Witness says he saw missing Iowa girls after their disappearance

Jul 17, 2012 Full story: KWQC-TV Davenport 478

An Evansdale resident told The Des Moines Register Tuesday morning that he saw Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Morrissey ride their bikes past his house Friday afternoon.

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Ashley

Greensboro, NC

#442 Jan 27, 2013
She swore under oath that she was a self supporting prostitute at 13, that she was with this man by her own consent. This is ignored by law and has no bearing on the case. I understand that. Where are the parents in this? They havenít done much of a parental job in their responsibility to raise this girl or even keep up with her whereabouts just like the Morrissey and Collins family in allowing their children to be kidnapped off the street by turning their backs on them. Just because my daughter would have the law on her side in any decision she made at 13 and admits the truh of it, I would certainly not let her stupid actions ruin the life of someone she deceived with lies. Itís a moral issue here with this case. To think that in 1980 a 13 year old did not know or has not been taught the rights and wrongs of sexual promiscuity by parents is disgusting to the core. If the 13 year old had truly been kidnapped, drugged and raped without her consent, it would be different altogether. Again, I understand the law completely. Where does moral obligation start? It should have never went to the courtroom. Only the parents made this decision to hang him.
Curious

Aubrey, TX

#443 Jan 27, 2013
Ashley wrote:
She swore under oath that she was a self supporting prostitute at 13, that she was with this man by her own consent. This is ignored by law and has no bearing on the case. I understand that. Where are the parents in this? They havenít done much of a parental job in their responsibility to raise this girl or even keep up with her whereabouts just like the Morrissey and Collins family in allowing their children to be kidnapped off the street by turning their backs on them. Just because my daughter would have the law on her side in any decision she made at 13 and admits the truh of it, I would certainly not let her stupid actions ruin the life of someone she deceived with lies. Itís a moral issue here with this case. To think that in 1980 a 13 year old did not know or has not been taught the rights and wrongs of sexual promiscuity by parents is disgusting to the core. If the 13 year old had truly been kidnapped, drugged and raped without her consent, it would be different altogether. Again, I understand the law completely. Where does moral obligation start? It should have never went to the courtroom. Only the parents made this decision to hang him.
And who was her pimp, Anderson? Marijuana, cocaine and LSD were found in his home when they searched it regarding the sex abuse case. Whether she told him she was 16 and she was actually only 13, she was still underage and only a pervert/pedo would engage in underage sex.

Bad parenting or not, it's still illegal. Some parents do their best raising a child and they go in the opposite direction. Unlike the Morrissey's, in my opinion they weren't good role models. Up until I heard that Heather Collins is friends with a known sex offender, Hope Martin Anderson, I'm not too sure about her parenting now.

Would like to know why Hope Martin Anderson is not required to be listed as a sex offender.
amama

United States

#444 Jan 27, 2013
Ashley wrote:
She swore under oath that she was a self supporting prostitute at 13, that she was with this man by her own consent. This is ignored by law and has no bearing on the case. I understand that. Where are the parents in this? They havenít done much of a parental job in their responsibility to raise this girl or even keep up with her whereabouts just like the Morrissey and Collins family in allowing their children to be kidnapped off the street by turning their backs on them. Just because my daughter would have the law on her side in any decision she made at 13 and admits the truh of it, I would certainly not let her stupid actions ruin the life of someone she deceived with lies. Itís a moral issue here with this case. To think that in 1980 a 13 year old did not know or has not been taught the rights and wrongs of sexual promiscuity by parents is disgusting to the core. If the 13 year old had truly been kidnapped, drugged and raped without her consent, it would be different altogether. Again, I understand the law completely. Where does moral obligation start? It should have never went to the courtroom. Only the parents made this decision to hang him.
"They havenít done much of a parental job in their responsibility to raise this girl or even keep up with her whereabouts just like the Morrissey and Collins family in allowing their children to be kidnapped off the street by turning their backs on them"

Seriously?!?!
King George

Seymour, IN

#445 Jan 27, 2013
Gypsy wrote:
Hope Martin (Buzz) Anderson.yes,that is his real name.As i said not good at getting things from one page to the next.Very interesting read.And if you go to current times.Even more intersting.
Thank you. I was able to find the news article.
King George

Seymour, IN

#446 Jan 27, 2013
Ashley wrote:
She swore under oath that she was a self supporting prostitute at 13, that she was with this man by her own consent. This is ignored by law and has no bearing on the case. I understand that. Where are the parents in this? They havenít done much of a parental job in their responsibility to raise this girl or even keep up with her whereabouts just like the Morrissey and Collins family in allowing their children to be kidnapped off the street by turning their backs on them. Just because my daughter would have the law on her side in any decision she made at 13 and admits the truh of it, I would certainly not let her stupid actions ruin the life of someone she deceived with lies. Itís a moral issue here with this case. To think that in 1980 a 13 year old did not know or has not been taught the rights and wrongs of sexual promiscuity by parents is disgusting to the core. If the 13 year old had truly been kidnapped, drugged and raped without her consent, it would be different altogether. Again, I understand the law completely. Where does moral obligation start? It should have never went to the courtroom. Only the parents made this decision to hang him.
Oh, Ashley, PLEASE!!
You want us to believe that Anderson was the "victim". Really? You think that this man was taken in by a manipulative, conniving, 13 year old child?
And you say this child was a prostitute? Was Anderson selling her to his friends?
I doubt that you'll find much sympathy here for this pedophile.
Gypsy

Manchester, IA

#447 Jan 28, 2013
Seriousely Ashley,you are defending a pedo.OMG,i have to ask what is wrong with that!!!13 years old,and Buzzy,with money and probably scared to death that she was wrong???no way does a 13 year old girl,more so back then,know what she is doing.LSD,he had to drug her.I am livid you would even blame the child,he was 30 something.Good grief!!
Gypsy

Manchester, IA

#448 Jan 28, 2013
And also,about the Collins,Chuck Way,best friends with Drew Collins busted 20 counts,public knowledge.Stayed at their house after release from prison.There were photos on his f/b page,but they are down now.This whole case is narly!!
Gypsy

Manchester, IA

#449 Jan 28, 2013
Sorry that name is Clark Way,Ashley had me a little upset..lol
King George

Seymour, IN

#450 Jan 29, 2013
Gypsy wrote:
Seriousely Ashley,you are defending a pedo.OMG,i have to ask what is wrong with that!!!13 years old,and Buzzy,with money and probably scared to death that she was wrong???no way does a 13 year old girl,more so back then,know what she is doing.LSD,he had to drug her.I am livid you would even blame the child,he was 30 something.Good grief!!
Check this out!
People petitioned the court begging that Buzz not be sent to prison for this crime. The petition said that he had suffered enough, and if he was sent to prison, his life might be in danger.
http://newspaperarchive.com/waterloo-courier/...

Unbelievable.
Have been trying to figure out what exactly it is that his company Anderson Enterprises does. I searched, but can not find any details about the business. There is no advertising. No hours of operation are listed anywhere. One site showed that the business had only 1-4 employees, and another showed Elvin Haugen as the manager. The only Elvin Haugen I could find in Iowa died in 2006. The business is listed under contractors, but I read an article claiming Buzz was a real estate agent.
From what I've read, he obviously has money. I wonder what business Anderson Enterprises conducts to make him such money?
Gypsy

Manchester, IA

#451 Jan 29, 2013
Buzzy has ties to the Bertch's who own the casino in Waterloo,ia.Don't know exactly what ties,but i feel they are all tied to a pedo ring.The Bertch's are Tammy Bertch's ex's relatives.this is all my own opinion.But feel there is some tie somewhere,just can't shake it,have always felt this way.And another good read is guy Patrick Eastman,also an ex of dear sister Tammy,released like 2 weeks before the girls went missing.and no one seems to be able to locate him.He is off paper so who knows.Misty rolled on him in her case in early 2003(?).all connected imoo.
bill

Palm Springs, CA

#452 Jan 31, 2013
Gypsy wrote:
Buzzy has ties to the Bertch's who own the casino in Waterloo,ia.Don't know exactly what ties,but i feel they are all tied to a pedo ring.The Bertch's are Tammy Bertch's ex's relatives.this is all my own opinion.But feel there is some tie somewhere,just can't shake it,have always felt this way.And another good read is guy Patrick Eastman,also an ex of dear sister Tammy,released like 2 weeks before the girls went missing.and no one seems to be able to locate him.He is off paper so who knows.Misty rolled on him in her case in early 2003(?).all connected imoo.
Thanks for the info Gypsy. Please continue to share what you know.
Laura

Tucson, AZ

#454 Feb 6, 2013
CA had a sex offender registry in 1947, it wasn't until 1994 that became public and certain other information was approved by the Supreme Court in notifications in 1996, I believe. Anyone prior to 1994 we haven't a clue if they are a perv or not. Many other laws for pedos have been updated but you'll have to look it up.

From what I've read the Bertch's just owned the land that the Casino was built on. They don't own the casino. The sold it but will check or heck, check the property records in Iowa yourselves.

Hmmm. Gypsy, you seem to have some facts tangled up. I'll try to untangle them when I have time. It's not how you state it though. Close but incorrect on a lot.
Gypsy

Manchester, IA

#455 Feb 7, 2013
That's ok Laura,please straighten me out.I have so many notes from the last 6 months,no doubt they are intertwined.So please any info you have would be greatly appreciated...Thanks.
wondering 2

United States

#456 Apr 2, 2013
Just read a message that elizabeth will be laid to rest, saturday may 4th .my prayers for the family that they not only have peace but justice for these beautiful girls...

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#457 Apr 27, 2013
King George wrote:
<quoted text>
Gypsy, please post a link to the newspaper article concerning this guy.
The fact that he held the 13 year old girl captive is interesting. Remember, a few weeks into the investigation, the FBI was telling the public that they believed the cousins were still alive. That would insinuate that the girls were being held by someone.
I couldn't figure out how the FBI would be so sure that these girls were still alive, unless they had some kind of contact with the abductor. There was never any talk of ransom, and that wouldn't really be logical because these girls weren't from a wealthy family.
I found this comment at the Blink On Crime site.
"At the end of July, message boards lit up that a girl on backpage matched Elizabeth and people alerted backpage and the owner quickly removed the photo and allegedly contacted authorities. Then a media statement was released a few days later:
FBI spokeswoman Sandy Breault said authorities ďfeel stronglyĒ that 10-year-old Lyric Cook-Morrissey and 8-year-old Elizabeth Collins have not been killed. She refused to say what led authorities to that conclusion, but urged anyone with information about their disappearance to contact law enforcement."
http://blinkoncrime.com/2012/12/06/missing-io...
Backpage seems to be something like craigslist, but, they are under pressure for promoting child prostitution.
http://trenchreynolds.me/2012/08/05/minneapol...
http://www.krdo.com/news/Children-sold-for-se...
www.blinkoncrime.net

Christina Stoy is not a reliable source, and her website is full of speculation, libel, misinformation and sensationalism. Anything read on her site should be considered false until proven true.
King George

Seymour, IN

#458 May 1, 2013
Antiblink wrote:
<quoted text>
www.blinkoncrime.net
Christina Stoy is not a reliable source, and her website is full of speculation, libel, misinformation and sensationalism. Anything read on her site should be considered false until proven true.
Stoy did not report that Elizabeth was seen on the Backpage website. This information was included in a comment from a poster calling himself mas.
While there is no reason to believe that this poster is telling the truth, there is also no reason to believe that he is not telling the truth.
I've researched quite a few missing and or murdered children cases, and this is the first time I've seen a situation in which the FBI claimed to "strongly believe" that the children were still alive. Although, the FBI spokeswoman refused to say what led authorities to that conclusion, logic would tell us that SOMETHING led them to believe this.
There had to have been some form of contact from the abductors, or one or both of the girls had to have been positively seen in order to conclude that they were still alive.
So, while I'm not saying this comment is the absolute truth, I'm also not disregarding it. It is the only thing so far that I've found that points directly to a reason that the FBI would believe the girls were still alive at that time.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#459 May 1, 2013
King George wrote:
<quoted text>
Stoy did not report that Elizabeth was seen on the Backpage website. This information was included in a comment from a poster calling himself mas.
While there is no reason to believe that this poster is telling the truth, there is also no reason to believe that he is not telling the truth.
I've researched quite a few missing and or murdered children cases, and this is the first time I've seen a situation in which the FBI claimed to "strongly believe" that the children were still alive. Although, the FBI spokeswoman refused to say what led authorities to that conclusion, logic would tell us that SOMETHING led them to believe this.
There had to have been some form of contact from the abductors, or one or both of the girls had to have been positively seen in order to conclude that they were still alive.
So, while I'm not saying this comment is the absolute truth, I'm also not disregarding it. It is the only thing so far that I've found that points directly to a reason that the FBI would believe the girls were still alive at that time.
I was not referring to this case at all, simply blinkoncrime in general.

I realize it's unfair to divert discussion, and it's a disservice to Elizabeth and Lyric.

I'm sorry for the distraction.
weary

Laurel, MS

#460 May 17, 2013
I wish someone would speak up. But, sad as it is, it is probably someone the family talks to a lot. Look at Cleveland Ohio. Nobody suspected him and look how strange it was for anyone who visited his house. That was not even a red flag. The Evansdale booger, probably has no profile with the law. It may take years, I hope not. People of Evansdale, take a good look, I mean a GOOD look at everyone you Think you know. Keep looking. Question everything.
Gypsy

Manchester, IA

#461 May 17, 2013
I hope it does not take years!This is very hard on a lot of concerned people that got involved and fell in love with these two innocent children.The rumor going around is there is DNA but not from someone in the data base.So that would tell me someone close,but never in serious trouble.Just wish L/E would confirm that there is no danger to others,or if there is danger hold your children close "the killer walks among us" was a strange statement for L/E to make and then nothing for months..Strange...
King George

Seymour, IN

#462 May 21, 2013
Sadly, I don't think there will be any arrests made. IMO, LE have known for quite some time who did this.
I believe one or more with a little power like little girls, and the focus of this investigation has been more on protecting the pedophiles that harmed these girls, than arresting them.

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