Hudsonville asked to remove 'to serve God' from mission statement

There are 15 comments on the Feb 18, 2008, WZZM Grand Rapids story titled Hudsonville asked to remove 'to serve God' from mission statement. In it, WZZM Grand Rapids reports that:

The mayor of Hudsonville says the city is seeking legal advice after receiving a request to remove the words 'to serve God' from its web site.

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zot

Grand Rapids, MI

#246 Feb 23, 2008
Alfred wrote:
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NEKO, you need to see s shink, something wrong with your noggin.
Are you in a prision in Ohio?
zot say.......neko backwards is OKEN
so in effect neko likes it from behind go ken go emphasis on the OOOOOO
lmao
Thad

Lamont, MI

#247 Feb 24, 2008
hi ppl
Thad

Lamont, MI

#248 Feb 24, 2008
ewwww zot

Since: Sep 07

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#249 Feb 24, 2008
Lucy say ... ewwwww Thad.

Zot resident genius.

Since: Aug 07

Greater Grand Rapids

#250 Feb 24, 2008
Hurley35 wrote:
The foundation involved is called "The Freedom From Religion Foundation" FROM religion. Our Constitution guarantees Freedom OF Religion. The two should not be mixed up.
As for where you choose to live... If you don't like gambling, don't live in Las Vegas, If you are against homosexuality, then San Francisco is probably not the place for you. If you hate snow, then Buffalo New York is probably out. If you don't want the words "to serve God" in your city mission statement, don't move to Hudsonville. And if you really don't like "In God we Trust" on your coins and money then perhaps another nation would suite you better (Perhaps a Monarchical/Theocracy like say Saudi Arabia).
Just because the mission statement of a city, county, State or Nation contains "to serve God" in no way forces any person to do so. That's the beauty of American people. The Bill Of Rights assures you the right to serve God in what ever way you see fit, or to not recognize or serve him at all if one chooses not to. It does NOT give the minority the right to dictate to others how they should view God or choose to serve him.
If the people of Hudsonville don't like the mission statement then they are free to choose to elect new city commissioners and a new mayor who will seek to remove that language from the mission statement. I don't see that happening any time soon.
Very well written.

Since: Aug 07

Greater Grand Rapids

#251 Feb 24, 2008
josieavina wrote:
Why do people get so bent out of shape when religious people or people of different religious beliefs practice or reference their beliefs in public? I am not Jewish but I am not offended by Hanukkah symbolism or celebrations. I am not Catholic but I do not consider the observation of and public reference to Lent to be inappropriate. I am not African American yet I do not consider Kwanzaa celebrations to be offensive. There are many Christians who find references to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny sacriligious but they aren't out campaigning to eradicate these things. So why are so many non-Christians intent on eliminating my Christian symbolism and practices and references to God or even Christmas?
If we all thought about it hard enough I am sure we could come up with a list a mile long of things that we see and/or are exposed to that we do not personally agree with, value or hold belief in. This diversity of value, belief and interest is the wonderful thing that makes us unique individuals. The fact that we have the freedom to exercise these differences is the wonderful thing that makes us Americans.
So why does anyone think they have the right to prohibit any culture, race or religion from observing or referencing their traditions, culture or god? Yes, some of these things have become commonplace in our daily lives as Americans, and even more so in areas like West Michigan, but by allowing them to exist you are not being forced to adopt them as your own. If you come across something that you don't personally agree with or subscribe to, ignore it (or better yet, use it as an opportunity for learning). If it really bothers you that much, distance yourself from it. Chances are there are things that you do or publicly promote that other people don't agree with.
If the city of Hudsonville wants to include the reference to serving God in their mission, so be it. It is part of their heritage and while there may be room for debate as to religion being the basis of this country, it would be pretty hard to argue against it being a pillarstone in the city of Hudsonville.
Honestly, how does it trample on the rights of a person who does not so believe? They have not passed a law requiring every citizen to serve *God* or even *a god*. If you live there and do not believe in God, so? How does it change your life or anything you do believe in by stating this? How does it prevent you from participating (or not participating) in your own religion or beliefs? The fact that tax-payer dollars have been used to support a web site on which a reference to God (in this context) occurs seems extremely petty to me.
The whole separation of church and state argument has been so abused and applied out of context that the original intent has been completely diluted.
Another well written post.

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#252 Feb 25, 2008
josieavina wrote:
Why do people get so bent out of shape when religious people or people of different religious beliefs practice or reference their beliefs in public? I am not Jewish but I am not offended by Hanukkah symbolism or celebrations. I am not Catholic but I do not consider the observation of and public reference to Lent to be inappropriate. I am not African American yet I do not consider Kwanzaa celebrations to be offensive. There are many Christians who find references to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny sacriligious but they aren't out campaigning to eradicate these things. So why are so many non-Christians intent on eliminating my Christian symbolism and practices and references to God or even Christmas?
If we all thought about it hard enough I am sure we could come up with a list a mile long of things that we see and/or are exposed to that we do not personally agree with, value or hold belief in. This diversity of value, belief and interest is the wonderful thing that makes us unique individuals. The fact that we have the freedom to exercise these differences is the wonderful thing that makes us Americans.
So why does anyone think they have the right to prohibit any culture, race or religion from observing or referencing their traditions, culture or god? Yes, some of these things have become commonplace in our daily lives as Americans, and even more so in areas like West Michigan, but by allowing them to exist you are not being forced to adopt them as your own. If you come across something that you don't personally agree with or subscribe to, ignore it (or better yet, use it as an opportunity for learning). If it really bothers you that much, distance yourself from it. Chances are there are things that you do or publicly promote that other people don't agree with.
If the city of Hudsonville wants to include the reference to serving God in their mission, so be it. It is part of their heritage and while there may be room for debate as to religion being the basis of this country, it would be pretty hard to argue against it being a pillarstone in the city of Hudsonville.
Honestly, how does it trample on the rights of a person who does not so believe? They have not passed a law requiring every citizen to serve *God* or even *a god*. If you live there and do not believe in God, so? How does it change your life or anything you do believe in by stating this? How does it prevent you from participating (or not participating) in your own religion or beliefs? The fact that tax-payer dollars have been used to support a web site on which a reference to God (in this context) occurs seems extremely petty to me.
The whole separation of church and state argument has been so abused and applied out of context that the original intent has been completely diluted.
Right on! You hit the nail on the head on all of your points. End of discussion. Thanks for a very intelligent and well reasoned response.
jenn

United States

#253 Feb 25, 2008
this country was founded on religous beliefs. To have the freedom to belive or not back off. It does not say follow me or go to jail. Oh and the Jewish people belive in God they do not believe that Jesus is messiah but a prophet. thank you
whatever

Milwaukee, WI

#254 Feb 25, 2008
jenn wrote:
this country was founded on religous beliefs. To have the freedom to belive or not back off. It does not say follow me or go to jail. Oh and the Jewish people belive in God they do not believe that Jesus is messiah but a prophet. thank you
Youre wrong. So sorry. Take some history lessons.

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#255 Feb 27, 2008
whatever wrote:
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Youre wrong. So sorry. Take some history lessons.
whatever, I think it's you who needs to take some history listens. A very good start would be "Decision in Philadelphia; The Constitutional Convention of 1787", Chritopher Collier and James Lincoln Coolier, 1986, Ballantine New York). another good read is Saul K. Padover "Abridged Biography of Jefferson" (Shorter than the full biography by Padover on Jefferson (Metor, New York, 1970). You need a good base of history to make statement about our present form of government. What the men at the Constitution Convention were thinking and attempting to at the time.

I would be more than pleased to post extra reading on this subject once you are through with those books.

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#256 Feb 27, 2008
whatever wrote:
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Youre wrong. So sorry. Take some history lessons.
YOU'RE wrong! Take some bible studies!

zot

“thats my prarie dog kitty”

Since: Nov 07

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#257 Feb 27, 2008
Lucy in Rockford wrote:
Lucy say ... ewwwww Thad.
Zot resident genius.
zot say..........hiii
zot also say.resident part is right just don't know if its genius or nuthouse?
git-r-dun.lol

“God Save The Queen”

Since: Jan 08

Grand Haven

#258 Feb 27, 2008
Were all damn lucky that the Puritans didn't have there way about Christianity and how it should be practiced.
Just me

Hudsonville, MI

#259 Feb 28, 2008
I have been sitting quietly reading all the replies and have to say that josieavina gets the medal for all the great thoughts. I also wonder how many out there have checked this group out who is making a big stink about something that is none of their business. And I wonder if there really was someone who made a comment about it or if that is they way of trying to make them look like the defenders of a fictional person. I took the time to look at their web site. Scary. Very scary as far as I am concerned. Hey "whatever" I bet you are part of that group too. Please stay in Wisconsin, don't bother to come to Michigan to visit because we like our freedoms here.
Kylyssa

Grand Rapids, MI

#260 Jun 14, 2008
Hurley35 wrote: "If you don't want the words "to serve God" in your city mission statement, don't move to Hudsonville. And if you really don't like "In God we Trust" on your coins and money then perhaps another nation would suite you better (Perhaps a Monarchical/Theocracy like say Saudi Arabia)."

That would be foolish. It would be moving from a country of low religious tolerance to a country of no religious tolerance - out of the frying pan and into the fire.

What bothers non-Christians about giving cities Christian missions is that it is a move towards theocracy, just like those in Arab countries which you so despise. If the website said "to serve Allah," you'd be screaming your head off. No one so far in years of putting that forth has even replied to that - that they'd freak out if it were some religion other than Christianity being promoted with their tax dollars. No one will respond probably because they are ashamed to admit they are hypocritical and would fight against "praise Allah" in their mission statement or on their money or in the led prayers at public school sports games.

You just don't get that bigotry is still bigotry when done in the name of Christianity. Who would Jesus deport?

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