You're more than welcome to your opinion, but with all due respect I'm not going to get into another roundabout argument with someone who believes the government does not influence or compel businesses to play the game. It's naive to think the government is not complicit in the corruption, as guilty as any big business. Solyndra alone should put that notion to rest.<quoted text>
I'm compelled to take issue with your comment "If you want the economy to flourish, the government needs to butt out of businesses."
The reverse may be even more important and necessary. Getting big business out of the pockets of politicians is paramount.
The corruption begins with big business. Whom do you actually think sets the minimun wage numbers? Remember, big business has to keep the profit percentage at the max.
How many elected Tea Party candidates have kept their promise of not accepting big business money and gifts? Hint...none.
An example is the governor of Virginia. The money he and his wife accepted as "gifts" was only to benifit his big business friend. He got caught but I can't even imagine the numbers of politicians that don't.
There is an inevitable overlap between government and business. We both know letting business set wage, and hours and safety standards won't work. As well as many other standards regarding building codes, handicap access, zoning, emissions from cars trucks and businesses. Food and drug safety and regulation. It goes on and on.
The seperation needs to be not letting big business influence our politicians and government processes.
The regulations or whatever you were referring to by government on big business has been compensated for by big business by passing on the costs to it's employees and consumers to protect their bottom line...make lots and lots of money at the cost of everyone else.
I'm not saying "iseestupidpeople" (I wish he/she would change his name), is right or wrong. He's welcome to a theory just like you are, and it sounds like "stupid" isn't blaming one entity over another any more than I am. It's a long-baked system of corruption and collusion, all by people wielding fabulous earned wealth and people with all the power of the government, and then people like lobbyists and union bosses, social leaders and so on down the line.
What's missing from that back room deal-making is the middle class worker, the one with no influence but a vote, the one with no wealth or elected power. The one that would put a stop to the corruption and cronyism if allowed because it's in his best interest to have an honest system in place. I get all of that. The question is, what do we do about it?
I'm not saying we let big business run amok in a lawless fashion. The government is responsible for holding corporations and industries accountable to work within the law of the land. But on the same level, just saying we need to let government put a bootheel on businesses is about the dumbest idea I can think of - yet that seems to be what people who believe that "corruption starts with businesses" are supporting. Keep allowing the government to grow in power and influence and there will be no competition, no ingenuity and no motivation. Let a free market work within the laws of the land and you will get competition and ingenuity, with plenty of motivation from all.
So, how does America create a business climate that is not beholden to politicians' interests beyond being held accountable to the established laws of the land, and is not able to corrupt the system by influencing politicians?
Rather than argue endlessly about who is at fault, I think that is the question we should all be seeking solutions.