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free thinker

Farmington, MI

#149 Nov 20, 2012
SOS in Mesa wrote:
Can't agree, as a parent, educating my children was my responsibility, the school system was there to assist me.
Oh...so you home schooled, then? You sat in all your kids' classes and co-taught with the teacher?
SOS in Mesa

Phoenix, AZ

#150 Nov 20, 2012
free thinker wrote:
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Oh...so you home schooled, then? You sat in all your kids' classes and co-taught with the teacher?

No but I was involved with home work, school functions etc. I actually looked at the literature that came home in their folders. My kids were all reading by age four. I kept the chargers for the Nintendos, they were charged once a week. TV was limited, we played Scrabble often and when they were young, we did a lot of puzzles. In addition, we discussed school work and activities daily. I attended all track, cross country, tennis and swim events. Won't bore you with any more details, but you should get the picture.

I thought time with them was more important than sitting in a bar or on the couch watching football.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#151 Nov 20, 2012
SOS in Mesa wrote:
No but I was involved with home work, school functions etc. I actually looked at the literature that came home in their folders. My kids were all reading by age four. I kept the chargers for the Nintendos, they were charged once a week. TV was limited, we played Scrabble often and when they were young, we did a lot of puzzles. In addition, we discussed school work and activities daily. I attended all track, cross country, tennis and swim events. Won't bore you with any more details, but you should get the picture.
I thought time with them was more important than sitting in a bar or on the couch watching football.
I see...so all the parents that work second shift or are single parents who can't do a lot of those things are bad parents and don't care about their kids' educations, then? Gotcha. Newsflash...some parents are working two and three jobs just to make ends meet and they are trusting the schools and the teachers to perform the function that they are there to perform...teaching the kids. It's not the parents who are passing the kids from one grade to the next when they haven't adequately mastered the necessary skills and should be held back, now is it?
SOS in Mesa

Phoenix, AZ

#152 Nov 20, 2012
vox veritatis wrote:
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I see...so all the parents that work second shift or are single parents who can't do a lot of those things are bad parents and don't care about their kids' educations, then? Gotcha. Newsflash...some parents are working two and three jobs just to make ends meet and they are trusting the schools and the teachers to perform the function that they are there to perform...teaching the kids. It's not the parents who are passing the kids from one grade to the next when they haven't adequately mastered the necessary skills and should be held back, now is it?
I don't recall saying any one was a bad parent. My point is, many parents who have the time to spend with their children, choose to do other wise. Many times it is easier to make excuses than to do what is right. Don't try to put words in my mouth. Please read my posts as written without going into defense mode. Never said, or implied, I was a perfect parent. I was never named "parent of the year" and I think it is safe to assume that you weren't either.
Really

Holland, MI

#153 Nov 20, 2012
vox veritatis wrote:
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I see...so all the parents that work second shift or are single parents who can't do a lot of those things are bad parents and don't care about their kids' educations, then? Gotcha. Newsflash...some parents are working two and three jobs just to make ends meet and they are trusting the schools and the teachers to perform the function that they are there to perform...teaching the kids. It's not the parents who are passing the kids from one grade to the next when they haven't adequately mastered the necessary skills and should be held back, now is it?
Calm down vox. I was a single parent and went to my daughter's cheerleading events. Followed her for 3 years to every single home and away game for football. Froze to death a lot of the years or was drenched a lot of the time. I went to conferences as well. Not every single parent pays that close attention to their child's activities. And frankly, young people are being tempted every day by video games, TV, alcohol, drugs, gangs, and bullies. The teachers need to teach the 3 R's and the parents need to stand up and be counted. And yes, that includes the single parents. It's not easy and it's not fun. But, it is soooo worth it to see your children grow up to be productive, honest, hardworking citizens. Wouldn't you agree?
SOS in Mesa

Phoenix, AZ

#154 Nov 20, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Calm down vox. I was a single parent and went to my daughter's cheerleading events. Followed her for 3 years to every single home and away game for football. Froze to death a lot of the years or was drenched a lot of the time. I went to conferences as well. Not every single parent pays that close attention to their child's activities. And frankly, young people are being tempted every day by video games, TV, alcohol, drugs, gangs, and bullies. The teachers need to teach the 3 R's and the parents need to stand up and be counted. And yes, that includes the single parents. It's not easy and it's not fun. But, it is soooo worth it to see your children grow up to be productive, honest, hardworking citizens. Wouldn't you agree?
I commend you, and I agree 100%.
Coyote Ugly

Scranton, PA

#155 Nov 21, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Calm down vox. I was a single parent and went to my daughter's cheerleading events. Followed her for 3 years to every single home and away game for football. Froze to death a lot of the years or was drenched a lot of the time. I went to conferences as well. Not every single parent pays that close attention to their child's activities. And frankly, young people are being tempted every day by video games, TV, alcohol, drugs, gangs, and bullies. The teachers need to teach the 3 R's and the parents need to stand up and be counted. And yes, that includes the single parents. It's not easy and it's not fun. But, it is soooo worth it to see your children grow up to be productive, honest, hardworking citizens. Wouldn't you agree?
It's easy to understand why you were a single parent. No one wanted to be with you and you were too irresponsible to make good choices. As soon as the guy sobered up he ran for the hills.
SOS in Mesa

Phoenix, AZ

#156 Nov 21, 2012
Coyote Ugly wrote:
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It's easy to understand why you were a single parent. No one wanted to be with you and you were too irresponsible to make good choices. As soon as the guy sobered up he ran for the hills.
I am trying hard to understand your response. Please explain how taking care of your kids and being involved in their lives constitutes irresponsibility. As far as being alone, you have made a good case for that decision.
wishful thinker

Grand Rapids, MI

#157 Nov 21, 2012
Really wrote:
Calm down vox. I was a single parent and went to my daughter's cheerleading events. Followed her for 3 years to every single home and away game for football.
Congratulations and I am quite calm. Did you miss the part about working two or 3 jobs to make ends meet or second shifters? I'm glad you made the effort but that doesn't mean you are the rule because I'm here to tell you that you are very much the exception. It's extremely difficult for most single parents to support the family AND be that involved with their kids' school activities to that degree, especially on today's economy.
You know what the participation was for parent/teacher conference at my daughter's school was a few weeks ago? 10%. What I don't get is the line of thinking that says the teacher can't teach if the parent(s) doesn't show up at school every other week.
BTW...both of my kids are on the honor roll and one is set to graduate as Valedictorian of her class next spring, the other is in the top 5 of her class.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#158 Nov 21, 2012
apologize for the name change on that last post...friend was using the laptop before I was and I didn't realize they posted using another name.
pants on fire

Grandville, MI

#159 Nov 21, 2012
wishful thinker wrote:
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Congratulations and I am quite calm. Did you miss the part about working two or 3 jobs to make ends meet or second shifters? I'm glad you made the effort but that doesn't mean you are the rule because I'm here to tell you that you are very much the exception. It's extremely difficult for most single parents to support the family AND be that involved with their kids' school activities to that degree, especially on today's economy.
You know what the participation was for parent/teacher conference at my daughter's school was a few weeks ago? 10%. What I don't get is the line of thinking that says the teacher can't teach if the parent(s) doesn't show up at school every other week.
BTW...both of my kids are on the honor roll and one is set to graduate as Valedictorian of her class next spring, the other is in the top 5 of her class.
The rate for our school district (large suburb district) is only about 30%. It's not just the inner city schools that have the problems with parent participation either.

I also know that our teachers also were setting up "appointments" for those who do work different shifts and were not able to meet at the designated times they set up.

Depending on the school district and the teachers, the chances are there. But the parents also have to take the time to do it instead of just throwing their hands in the air and saying they can't.

It's much easier to give up than it is to try.
Really

Holland, MI

#160 Nov 21, 2012
wishful thinker wrote:
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Congratulations and I am quite calm. Did you miss the part about working two or 3 jobs to make ends meet or second shifters? I'm glad you made the effort but that doesn't mean you are the rule because I'm here to tell you that you are very much the exception. It's extremely difficult for most single parents to support the family AND be that involved with their kids' school activities to that degree, especially on today's economy.
You know what the participation was for parent/teacher conference at my daughter's school was a few weeks ago? 10%. What I don't get is the line of thinking that says the teacher can't teach if the parent(s) doesn't show up at school every other week.
BTW...both of my kids are on the honor roll and one is set to graduate as Valedictorian of her class next spring, the other is in the top 5 of her class.
I totally get your point about poor participation. I didn't show up at the school every other week. But, I did make darn sure that if there was an issue, the teacher and I talked on the phone and they didn't hesitate to call me on any occasion. The sad part is the people who could be more involved in their children's lives choose not to be and that is where the issues start.
SOS in Mesa

Phoenix, AZ

#161 Nov 21, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>I totally get your point about poor participation. I didn't show up at the school every other week. But, I did make darn sure that if there was an issue, the teacher and I talked on the phone and they didn't hesitate to call me on any occasion. The sad part is the people who could be more involved in their children's lives choose not to be and that is where the issues start.
Bingo.

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