Christ is NOT against Abortion nor Gays

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Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#1 Oct 11, 2012
No where in the bible, the Christian bible, not the rewritten born again evangelical bible, does it say that Christ is against abortion nor homosexuality. GOD never was against homosexuality, just the guys who are given credit for the chapters.

So, what's the REAL reason for the born again huff about this? To impose their hate filled religion onto my secular government and to stop women from having any rights.
Meee

Bronx, NY

#2 Oct 14, 2012
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Cookie_Parker wrote:
No where in the bible, the Christian bible, not the rewritten born again evangelical bible, does it say that Christ is against abortion nor homosexuality. GOD never was against homosexuality, just the guys who are given credit for the chapters.
So, what's the REAL reason for the born again huff about this? To impose their hate filled religion onto my secular government and to stop women from having any rights.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#3 Oct 14, 2012
Meee wrote:
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
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These are jewish laws NOT those coming from Christ...NOT In leviticus.

Seems to me you need to read your Bible and tell your preacherman he's lying to you.
doug

Tsumeb, Namibia

#4 Oct 15, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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These are jewish laws NOT those coming from Christ...NOT In leviticus.
Seems to me you need to read your Bible and tell your preacherman he's lying to you.
you have no idea what you are talking about, you have never read the Bible,(May God open your eyes)
but the scriptures says they have eyes to see but they are blind they have ears to hear but they are death cannot hear,( this is not Jewish laws i have the Jewish Bible and they condemn men who sleep with men, By the way i do not depend on a preacher man, i have studied the Bible for the past 32 yrs .
May God forgive you.
read the king james Bible you will Even find God's name in there

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#5 Oct 15, 2012
doug wrote:
<quoted text> you have no idea what you are talking about, you have never read the Bible,(May God open your eyes)
but the scriptures says they have eyes to see but they are blind they have ears to hear but they are death cannot hear,( this is not Jewish laws i have the Jewish Bible and they condemn men who sleep with men, By the way i do not depend on a preacher man, i have studied the Bible for the past 32 yrs .
May God forgive you.
read the king james Bible you will Even find God's name in there
I've clearly been a Christian (NOT a born again evangeical) and I CLEARLY have read the bible).

YOu, on the otherhand,offer NOTHING that shows Christ was against abortion and gays. Seems to me, all you have to offer is that Born again evangelical cult judgment....tsk, tsk, tsk...so unChrist like.
doug

Tsumeb, Namibia

#6 Oct 16, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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I've clearly been a Christian (NOT a born again evangeical) and I CLEARLY have read the bible).
YOu, on the otherhand,offer NOTHING that shows Christ was against abortion and gays. Seems to me, all you have to offer is that Born again evangelical cult judgment....tsk, tsk, tsk...so unChrist like.
miss parker i feel very sorry for you (just imagine do you think it is natural for two men to do the sex act with each other
Why did God make (woman, eve for Adam ) read the part of Lot and his Family Sodem and Gemoro why was the city destroyed BECAUSE of men who sleep with men ,it is a sin and will always be a SIN.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#7 Oct 16, 2012
doug wrote:
<quoted text> miss parker i feel very sorry for you (just imagine do you think it is natural for two men to do the sex act with each other
Why did God make (woman, eve for Adam ) read the part of Lot and his Family Sodem and Gemoro why was the city destroyed BECAUSE of men who sleep with men ,it is a sin and will always be a SIN.
Why did god make gays? Why did god maked deformed children? Why did god make mentally ill people?

We are all in god's image. Including gays, Muslims, minorities, etc.

Explain to me why god made gays and why Jewish men in the old testament found homosexuality odd.

Explain to me why Christ never said being gay, nor having an abortion, was wrong.
wondering 2

United States

#8 Oct 16, 2012
Cookie parker, when you read the bible....go slow, so that maybe you'll understand. God says we are not to miss quote his word ir change it to fit our needs ..if you really want answers open the bible. God is against homosexuality...im sure you already know this .....i will pray for you so that you might come to understand the word of god.im not judging you ..just saying you must not have read the bible..

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#9 Oct 16, 2012
wondering 2 wrote:
Cookie parker, when you read the bible....go slow, so that maybe you'll understand. God says we are not to miss quote his word ir change it to fit our needs ..if you really want answers open the bible. God is against homosexuality...im sure you already know this .....i will pray for you so that you might come to understand the word of god.im not judging you ..just saying you must not have read the bible..
And yet, you don't even understand it well enough to discuss the issues.

NO where in Christ's teachings is he against abortion in the Christian bible. In fact, God is FOR abortion.

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention.“Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?

Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.

Numbers 31:17 (Moses)“Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?

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NO where in the Christian bible is Christ against gays.

YOu can choose to try to NOT discuss this, but the fact is, those who use Leviticus and say it is GOD who is against homosexuals and say that abortion is against Christ's will are NOT Christians....just repubilcans wanting to have control over when a woman gets pregnant, how many times and by whom. And your own leaders of the born again evangelical movement are promoting abortions for corporations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/ral...

As head of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, Reed boasts he's building a political dynamo of five million members with a massive database, an annual budget of $100 million and full-time lobbyists in all fifty state capitals, a colossal effort aimed at putting in place a right-wing social agenda and identifying and establishing contact with what it estimates as 27 million conservative voters in America. As you can imagine, with clout like that, Reed and his coalition were in high cotton at the Tampa convention.

Which brings us to that curious Mariana Islands minimum wage plank in the Republican platform. Some years ago, our government made an effort to clean up sweatshops on the islands -- including Saipan -- that have been under the control of the United States since the end of World War II.

Chinese women were brought over to the islands to work under awful conditions -- subject to forced abortions and prostitution and paid pennies for producing garments labeled "Made in the USA."

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THOSE are the born again evangelical values regarding women..forced abortions and forced prostitution.
doug

Tsumeb, Namibia

#10 Oct 17, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Why did god make gays? Why did god maked deformed children? Why did god make mentally ill people?
We are all in god's image. Including gays, Muslims, minorities, etc.
Explain to me why god made gays and why Jewish men in the old testament found homosexuality odd.
Explain to me why Christ never said being gay, nor having an abortion, was wrong.
God did not make gay people, when Adam and Eve sinned we all inherited sin, the scriptures clearly states that we where conceived in sin therefore we are all sinners and imperfect. God does not cause bad conditions in this world
James 1:14 but each one is tempted by his own lusts being drawn out and being seduced by them. Gen.18:20 And the lord said because the cry of Sodom and gomorrah is great,because their sin is very grievous.read further Gen:19:15,13, Jude1:7 Evin as sodom and gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner ,giving them selves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh ,are set forth as a example suffering the vengeance of eternal fire
Heb 13:4 marriage is honorable in the bed and undefiled (by they way have you ever seen male animals doing what they do) the scriptures says they lower themselves lower than animals. Mat 19:4 have you not read , that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female.1 Thess That every one of you should know how to posses his vessel in sanctification and honor, Amen What honor is there for those who are lower than animals

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#11 Oct 17, 2012
doug wrote:
<quoted text>God did not make gay people, when Adam and Eve sinned we all inherited sin, the scriptures clearly states that we where conceived in sin therefore we are all sinners and imperfect. God does not cause bad conditions in this world
James 1:14 but each one is tempted by his own lusts being drawn out and being seduced by them. Gen.18:20 And the lord said because the cry of Sodom and gomorrah is great,because their sin is very grievous.read further Gen:19:15,13, Jude1:7 Evin as sodom and gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner ,giving them selves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh ,are set forth as a example suffering the vengeance of eternal fire
Heb 13:4 marriage is honorable in the bed and undefiled (by they way have you ever seen male animals doing what they do) the scriptures says they lower themselves lower than animals. Mat 19:4 have you not read , that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female.1 Thess That every one of you should know how to posses his vessel in sanctification and honor, Amen What honor is there for those who are lower than animals
God made gays. You can't twist and turn the bible for your leisure to support your hatred anymore. People are sick and tired of the ignorant talking about things they don't know and using a collections of myths to prove it.

You're quoting Jewish law, not god's word. You folk don't even know the difference between what god proclaimed and what the jewish leaders like Leviticus said. Because many of the born again bible references are found in Leviticus, you guys aren't Christians. Your hatred for gays is not Christian like.

Be careful to not follow the devil into the dungeon of hatred.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-besen/fam...

Who is Perkins kidding? By that reasoning, one could argue that Perkins has given out more licenses than the DMV, given his history of overheated rhetoric. After all, this is a man who started his political career by purchasing former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke's mailing list.

Most worrisome most about Perkins' reckless rhetoric is that he has repeatedly made the phony case that liberals and the gay and lesbian community are trying to take away the rights of Christian fundamentalists. If one examines FRC's direct mail campaigns, it appears as if Perkins is deliberately trying to incite his followers.

For example, in an April 10, 2012, fundraising appeal, Perkins ends his rant against marriage equality by offering a specious "religious liberty" argument: "We can't afford to lose. This is not just about marriage. This is about losing the freedom to raise our children in the faith -- because the Left wants to drive our faith into hiding, in a dark and forgotten corner of our culture."

In May 2012 Perkins sent his followers an alarmist letter: "Are we close to actual tyranny in America?... Are we closer to losing our basic freedoms than any time since the American Revolution?"

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Being hateful and judgmental will get you into h3ll. Being homosexual, won't.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#12 Oct 17, 2012
doug wrote:
<quoted text>God did not make gay people, when Adam and Eve sinned we all inherited sin, the scriptures clearly states that we where conceived in sin therefore we are all sinners and imperfect. God does not cause bad conditions in this world
James 1:14 but each one is tempted by his own lusts being drawn out and being seduced by them. Gen.18:20 And the lord said because the cry of Sodom and gomorrah is great,because their sin is very grievous.read further Gen:19:15,13, Jude1:7 Evin as sodom and gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner ,giving them selves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh ,are set forth as a example suffering the vengeance of eternal fire
Heb 13:4 marriage is honorable in the bed and undefiled (by they way have you ever seen male animals doing what they do) the scriptures says they lower themselves lower than animals. Mat 19:4 have you not read , that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female.1 Thess That every one of you should know how to posses his vessel in sanctification and honor, Amen What honor is there for those who are lower than animals
Show me where Christ said being homosexual is a sin. Christians follow the teachings of Christ, not the jewish laws of the old testament.

I guess you already know that abortion is not a sin.
Steve

Kalona, IA

#13 Oct 23, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Show me where Christ said being homosexual is a sin. Christians follow the teachings of Christ, not the jewish laws of the old testament.
I guess you already know that abortion is not a sin.
The Jesus that we call Christ was Jewish and the Christian bible includes the Old and New Testaments. Jesus is in the New Testament, but he quotes the Old Testament law throughout His teachings. One clear example is in Matthew 5. If you can explain to me how Jesus does not agree with the Old Testament laws after reading this, then I don't think your understanding of scripture is correct.

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

If you want to move on to the book of Romans as the Christian church was being formed, read Romans 1:24-27 and expand it to the whole chapter and book to not take it out of context as Paul, "a servant of Christ".

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#14 Oct 23, 2012
Steve wrote:
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The Jesus that we call Christ was Jewish and the Christian bible includes the Old and New Testaments. Jesus is in the New Testament, but he quotes the Old Testament law throughout His teachings. One clear example is in Matthew 5. If you can explain to me how Jesus does not agree with the Old Testament laws after reading this, then I don't think your understanding of scripture is correct.
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
If you want to move on to the book of Romans as the Christian church was being formed, read Romans 1:24-27 and expand it to the whole chapter and book to not take it out of context as Paul, "a servant of Christ".
Actually, Christians PRACTICE the teachings of Christ. YOUR interpretation of Christ makes you a born again evangelical reading the rewritten bible of the FalWell/Robertson Dominionists....and that's not the Christian Bible.

Bottomline is, neither Christ nor god were against abortion nor gays. Leveticus and Peter were against gays...and applied the Jewish laws to their edicts....not Christ.
Steve

Kalona, IA

#15 Oct 23, 2012
What bible are you refering to as the "Christian Bible"? You apparently refer to the Old testament scriptures in your argument that God is for abortion.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#16 Oct 23, 2012
Steve wrote:
What bible are you refering to as the "Christian Bible"? You apparently refer to the Old testament scriptures in your argument that God is for abortion.
NIV and all those written for the born again evangelists. Yes, God was for abortion and it's in the old testament.

http://www.evilbible.com/god%27s%20not%20pro-...

I see so many retarded ass Christians talking about abortion being a crime against God. It’s not a wonder that they are hard pressed to find a conclusive biblical statement to corroborate their position. In their determination to control women they have been forced to rely on exceedingly weak sections such as “thou shall not kill”,”I kneweth thou in the womb” and their favorite:“When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth...“--Exodus 21:22-24 The problem here is that the man who injures a pregnant woman in the process, shall repay her according to the degree of injury inflicted on her, not the fetus. I am often dumbfounded at how Christians can assume that abortion is wrong judging by these feeble verses when the Bible clearly advocates infanticide and many other atrocities against children and pregnant women. I can no longer allow such ignorance of the Bible and deem it necessary to expose the true agenda. I am tired of the many young Christians who are brainwashed by their clergy. They are only taught the “love and mercy” parts of the Bible and never bother to read what is not so openly preached . The Church thrives off of speaking in half truths and concealing their blood soaked robes. Of course my job as preacher of an Atheist parish is to give a sermon about those things that the Bible TRUTHFULLY commands. Here they are, god’s views on the unborn, the actions of righteous men” and god’s commands of infanticide and child abuse:(note-There are Torah verses in this list but I will not attack the Jewish faith for being pro-life since they are not rampant advocates of the matter.)



Abortion:

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention.“Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?

Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.

Numbers 31:17 (Moses)“Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?

doug

Tsumeb, Namibia

#17 Oct 24, 2012
doug wrote:
<quoted text> miss parker i feel very sorry for you (just imagine do you think it is natural for two men to do the sex act with each other
Why did God make (woman, eve for Adam ) read the part of Lot and his Family Sodem and Gemoro why was the city destroyed BECAUSE of men who sleep with men ,it is a sin and will always be a SIN.
rom.1:27 and likewise, the males ALSO forsaking the natural use of the female,burned in their lust towards one another, males with males working out SHAMEFULNESS, and receiving back within themselves the reward which was fitting for their error. 1Corr.6:9 they will not receive the kingdom of God.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#18 Oct 24, 2012
doug wrote:
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rom.1:27 and likewise, the males ALSO forsaking the natural use of the female,burned in their lust towards one another, males with males working out SHAMEFULNESS, and receiving back within themselves the reward which was fitting for their error. 1Corr.6:9 they will not receive the kingdom of God.
Notice how Christ did NOT say those things, but rather Paul did in his letter to the Romans and Corinthians. If it were something CHRIST endorsed, instead of dogma Paul wanted to be part of the religion he was creating 70 years after Christ's death, it would have said "Chris said".

Read the passages, people, in a bible other than that created to revise and remake Christianity into a pro-rich political cult

1 Corinthians 6:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#19 Oct 24, 2012
doug wrote:
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rom.1:27 and likewise, the males ALSO forsaking the natural use of the female,burned in their lust towards one another, males with males working out SHAMEFULNESS, and receiving back within themselves the reward which was fitting for their error. 1Corr.6:9 they will not receive the kingdom of God.
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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I don't notice homosexuals...but I do recognize born again evangelicals.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#20 Oct 24, 2012
The above is Romans 1: 21-32

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