free thinker

Farmington, MI

#45 Mar 15, 2013
Oneal wrote:
One thing is certain, when I'm outside the Grand Rapids city limits I'm going to check right and left before I proceed through any intersection. Who knows that an angry SIB might just be barreling through another red light!
Good policy is to check right and left twice before you proceed after the light turns green no matter where you are. It's saved me from getting t-boned more times than I can count as people run the light well after it's turned red, esepcially around GR.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#46 Mar 16, 2013
SIB and I don't agree on much but this is one where we do. Its up to the discretion of the individual cop who he decides to pull one over. I have seen it watched someone break a traffic law right in front of a cop and either he doesn't see or he just decides to let the person go. There are times when you have keep to going thru a changing light we have all been there and one hopes that some self righteous cop doesn't decide to pull you over.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#47 Mar 16, 2013
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
SIB and I don't agree on much but this is one where we do. Its up to the discretion of the individual cop who he decides to pull one over. I have seen it watched someone break a traffic law right in front of a cop and either he doesn't see or he just decides to let the person go. There are times when you have keep to going thru a changing light we have all been there and one hopes that some self righteous cop doesn't decide to pull you over.
If we all drove like SIB there would be no need for a yellow light at all. After all, it's pretty obvious she feels every light is green just for her and the other colors don't matter in her case. Go ahead and placate her feelings of being above the law, Shoeless. Just remember, it could be you t-boned by an angry red light-running SIB.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#48 Mar 16, 2013
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
SIB and I don't agree on much but this is one where we do. Its up to the discretion of the individual cop who he decides to pull one over. I have seen it watched someone break a traffic law right in front of a cop and either he doesn't see or he just decides to let the person go. There are times when you have keep to going thru a changing light we have all been there and one hopes that some self righteous cop doesn't decide to pull you over.
It was just an instance of when a police officer broke the law for monetary quota gain. But as usual there are those that for their own petty reasons have to blow it all out of proportion.

When we lived in the City of Wyoming and traveled 28th street a lot I noticed a pattern of whenever the State Police were patrolling 28th street the Grand Rapids Police were non-existent. And when the State Police moved off 28th street the Grand Rapids police were back in force. By chance I found out the MSP had been investigating and monitoring the GRPD for a long time.

People who know me, not pin-headed infantile agitators like Oneal, that have ridden with me have seen me avoid more bad situations with the gas pedal than most everyone else could with the brake pedal. Probably because having been a professional driver I know how to drive rather than just operate a vehicle.

But the point actually is police break the law more times than some want to believe. Sometimes by error of judgement and sometimes just because they have discretion.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#49 Mar 16, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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It was just an instance of when a police officer broke the law for monetary quota gain. But as usual there are those that for their own petty reasons have to blow it all out of proportion.
When we lived in the City of Wyoming and traveled 28th street a lot I noticed a pattern of whenever the State Police were patrolling 28th street the Grand Rapids Police were non-existent. And when the State Police moved off 28th street the Grand Rapids police were back in force. By chance I found out the MSP had been investigating and monitoring the GRPD for a long time.
People who know me, not pin-headed infantile agitators like Oneal, that have ridden with me have seen me avoid more bad situations with the gas pedal than most everyone else could with the brake pedal. Probably because having been a professional driver I know how to drive rather than just operate a vehicle.
But the point actually is police break the law more times than some want to believe. Sometimes by error of judgement and sometimes just because they have discretion.
From every indication, and by your own admission, you ran a frickin' red light and got a ticket - some 40+ years ago!- and to this day can't seem let it go. Get over it already! LOL It's obviously turned you into a sour old raisin and now the rest of us have to endure post after whiny post about your red light yellow light encounters.

Instead of analyzing the police you should unwrinkle yourself and learn that there is such a thing nowadays as a brake pedal, which happens to come in handy when one finds oneself staring at a yellow ...ahem, red ... traffic light.

Just trying to help you out, SIB, and maybe save some poor sap unlucky enough to be crossing the intersection when a cranky old old raisin comes barreling through, convinced traffic laws don't apply to her.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#50 Mar 16, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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From every indication, and by your own admission, you ran a frickin' red light and got a ticket - some 40+ years ago!- and to this day can't seem let it go. Get over it already! LOL It's obviously turned you into a sour old raisin and now the rest of us have to endure post after whiny post about your red light yellow light encounters.
Instead of analyzing the police you should unwrinkle yourself and learn that there is such a thing nowadays as a brake pedal, which happens to come in handy when one finds oneself staring at a yellow ...ahem, red ... traffic light.
Just trying to help you out, SIB, and maybe save some poor sap unlucky enough to be crossing the intersection when a cranky old old raisin comes barreling through, convinced traffic laws don't apply to her.
So if what you say about my being "a sour old raisin" is true, what's your excuse for being one? Even worse. It's got to be stupidity borne of bigotry. You're probably one of those left-laners that figures they'll get there faster because it's the left lane even though your doing 10mph under the speed limit because you're so afraid of getting a ticket.

You're incapable of providing anyone any help under all circumstances. You'd have to be awake and aware of the world around you to be able to. And you're NOT. You're so wrapped up in your own ego to be able to escape it.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#51 Mar 16, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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So if what you say about my being "a sour old raisin" is true, what's your excuse for being one? Even worse. It's got to be stupidity borne of bigotry. You're probably one of those left-laners that figures they'll get there faster because it's the left lane even though your doing 10mph under the speed limit because you're so afraid of getting a ticket.
You're incapable of providing anyone any help under all circumstances. You'd have to be awake and aware of the world around you to be able to. And you're NOT. You're so wrapped up in your own ego to be able to escape it.
Hes just "trying to help you out" LOL yep sounds like one of those brake riders they see a cop sitting on the side of the road and hits the brakes for no reason other than seeing a cop. Of course that is the whole thing, fear. There is a lot more to this at least for me than just traffic laws. Yes I have avoided more bad situations by accelerating than slowing down. Back to the law, we are so caught up (well not me so much) to obeying things . Obey the law obey your teachers or preachers or government obey obey cower be afraid its total indoctrination of our society. I could go and on about what I think about mans laws but whats the sense. I would rather be a lone wolf than in a heard of sheep... Its a hell of a lot safer..
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#52 Mar 16, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
Probably because having been a professional driver I know how to drive rather than just operate a vehicle.
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Really? What school did you go to and where was your license issued?
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#53 Mar 16, 2013
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
<quoted text>Hes just "trying to help you out" LOL yep sounds like one of those brake riders they see a cop sitting on the side of the road and hits the brakes for no reason other than seeing a cop. Of course that is the whole thing, fear. There is a lot more to this at least for me than just traffic laws. Yes I have avoided more bad situations by accelerating than slowing down. Back to the law, we are so caught up (well not me so much) to obeying things . Obey the law obey your teachers or preachers or government obey obey cower be afraid its total indoctrination of our society. I could go and on about what I think about mans laws but whats the sense. I would rather be a lone wolf than in a heard of sheep... Its a hell of a lot safer..
Good grief how old are you damned dustballs anyway? Can't you tell when someone is just yanking your rusty, stuck-in-the-mud chains?

It takes no effort whatsoever to send both you and SIB into cranky ranting tantrum, and it's virtually impossible for either of you to not have the last word, which makes it that much more entertaining to drag you along like a couple humorless cadavers.

Happy St. Pat's Day! Have a drink. Lord knows you could use it.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#54 Mar 16, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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Good grief how old are you damned dustballs anyway? Can't you tell when someone is just yanking your rusty, stuck-in-the-mud chains?
It takes no effort whatsoever to send both you and SIB into cranky ranting tantrum, and it's virtually impossible for either of you to not have the last word, which makes it that much more entertaining to drag you along like a couple humorless cadavers.
Happy St. Pat's Day! Have a drink. Lord knows you could use it.
You can have the last word.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#55 Mar 17, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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You can have the last word.
Thanks. There's a lesson for all of us here: it's not good being bitter toward the police, and certainly an entire city, simply because 40+ years ago you got a ticket for running a red light.

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#56 Mar 17, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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Good grief how old are you damned dustballs anyway? Can't you tell when someone is just yanking your rusty, stuck-in-the-mud chains?
It takes no effort whatsoever to send both you and SIB into cranky ranting tantrum, and it's virtually impossible for either of you to not have the last word, which makes it that much more entertaining to drag you along like a couple humorless cadavers.
Happy St. Pat's Day! Have a drink. Lord knows you could use it.
Talk about pulling chains.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#57 Mar 17, 2013
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
<quoted text>Talk about pulling chains.
He just likes being an agitator. He seems to think it'll be believable he's just being funny like sitting around the table at a bar with a bunch of buddies making little snide remarks believing them to all be in jest. Being clueless to the reality that in a text format voice and body language isn't noticeable.

He's just an agitator and gets a huge trill at trying to put across he's some kind of an intellectual giant. Not even anonymity can hide the truth.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#58 Mar 17, 2013
Oneal wrote:
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Good grief how old are you damned dustballs anyway? Can't you tell when someone is just yanking your rusty, stuck-in-the-mud chains?
It takes no effort whatsoever to send both you and SIB into cranky ranting tantrum, and it's virtually impossible for either of you to not have the last word, which makes it that much more entertaining to drag you along like a couple humorless cadavers.
Happy St. Pat's Day! Have a drink. Lord knows you could use it.
You seem like the cranky old fart stuck in the mud.. I did have a great S P Day it started on Friday here in Traverse. Yep that ticket I got in 1974 stays with me because what happened according to the cop was a lie but just try to prove it, it was his word against two 17 year old's it changed the way I looked at the whole system of justice how someone who is a law enforcement officer could lie to a judge and of course in court you just cant stand up and call someone a liar. We even had a public defender tell us to plead guilty he is now a judge, Dennis Lieber. Some things you just don't forget the system is rigged.
Sassy

Grand Rapids, MI

#59 Mar 17, 2013
I am sorry you had that experience. I actually did run a red light many years ago. I was running to the store and had my son in the car. We were both seat belted in. As I was going through the red light, I heard a horn honking. Did the person hit me honk and try to brake, I will never know, nor do I care. I was in the wrong. They ripped off the back bumper of my car, and I immediately got out of the car to make sure everyone was okay. I did the mother thing and threw my arm in front of my son to hold him back even though he was seat belted in. We called the police, and I took full responsibility. I received excellent care from the officer. I think it was because I took full responsibility. I never got a ticket and he helped me put the bumper in the trunk of my car. My husband and brother fixed it later. There was a small piece of rubber missing from the others car. The sued me for the $500 with regards to PIPA damage, but they had the right. My insurance company forgave me for it, and all was well.
SeenItBefore wrote:
40+ years ago I was traveling south on Monroe after picking my brother up from work just after midnight; just as I entered the intersection of Monroe and Michigan/Bridge the light turned yellow. Approaching the intersection I saw a GR police car at the light facing south on Michigan and said oh oh when I saw the light change. I'd gotten almost down to where Lakos was when he turned his lights on.
The short of it is, when he got to my car he said I had run a yellow light. When He came back from his car and handed me the ticket it said, ran a red light and light was red before reaching the intersection.
Of course my witness was of no use as he had another cop with him also. Which he was sure to let me know about.
My father grew up in GR and even tough he had several connections with local governments and especially the Kent County Sheriff he said the Grand Rapids Police Department had been corrupted and crooked from back when he was a young man.
The only time I go into Grand Rapids City proper is if something is going on I really want to do that that's the only venue.
Make it look as pretty as they want. It's still not a friendly place unless you have the money to give them. Talking about the City. Not necessarily the people. It's a town for making money first and foremost.
Chip

Winnebago, IL

#60 Mar 17, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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I say this just one more time to you ignoramus. In accordance with the law I had not run a red light. That's the LAW. Look it up. Oh, that's right, you don't look up anything. You depend on others to prove to you so you can bitch at them for it being just their opinion or that of some subversive source, in your opinion.
But then as you have proven the law means nothing you. It's the discretion of the enforcers that means everything to you. And yes police officers have complete discretion and it's up to the "violator" prove otherwise in a court.
The cop was doing his job. He seen your Obama sticker and issued you a ticket for driving while stupid.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#61 Mar 17, 2013
Chip wrote:
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The cop was doing his job. He seen your Obama sticker and issued you a ticket for driving while stupid.
Whatever tips your cup Oneal.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#62 Mar 17, 2013
Sassy wrote:
I am sorry you had that experience. I actually did run a red light many years ago. I was running to the store and had my son in the car. We were both seat belted in. As I was going through the red light, I heard a horn honking. Did the person hit me honk and try to brake, I will never know, nor do I care. I was in the wrong. They ripped off the back bumper of my car, and I immediately got out of the car to make sure everyone was okay. I did the mother thing and threw my arm in front of my son to hold him back even though he was seat belted in. We called the police, and I took full responsibility. I received excellent care from the officer. I think it was because I took full responsibility. I never got a ticket and he helped me put the bumper in the trunk of my car. My husband and brother fixed it later. There was a small piece of rubber missing from the others car. The sued me for the $500 with regards to PIPA damage, but they had the right. My insurance company forgave me for it, and all was well.
<quoted text>
It was just relating one instance many years ago Sassy to relate how police officers can and do break the law that's been intentionally distorted by the agitators for their personal thrills.
Oneil

Hudsonville, MI

#63 Mar 18, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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Whatever tips your cup Oneal.
I wasn';t wearing a cup.
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#64 Mar 18, 2013
Shoeless Eluder wrote:
<quoted text>You seem like the cranky old fart stuck in the mud.. I did have a great S P Day it started on Friday here in Traverse. Yep that ticket I got in 1974 stays with me because what happened according to the cop was a lie but just try to prove it, it was his word against two 17 year old's it changed the way I looked at the whole system of justice how someone who is a law enforcement officer could lie to a judge and of course in court you just cant stand up and call someone a liar. We even had a public defender tell us to plead guilty he is now a judge, Dennis Lieber. Some things you just don't forget the system is rigged.
I'm done arguing with you two about this ridiculousness, but between the two of us I'm not the one stuck on a ticket from '74! That was pretty close to when I was born, so to think someone has been harboring a grudge over a traffic ticket for almost my entire life seems to me to take the prize of "stuck in the mud". You can either accept that or not.

However, I genuinely am glad you had a great St. Pat's day - and Traverse is a beautiful place to be.

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