
neecer wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Then tell me Mr. Smartypants, what HUMAN industry melted the first Ice Age?
They won't answer you because they don't know and are too arrogant to admit they don't know. Besides which, didn't you notice that according to the pipester global warming has only been going on for 125 years? Apparently he/she/it doesn't agree with the science that says it has been going on for over 400 years? Once again, progressives pick and choose what they believe and then get mad and stomp their feet when rational people ignore them.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#62 Feb 1, 2014
To neecer and really....
The ice age that ended 20,000 years ago was due to the wobble of the earth's orbit changing it's orientation to the sun which affects the amount of sunlight in the higher altitudes...that's a known scientific fact. The result was higher CO2 levels which is actually the driving factor in the warming of earth...the wobble is the starting factor but the resulting CO2 is acknowledged as being a bigger factor.
This occurred naturally. The amounts of CO2 we are creating now is abnormal and does not occur naturally thus we humans are creating an abnormal situation.

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