Brake prelim: 5 witnesses take stand

There are 20 comments on the Nov 25, 2008, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story titled Brake prelim: 5 witnesses take stand. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

While questioning Troy Brake's girlfriend, Tarah Van Dyke, Prosecutor Ron Franz pointed out that her testimony differs from what she first told detectives on at least five points.

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close family

Holland, MI

#548 Dec 11, 2008
peace wrote:
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So nice to hear from you, close family. Since I received that poem, it has been comforting to me, especially during the holiday season. I hope it can also bring comfort to your mother's friend. I believe I made a couple typos, as I tend to do with my butterfinger typing skills!

Ha Ha Ha, didn't notice any typos!

I hope things are going as well as possible with you, also. I know anticipating the continuation of the preliminaries on the 15th is stressful for you & the others. I hope they can get it over with as soon as possible, & come another step toward justice being served. I am (& will be) thinking of all of you! As I pray this evening, I will also remember your mother's friend. Take care & as always, God bless.:)
Yes, Monday will be another hard day. Thanks for the continuing prayers. Although we do not know eachother, it's reassuring to hear from you & Annon. To know that there are still good people out there. Thanks and have a good day (:
betafish

United States

#549 Dec 11, 2008
Praying for Justice wrote:
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Ok, O.S. Thank you for the gentle kick in the pants! You are right, I am only hurting them and I got way off track once again. For that, I am very sorry! I am done on this forum, but my prayers for the victims families will always continue! May they all someday be able to find some peace in their lives once again. Also, may God see to it that whoever commited this crime, that they are brought to justice!
You gotta be kidding me??/ Justice! You have the same God given right to word yout thoughts,beliefs, and opinions just the same as anyone! Dont leave these postings because some of the vain and naive people on here think you are not doing what they expect!!! You go girl!!!!!!!!!
PFJ POSTS

United States

#550 Dec 11, 2008
Praying for Justice wrote:
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Ok, O.S. Thank you for the gentle kick in the pants! You are right, I am only hurting them and I got way off track once again. For that, I am very sorry! I am done on this forum, but my prayers for the victims families will always continue! May they all someday be able to find some peace in their lives once again. Also, may God see to it that whoever commited this crime, that they are brought to justice!
U can stay on here, Maybe we just have to stay more on topic. We have kept thread alive only so many times u can write about sending prayers. It is too bad more facts reguarding the case aren't available yet.

For now pfj u stay if u want this is public, Lets just for family's sake TRY to stay on topic----Deal?
idiot

United States

#551 Dec 11, 2008
I enjoyed watching pfj and pfj posts go at it, rather fun, they are serious when they need to be.alot of stuff gets said on here to keep it at the top i say keep it going trial resumes mon.
PFJ POSTS

United States

#552 Dec 11, 2008
concerened resident wrote:
PFJ Posts what was the Wayland boy's mothers name when she graduated from Coops?
Sara Warfield
Buzz

Rockford, MI

#553 Dec 11, 2008
It sounds like alot of people on here are begining puberty. All the arguing between some who are supposed to be adults is getting old. Quit thinking about yourselves and think of the families who are devistated by this tragedy. All of them, Browns,Zimmers, Tolars and Brakes. They all hurt, everyone of them in different ways, depending which side of the horror they are on. The victims family as well as the family of Troy. Grow up and stop acting like you are still in junior high.
OMG

United States

#554 Dec 11, 2008
Buzz wrote:
It sounds like alot of people on here are begining puberty. All the arguing between some who are supposed to be adults is getting old. Quit thinking about yourselves and think of the families who are devistated by this tragedy. All of them, Browns,Zimmers, Tolars and Brakes. They all hurt, everyone of them in different ways, depending which side of the horror they are on. The victims family as well as the family of Troy. Grow up and stop acting like you are still in junior high.
I am sorry. I know the Zimmers and Tolar families, and many Brown families from this area. at this time do not ask for my sympathy for the Brakes as I am unable to give it. Troy Brake changed this community forever, things will never be the same again. if you do not like what you read on here then don't !!!
OMG

United States

#555 Dec 11, 2008
And your right Buzzy this isn't junior high! 4 people were murdered ! do you think this was a joke ? maybe we goof around to ease tension a little. but we all have one thing in common...we want to see his and anybody else that could be responsible for this God awful crime, rot in prison for the rest of their miserable lives!!!!!!!
PFJ POSTS

United States

#556 Dec 11, 2008
santas little helper wrote:
First off, I have AOL, but I am NOT PFJ, you can be assured. I have read these threads since the very beginning but have never posted. I am from the area and know the Zimmer/Tolar family. I am so sorry for your lose and continue to pray for all of the families involved. Yes, this thread gets crazy, but there are good people on here who do care. PFJ, you really need to stop, you are hurting the families with whatever agenda you have and PFJ Posts is right, it is always all about you. You have been asked over and over by the family to stop and you don't. You really are hurting the one's you claim to want to help and are praying for. Wasn't the deal, you quit posting and they take the "Do you believe PFJ posts?" off of the forum?
Again, hopefully answers will be forthcoming for the family and maybe some closure.
I am sorry things said on here bother u. I have been thinking about above statements and is disheartening to hear u may have helped in removing a thread that had nothing to do with this tragedy it was actually a deterant from coming on here and ranting. Then after that thread is removed for whatever reason? u come on here and complain.

I really do care about Zimmer and Brown families, But a public forum is not actually the best place for Mourning family members to find comfort and peace. That is what family is for. I hope and I am sure that is what real family members are doing and hopefully over the holidays they can find comfort with the presence of Close family and Friends. Not on a public forum.

personal emails and phone calls also work and if needed Greif counseling.
OMG

United States

#557 Dec 11, 2008
PFJ POSTS wrote:
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I am sorry things said on here bother u. I have been thinking about above statements and is disheartening to hear u may have helped in removing a thread that had nothing to do with this tragedy it was actually a deterant from coming on here and ranting. Then after that thread is removed for whatever reason? u come on here and complain.
I really do care about Zimmer and Brown families, But a public forum is not actually the best place for Mourning family members to find comfort and peace. That is what family is for. I hope and I am sure that is what real family members are doing and hopefully over the holidays they can find comfort with the presence of Close family and Friends. Not on a public forum.
personal emails and phone calls also work and if needed Greif counseling.
And so the story goes...The Grinch really did have a heart! I'm, sorry I just couldn't resist! I knew you were nice!!!
chad

United States

#558 Dec 11, 2008
I talked to a gun enthusiast and I was told that a Glock isn't set up for using a silencer ,to answer the question about whether one was used or not. And the .40 caliber is a loud gun. Very loud. I was also told that its a favorite gun for the police to use.

The only way to shoot everyone without one of the victims using their cell phone,you would have to have more than one person involved. It should be interesting to see the data for bullets retrieved from the house. GrPete might be on to something.

Also there are alot of Glocks out there since it is a popular pistol and not too expensive but very reliable as a weapon. Just because Troy had a Glock, does not necessarily mean he did it.

I was surprised to hear that there are many people (besides the police) who own Glocks.
OMG

United States

#559 Dec 11, 2008
chad wrote:
I talked to a gun enthusiast and I was told that a Glock isn't set up for using a silencer ,to answer the question about whether one was used or not. And the .40 caliber is a loud gun. Very loud. I was also told that its a favorite gun for the police to use.
The only way to shoot everyone without one of the victims using their cell phone,you would have to have more than one person involved. It should be interesting to see the data for bullets retrieved from the house. GrPete might be on to something.
Also there are alot of Glocks out there since it is a popular pistol and not too expensive but very reliable as a weapon. Just because Troy had a Glock, does not necessarily mean he did it.
I was surprised to hear that there are many people (besides the police) who own Glocks.
I was told you can look on the internet and easily make a silencer. I know the night of the murders it was not all that cold out yet, we had a couple of windows opened. all I can think of is the neighbors are afraid to say anything, otherwise I just don't get why someone did not hear this or these guns being fired.
peace

Syracuse, NY

#560 Dec 11, 2008
The song "Never forget you" by Mariah Carey came on the radio tonight. As I listened to it, I thought of you guys- friends & family who are dealing with the loss of Sharm, Tyler, Jeremy, Katherine, & everyone else on here who has lost a loved one.
- Just wanted to drop in tonight, & remind you that so many hearts go out to you. So, so many....
Getting by

Barnesville, OH

#561 Dec 11, 2008
May the truth be revealed & closure for all involved. This thing, this evil has consumed my life and so many others. I wish for it to be over. It's too hard to be angry all the time. I'm sick of the media. I'm exhausted! May Sharm, Tyler, Jeremy, and Katherine help shed some light on this case - Help reveal the truth.
Buzz

Rockford, MI

#562 Dec 11, 2008
OMG wrote:
And your right Buzzy this isn't junior high! 4 people were murdered ! do you think this was a joke ? maybe we goof around to ease tension a little. but we all have one thing in common...we want to see his and anybody else that could be responsible for this God awful crime, rot in prison for the rest of their miserable lives!!!!!!!
This is far from being a joke and I think you are being very narrow minded to even suggest something like that. As far as goofing around to ease tension, some of the things that posters have said to each other goes way beyond trying to ease tension. In light of the seriousness of this tragedy I would think some respect should be shown to the entire situation no matter who you are trying to convince that you are just joking around. There are other ways to ease tension than to attack each other. I agree with you on the fact that whoever is responsible for this crime does deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law, but use some common sense in how you joke to ease tension. As far as not liking what I read, everyone of us has read something on these forums we dont like. Does that stop us from still reading and responding? No it doesnt.
local

Grand Rapids, MI

#563 Dec 11, 2008
and your point is?
TLS wrote:
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Were you in court to hear Mrs Trout speak about the fence and the reasoning(or partial reason) for the fence. Probably not!
local

Grand Rapids, MI

#564 Dec 11, 2008
Please try google some time, key words glock 27 silencer.looks like for $800 you can buy one or for $1550 get a complete package.
http://www.impactguns.com/store/AAC-EVO40.htm...
http://www.impactguns.com/store/gl27_aac_supp...
chad wrote:
I talked to a gun enthusiast and I was told that a Glock isn't set up for using a silencer ,to answer the question about whether one was used or not. And the .40 caliber is a loud gun. Very loud. I was also told that its a favorite gun for the police to use.
The only way to shoot everyone without one of the victims using their cell phone,you would have to have more than one person involved. It should be interesting to see the data for bullets retrieved from the house. GrPete might be on to something.
Also there are alot of Glocks out there since it is a popular pistol and not too expensive but very reliable as a weapon. Just because Troy had a Glock, does not necessarily mean he did it.
I was surprised to hear that there are many people (besides the police) who own Glocks.
local

Grand Rapids, MI

#566 Dec 11, 2008
if you are bored and want to waste some time, google can be an eye opening trip.it is as bad as u-tube for time wasting. i was wonder after you posted this what the top 10 on google would be.
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>I was told you can look on the internet and easily make a silencer. I know the night of the murders it was not all that cold out yet, we had a couple of windows opened. all I can think of is the neighbors are afraid to say anything, otherwise I just don't get why someone did not hear this or these guns being fired.
brat

AOL

#567 Dec 12, 2008
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>And so the story goes...The Grinch really did have a heart! I'm, sorry I just couldn't resist! I knew you were nice!!!
He really has :-)))))
peace

Syracuse, NY

#568 Dec 12, 2008
May the grace of God be with everyone this weekend, as you prepare for the preliminary hearing Mon. You have the prayers & support of the entire community, & so much more outreaching support. We know you've been struggling through more than anyone should ever have to endure in their lifetime. As you continue the very difficult & painful struggles in this process of seeking truth & justice, allow God to carry you through. Try to take care of yourselves. As a previous poster said, they are just exhausted! I can only imagine the toll it has on you, as the days continue to pass. So many of us truly wish we could help ease your pain. May you have as peaceful a weekend as possible, as we continue to pray for you, & what Monday may bring. God bless each & every one of you.

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