Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies
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#23936
Mar 21, 2013
Warren County Educational Service Center Report 2012
Page 10 discussing High Schools That Work standards and our backsliding DECREASES in key areas. Why the School Should Continue to Address This Key Practice. According to Table 8, ONLY 43% Of SHS students have completed the HSTW recommended curriculum (Ohio Core), a 34 percent DECREASE from 2008. Although interviews indicate that this sharp decrease is the result of changes in the process for coding transcripts, versus changes in curriculum, the DECREASE is still noteworthy. Only 60% of SHS students completed 4 credits of CP English, a DECREASE of 33% from 2008. There was a 5% DECREASE between 2008 and 2010 with 77% of students completing 4 credits of CP mathematics. 80% completed three credits of CP science, a decrease of 12% from 2008. Only 55% of SHS students completed at least one concentration, 30% below the HSTW goal. SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and 1B, physical science, US History, and World History). Thus, not all students experience a collegepreparatory curriculum. Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that CONTRARY TO the HSTW philosophy, SHS believes that offering low~level courses is in the best interest of students. This belief, however, was NOT SUBSTANTIATED by research or data. 

#23937
Mar 21, 2013
Warren County Educational Service Center audit of the program of studies 2012.
Professional educators hired by Mr. Petrey to provide an unbiased look at our program of studies and how we are doing with the High Schools That Work program. Page 10 https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS... All pages, go to post number 23669 and 23670, February 26, 2013 

#23938
Mar 24, 2013
And our current school board brags about recent expenditures in technology and looks to reduce teaching staff even more, thereby increasing class sizes......hmmm....even more opportunities for our children to receive less personalized instruction and assistance. If I was this parent, I would be outraged. 

#23939
Mar 24, 2013
This discussion goes far beyond the walls of Springboro schools. This discussion is about the gradual, yet systematic lowering of the bar of academic expectations for ALL of Ohio's public school students  all in the name of each and every district's respective struggle to get the top State rating. http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2012/10/17/oh... The next batch of posters sent Boro and other top ranked districts ought to read.... "Proficient with Distinction" 

#23940
Mar 24, 2013
Let's take for example Korea Japan and Israel. Right now, on average, students in these countries are academically kicking the living bejesus out of their American peers. How can this be if Korean, Japanese & Israeli average classroom size is 67 more students than in America? Don't be outraged. Instead try enlightening yourself. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/... 

#23941
Mar 26, 2013
...and now ima elected to the bored of edukashun! Thanx to union teachers in every classroom, ima now proficient with no distinkshun. And that's as good as our kids need to be! 

#23942
Mar 26, 2013
The teacher's union who are on strike in Strongsville are recommending that parents pay attention to what is going on in their schools.
I believe they are correct in their concerns, but why should we wait until the teachers go on strike? Should not these helpful hints also apply to our current teachers? Maybe we would be able to discover why our performance levels are failing over 2000 children in our district? The union recommendations for good parents are as follows: WHO IS MINDING THE CHILDREN? HOW TO KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR CHILD If you are considering sending your child to school during the strike, please investigate what is happening at school: LISTEN to what your children tell you about the conditions at school VISIT the school and your child's classroom to observe conditions there. ASK to see the teaching license of the replacement "teacher" who has been assigned to your child's class. REPORT unsafe conditions or the lack of quality teaching that you observe to the Board of Education. These recommendations should be followed now by the concerned parents of this district if they want to know how our schools are really performing day in and day out. Most will, of course, be doing great, but some may be lacking in content, ability, or curriculum. Find out for yourselves, the union isn't always wrong. 

#23943
Mar 26, 2013
Given the latest news from Michigan regarding the passing of Right to Work legislation in that state it is encouraging to know that Ohio is right behind them. No longer should teachers be coerced into to participating in an organization that contradicts many teachers moral convictions. See links below. Forced unionism is a Marxist philosophy and has no place in Springboro. Yes a teacher can opt out, but must still pay a large portion of the Membership dues. How about giving the teachers the ability to opt out and pay nothing. The Pro Union thugs that attend your meetings undermine and interfere with the Board's efforts of promoting fiscally responsible Pro Student/tax Payer initiative’s. The noise they make always leads back to what’s best for the teachers union interests with little concern for the Student or the Tax payer. Please understand I am thankful for the many great teachers in Springboro, it’s the Union who we have issues with. Please do not cave to their Thug Tactics, the Community is behind you and appreciate your efforts to be fiscally responsible. Unelected Union Sympathizers have no platform to constantly harass the BOE members as they are neither Staff nor Union Members. As Union puppets their only purpose is create division and discontentment within the Schools and Community. The best thing that can happen is to make Right to Work a Law here in Ohio and it is coming. http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/12/1... Check out what the NEA/Teachers Union stands for regarding Homosexuality, Liberal and Christian viewpoints. In my opinion Teachers Unions are like affirmative action, they force employers to compensate groups of individuals based on the demands of the group rather than individual performance/contributions. It is insulting to individual liberty and personal responsibility and is basically a legal form of extortion. Do we really want organizations with these kinds of radical agendas shaping our schools ideology? See the links below and you’ll realize what we’re dealing with: http://www.missionamerica.com/enews/enews_Mar... http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.a... http://www.youtube.com/watch... http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action... Thank you for your efforts, 

#23944
Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.
Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks. Thursday Mar 14 Just Watching wrote: 3rd Grade 20092010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......52 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 3rd grade . Limited.......... 14 Students Limited.......... 39% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 24 correct answers =(046% correct) . Basic..........46 Students Basic ..........55% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition25  32 correct answers =(4862% correct) . Proficient........158 Students Proficient........72% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 3341 correct answers =(6379% correct) . Accelerated.....124 Students Accelerated.....84% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition42 45 correct answers =(8187% correct) . Advanced........124 Students Advanced........93% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition46 52 correct answers =(88100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......59 Students Percentage of Students.....13% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......83 Students Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........127 Students Percentage of Students.....27% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........149 Students Percentage of Students.....32% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....46 Students Percentage of Students....10% receiving A Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not? 

#23945
Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.
Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks. Thursday Mar 14 Just Watching wrote: 4th Grade 20102011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......52 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 4th grade . Limited.......... 8 Students Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 16 correct answers =(031% correct) . Basic..........32 Students Basic ..........57% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition17  24 correct answers =(3346% correct) . Proficient........108 Students Proficient........60% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 2536 correct answers =(4869% correct) . Accelerated.....104 Students Accelerated.....76% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition37 42 correct answers =(6381% correct) . Advanced........176 Students Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition43 52 correct answers =(83100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......104 Students Percentage of Students.....24% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......76 Students Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........93 Students Percentage of Students.....22% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........98 Students Percentage of Students.....23% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....57 Students Percentage of Students....13% receiving A Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not? 

#23946
Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.
Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks. Thursday Mar 14 Just Watching wrote: 5th Grade 20112012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......52 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 5th grade . Limited.......... 20 Students Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 17 correct answers =(033% correct) . Basic..........35 Students Basic ..........40% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition18  23 correct answers =(3444% correct) . Proficient........107 Students Proficient........54% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 2432 correct answers =(4662% correct) . Accelerated.....76 Students Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition33 37 correct answers =(6371% correct) . Advanced........213 Students Advanced........82% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition38 52 correct answers =(73100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......162 Students Percentage of Students.....36% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......95 Students Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........90 Students Percentage of Students.....20% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........77 Students Percentage of Students.....17% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....27 Students Percentage of Students....6% receiving A Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not? 

#23947
Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.
Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks. Thursday Mar 14 Just Watching wrote: 6th Grade 20092010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......50 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 6th grade . Limited.......... 12 Students Limited.......... 18% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 12 correct answers =(018% correct) . Basic..........13 Students Basic ..........31% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition13 19 correct answers =(2638% correct) . Proficient........96 Students Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 2027 correct answers =(4054% correct) . Accelerated.....104 Students Accelerated.....62% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition28 36 correct answers =(6072% correct) . Advanced........176 Students Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition37 50 correct answers =(74100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......209 Students Percentage of Students.....49% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......93 Students Percentage of Students.....22% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........73 Students Percentage of Students.....17% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........42 Students Percentage of Students.....10% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....9 Students Percentage of Students......2% receiving A Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not? 

#23948
Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.
Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks. Thursday Mar 14 Just Watching wrote: What did the children learn in grades 16 in Springboro? Only 21% scored better than 75% on the 7th grade OAA Math test. 21% 7th Grade 20102011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......50 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade . Limited.......... 8 Students Limited.......... 17% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 9 correct answers =(018% correct) . Basic..........35 Students Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition10 16 correct answers =(2032% correct) . Proficient........161 Students Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 1729 correct answers =(3458% correct) . Accelerated.....95 Students Accelerated.....65% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition30 36 correct answers =(6072% correct) . Advanced........104 Students Advanced........81% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition37 50 correct answers =(74100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students Percentage of Students.....59% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......79 Students Percentage of Students.....20% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........60 Students Percentage of Students.....15% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........25 Students Percentage of Students.....6% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....2 Students Percentage of Students......0% receiving A Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not? 

#23949
Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.
Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks. 8th Grade 20112012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results. . Math .......50 possible points on the test . . State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade . Limited.......... 3 Students Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group Limited..........definition0 10 correct answers =(020% correct) . Basic..........25 Students Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group Basic..........definition11 15 correct answers =(2230% correct) . Proficient........174 Students Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group Proficient.........definition 1629 correct answers =(3258% correct) . Accelerated.....159 Students Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group Accelerated.....definition30 36 correct answers =(6072% correct) . Advanced........77 Students Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group Advanced........definition37 50 correct answers =(74100% correct) . Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO) . F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F D..... 63% 74.99% correct answers......108 Students Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D C......75% 84.99% correct answers........49 Students Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C B..... 85% 92.99% correct answers........36 Students Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A . . . Is this the level of achievement to which we wish to aspire in Springboro? . Is this the best we are capable of given our resources? . Should we continue to allow the schools and the state to hide behind euphemisms rather than actual achievement? . Demand better, our children and taxpayers deserve a real return on our investment in our schools. Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not? 

#23950
Mar 26, 2013
OGT lack of worthwhile standards and again nobody stands up and gives any answers for any of this, just give me more money or your kids will suffer.
Ask the high school staff if any of this is true or not. I looked up the same stuff Just Watching did. Still waiting for your clarification on your post. If you can find the question I will try and come up with the answer. Or you could explain to all of us why you are not defining the classification of "Proficient" on the OGT. A helpful tutelage from the Ohio Department of Education on the scales for the results on the Math test Limited.........012 points..........025% correct on the test Basic..........12.517.5 points.......26%36% correct on the test PROFICIENT...1827 points..........37.5%56% correct on the test Accelerated...27.534 points..........57%71% correct on the test Advanced......34.548 points..........72%100% correct on the test This is not a difficult test, take it for yourself, it is on the ODE website. http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages ... Then wonder why after two years of preparation in our "college prep" high school, nearly 40% of the children taking this test score 75% or less, and still have not mastered basic math covering what should have been learned in grades 19. They even let a child use a calculator and provide a cheat sheet with all the necessary formulas required to answer the questions on the test. Seriously, who wishes to defend labeling a student who has mastered less than 56% of the math material as "PROFICIENT"? Only our high school administration team would sit in front of the cameras and present to the community 97.4% of our students taking the OGT were "PROFICIENT" and above. And then proceed to bask in the clapping and cheering from the union and the union supporters with a straight face. 

#23951
Mar 28, 2013
This just in from striking school teachers in Strongsville, OH
“SEA President Tracy Linscott.“It is bad enough that the students have spent three weeks receiving a completely fake education, but to find out this is being done at a greater cost to taxpayers than real school is further evidence of the board’s incompetence.” I love the part of the quote that claims the children are now getting a fake education with the substitute teachers. A quick look at the Strongsville report card shows us that 40.6% of their students are PROFICIENT and below in Math. Based upon their student body population that would mean that over 2600 kids in that district are not getting the education the taxpayers of that community are funding. http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/20... This place is passing only 59.4% of its students, how is this a real education Ms. Villamagna? 

#23952
Mar 28, 2013
If you haven't had time to read the new contract changes in the teachers proposal you can now at www.springboro.org
If you liked the day when they its delayed start once per month, you will love this one, ONCE per week delayed start. Section 15.11 Why they don't stay an hour AFTER school to do this is beyond me, you would soon see how important these meetings were by the number cancelled and how short they become on the teacher's hour. Considering that over 2000 plus kids in our district are not getting the education that we are funding, these demands do not seem to have much impact on that dilemma . 

#23953
Mar 29, 2013
How many days do they actually work?
Looking at the accumulated sick days (15 days), personal leave days(3), bereavement days(5 days), standard holidays plus the school holidays(only the good Lord knows), etc, etc, etc 7.5 hours per day x 185 days is only 1387.5 hours per year. 8.0 hours per day x 260 days for the average private sector person is 2080. Holidays for the private sector a couple weeks vacation, New Year, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. 21 Days off per year. School employees get Christmas break (10 days), MLK Day (1 day), Springbreak (5 days), Memorial Day (1 day), Labor Day (1 day), Thanksgiving (3 days), Summer Vacation (75 days). 96 Days off per year. This is not even a full time job, 1387 hours/52 weeks = 26.67 hours per week. A person making $36,000 per year under this schedule is making $36,000 / 1387 hours =$25.96/hour $60,000 / 1387 hours =$43.26/hour $75,000 / 1387 hours =$54.07/hour Did I forget to mention the 14% that the taxpayers toss in to their retirement account? The teachers can put in up to an additional 10% if they like, but the taxpayers put in a guaranteed extra 14% that does not come out of the teacher's salary. $36,000 teacher is actually getting $25.96 +$3.63 =$29.59/hour $60,000 teacher is actually getting $43.26 +$6.06 =$49.32/hour $75,000 teacher is actually getting $54.07 +$7.57 =$61.64/hour Pretty good hourly wages 

#23954
Mar 29, 2013
Take out the vacation days and the 185 days turns into 164 days x 7.5 per day = 1230 hours per year. The 36K teacher really makes $33.36/hour and the 60K makes $55.61/hour. That's a ton more than a nurse makes keeping you alive at the Valley and they work 2000 plus hours


#23955
Mar 29, 2013
I definitely wasted my time in college, to think I would only have to work 2/3 of a year to make the same money I am making now, have guaranteed lifetime employment, a guaranteed retirement program I don't have to fund, and my summers off, two weeks at Christmas, and a week for Spring Break. Who knew? 

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