Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23607 Feb 22, 2013
We have a class called Sports History? Are you kidding me? What do they teach in that class?

Where do I find the curriculum for Military History? Who takes this course, the JROTC kids? How many do you have in that class? Is this an A/P class?

These sound like made up classes by the principal, just like the current events class he introduced last year.

How are these two classes related to the college prep program?

What other classes does Mr. Hogue teach?

These two sound almost as challenging as the Music/Film class at the junior high.
Obvious

Milford, OH

#23608 Feb 22, 2013
Well genius, possibly the history of sports and military in our country!!!!They are college prep classes and they do teach the kids a lot about the cultural history of our great nation. Colleges offer many classes like this, why is it wrong that our high school would offer classes like this???
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23609 Feb 22, 2013
Obvious wrote:
Well genius, possibly the history of sports and military in our country!!!!They are college prep classes and they do teach the kids a lot about the cultural history of our great nation. Colleges offer many classes like this, why is it wrong that our high school would offer classes like this???
''

Seriously, the history of sports?

We have over 2000 students in this school district that aren't able to generate a passing grade in basic reading and math, yet we have the money to spend teaching kids stuff they can learn in a bar in a few years?

I would love to see the curriculum for this class. I am sure it is rigorous preparation for one of those Ivy League schools Mr. Malone enjoys promoting.
In defense of a great man

Loveland, OH

#23610 Feb 23, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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Seriously, the history of sports?
We have over 2000 students in this school district that aren't able to generate a passing grade in basic reading and math, yet we have the money to spend teaching kids stuff they can learn in a bar in a few years?
I would love to see the curriculum for this class. I am sure it is rigorous preparation for one of those Ivy League schools Mr. Malone enjoys promoting.
Thank you for providing interesting statistics and discussions on this forum. I do enjoy the dialogue that can be found here. However, I think attacking Dr.Malone is ridiculous. Have you ever met the man? He helped our family through a couple unfortunate situations at the high school and was fantastic. He is loved by students, staff, and a majority of the community. Courses and statistics of test scores aren't a reflection on just him, but the entire district....including the BOE. I've heard that this is Dr.Malones last year. This community will realize the asset that he's been when his successor doesn't produce better results.
Haha

Loveland, OH

#23611 Feb 23, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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Seriously, the history of sports?
We have over 2000 students in this school district that aren't able to generate a passing grade in basic reading and math, yet we have the money to spend teaching kids stuff they can learn in a bar in a few years?
I would love to see the curriculum for this class. I am sure it is rigorous preparation for one of those Ivy League schools Mr. Malone enjoys promoting.
I would rather see our students take a course about the history of our military and one of the most profitable industries than more PE classes.
Scaled Scores

Milford, OH

#23612 Feb 23, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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Seriously, the history of sports?
We have over 2000 students in this school district that aren't able to generate a passing grade in basic reading and math, yet we have the money to spend teaching kids stuff they can learn in a bar in a few years?
I would love to see the curriculum for this class. I am sure it is rigorous preparation for one of those Ivy League schools Mr. Malone enjoys promoting.
2000 students don't pass basic reading and math in your opinion because you manipulated the numbers to support your opinion.....it's really old now man, let it go...
Is It Not True

Piqua, OH

#23613 Feb 23, 2013
Whynottrue wrote:
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It is true, they just cut two history classes for sure. Military History and Sports History. Are you upset they didn't tell you first? Ask Tony Hogue, he teaches those two classes.
Is it not true, that your fight against decisions being made by our reform-minded BOE elected officials, is not in the best interest of our students; but in the best interest of the teachers union FIRST first with our school tax dollars, which is being heavily promoted by the bad babb for boro/bitter bowman campaign for social justice throughout our schools and community?
Not At All Upset

Piqua, OH

#23614 Feb 23, 2013
Whynottrue wrote:
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It is true, they just cut two history classes for sure. Military History and Sports History. Are you upset they didn't tell you first? Ask Tony Hogue, he teaches those two classes.
Not at all upset, but we do appreciate the diligent review of non-essential classes, for which taxpayers are being billed.

Is it not true that Mr. Hogue also knows that these two history classes are non-essential ones; and that our students academic achievements are not in jeopardy?

Is it not true, that it is only the union teacher who is upset because cutting these non-essential, easy to teach courses,
only puts union teachers job security in jeopardy?
Status Quo Has to Go

Piqua, OH

#23615 Feb 23, 2013
Obvious wrote:
Well genius, possibly the history of sports and military in our country!!!!They are college prep classes and they do teach the kids a lot about the cultural history of our great nation. Colleges offer many classes like this, why is it wrong that our high school would offer classes like this???
Obvious is severly misguided with the status quo tunnel vision view, projected now for seven years by union-indoctrinated board member Don Miller: Don't admit it's broken and you won't have to work harder to fix it. Keep promoting our Springboro Education Association as "victims" AND Keep indoctrinating our kids in classrooms with union teachers that THREE mean-spirited board members are trying to push their most favorite teachers out of a job. Mr. Miller has publicly stated that HE was elected to protect our public schools (meaning the Springboro Education Association).
Isn't that Mr. Maney's job? And doesn't the president of the SEA get highly paid from our school taxes that he collects from all teachers who want the right to work in our school district?

From a common sense voters' viewpoint: It is wrong to tax Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners to pay generous salaries and ever increasing health care benefits to unionization party of school employees, when they are teaching non-essential high school courses in order to justify their employment, increasing their job security; and NOT increasing higher achievement for individual students.
Ask Tony Hogue

Piqua, OH

#23616 Feb 23, 2013
Whynottrue wrote:
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It is true, they just cut two history classes for sure. Military History and Sports History. Are you upset they didn't tell you first? Ask Tony Hogue, he teaches those two classes.
Mr. Hogue, were you among the Springboro Education Association Members jeering and sneering at community members during the public school board meetings on January 10, January 22, and February 14?
BORO look in the mirror wrote:
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I agree wholeheartedly that many of Jan 10's participants displayed an incredible amount of pretentiousness. Teachers in the audience thinking of nothing but THEMSELVES collectively shouted down further conversion school discussion. Certain parents chimed in with these teachers. That was nothing less than a union on union orgy. If you see parents from the 1/10 speakers list in and around town, you may still notice a strange brown substance smeared in and around their nose and inside their nostrils.
What happened Jan 10th is a gross injustice to parents in this district who have students who are struggling in one or more academic areas. Many have problems at home, sometimes with parents that aren't parents. These are the kids that sometimes get so discouraged that they drop out of school. A lot of them would tell you for various reasons they have trouble keeping up with the rest of the class. Some of these struggling students might tell you they're being completely left behind by a school district's omnipresent subliminal standard....
"Excellent with Distinction...with NO exception"
What happened Jan 10th is a gross injustice to many district parents of gifted children. Ask some of these kids. Many of them will tell you they reach a point where they feel they are no longer being challenged. They'll tell you in certain classes they get held back to the "rest of the pack" because there's not enough people or resources for them, or the TYPE of resources they need at their level.
Get real

Piqua, OH

#23617 Feb 23, 2013
Not At All Upset wrote:
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Not at all upset, but we do appreciate the diligent review of non-essential classes, for which taxpayers are being billed.
Is it not true that Mr. Hogue also knows that these two history classes are non-essential ones; and that our students academic achievements are not in jeopardy?
Is it not true, that it is only the union teacher who is upset because cutting these non-essential, easy to teach courses,
only puts union teachers job security in jeopardy?
Not all students can take AP history but I guess no one cares about them, as long as the classes cut reduce costs right? Instead of more PE, why not more science and math which Springboro could definitely use more of - oh yeah that might cost too much. Kids first, my a##.
Blah

Loveland, OH

#23618 Feb 23, 2013
Status Quo Has to Go wrote:
<quoted text>
Obvious is severly misguided with the status quo tunnel vision view, projected now for seven years by union-indoctrinated board member Don Miller: Don't admit it's broken and you won't have to work harder to fix it. Keep promoting our Springboro Education Association as "victims" AND Keep indoctrinating our kids in classrooms with union teachers that THREE mean-spirited board members are trying to push their most favorite teachers out of a job. Mr. Miller has publicly stated that HE was elected to protect our public schools (meaning the Springboro Education Association).
Isn't that Mr. Maney's job? And doesn't the president of the SEA get highly paid from our school taxes that he collects from all teachers who want the right to work in our school district?
From a common sense voters' viewpoint: It is wrong to tax Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners to pay generous salaries and ever increasing health care benefits to unionization party of school employees, when they are teaching non-essential high school courses in order to justify their employment, increasing their job security; and NOT increasing higher achievement for individual students.
Please provide examples and details about how many of these teachers are indoctrinating your children and how they are victims. I've never heard of any teachers telling students to resent the board or school decisions. I would hope that the union would be looking out for the teachers. after all, unions are meant to "protect" employees. I could care less about teachers wages, benefits, or non-essential classes. I want my child to have a well-rounded education with choices. Springboro is a great school district and if it wasn't everyone on here would have moved, homeschooled, or put their kids in a charter/private school. You talk about taxes and the cost to the community? We're the ones who screwed up buying and spending outside our means and not being able to afford additional taxes. The cost of living goes up and likely the cost of educating will as well. The entire system of funding seems to center around property taxes...then lets talk to our state reprentatives about finding ways to tax evenly so that everyone shares the burden instead of just homeowners. KY uses taxes on food, auto fees, and a smaller portion I property taxes to fund schools. They gave up stupid tests like the OGT and decided to give students the ACT to gauge learning and to show some students who score well that college is a possibility for them. I envy my relatives who live there and never complain about teachers, school boards, and levys....
Pathetic

Loveland, OH

#23619 Feb 23, 2013
Ask Tony Hogue wrote:
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Mr. Hogue, were you among the Springboro Education Association Members jeering and sneering at community members during the public school board meetings on January 10, January 22, and February 14?
<quoted text>
Don't even act like the teachers are the only ones at board meetings making comments and "jeering" or "sneering".
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23620 Feb 23, 2013
Scaled Scores wrote:
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2000 students don't pass basic reading and math in your opinion because you manipulated the numbers to support your opinion.....it's really old now man, let it go...
You do the math with the numbers provided by the state and with the grading scale Mr. Malone utilizes to determine GPAs and class standing.

Come on, I know you have a calculator, you can do this.

Tell us all what you come up with in this endeavor.

You will still find that over 2000 children in our school district are not getting the education that the taxpayers are funding.

3 out of 8 children are not getting the education we promised them.
Get real

Piqua, OH

#23621 Feb 23, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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You do the math with the numbers provided by the state and with the grading scale Mr. Malone utilizes to determine GPAs and class standing.
Come on, I know you have a calculator, you can do this.
Tell us all what you come up with in this endeavor.
You will still find that over 2000 children in our school district are not getting the education that the taxpayers are funding.
3 out of 8 children are not getting the education we promised them.
Lets remember there are a lot of students that are doing very well in Springboro - one that got a perfect score on his ACT and many more that scored very high. So instead of keeping up the 2000 failing students bit why don't you figure out why some students learn better than others. Maybe the bigger problem is the parents failing their own kids and not so much the schools.
Just Not True

Piqua, OH

#23622 Feb 23, 2013
A lot of bickering wrote:
I think it's safe to say that both the BOE and teachers union has faults in our district. I have no problem paying teachers a respectable wage to produce a quality education for my students. I also agree that some areas of spending in this district needs to be examined to determine if the results are effectively helping our students. The bad blood and bickering between both groups has led to a bad atmosphere in this community. I hope some kind of common ground is found soon if everyone is truly putting "children first". Lets find ways to give our students better opportunities and find effective ways to help our community grow.
I do keep hearing a lot about how 3/8 of our students are struggling, but how does that compare to other districts in our area? Does Lebanon, Lakota, Centerville, and other schools have more or less struggling students?
It is just not true that our highly-respected AND highly
effective BOE reform-minded majority members are contributing to this relentless bully-bashing on display at every public school board meeeting. Just Not True.
Get Real

Piqua, OH

#23623 Feb 23, 2013
Get real wrote:
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Lets remember there are a lot of students that are doing very well in Springboro - one that got a perfect score on his ACT and many more that scored very high. So instead of keeping up the 2000 failing students bit why don't you figure out why some students learn better than others. Maybe the bigger problem is the parents failing their own kids and not so much the schools.
Or, the bigger problem could be the failing agenda of our status quo unionized board member, Don Miller, protecting the teachers union members; who are constantly blaming good parents in our community for not recognizing, with BIG MONEY, just how awesome teachers are as OUR child's MOST important resource (even more than parents).
Get Real

Piqua, OH

#23624 Feb 23, 2013
Pathetic wrote:
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Don't even act like the teachers are the only ones at board meetings making comments and "jeering" or "sneering".
Bad Babb for Boro campaign supporters and Bitter Bowman Bloggers were the only ones ACTING out in public, grandstanding for social justice of teachers union rights to control our school tax dollars and our kids classroom education.

To the Bad for Boro babb/bowman union activists, education in Springboro is nothing more than fighting against our kids first best interest for SEA control and power over OUR kids' MONEY.
Get real

Piqua, OH

#23625 Feb 23, 2013
Just Not True wrote:
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It is just not true that our highly-respected AND highly
effective BOE reform-minded majority members are contributing to this relentless bully-bashing on display at every public school board meeeting. Just Not True.
Your right, they're not contributing to it, they're the reason for it.
Miller vs Kids First

Piqua, OH

#23626 Feb 23, 2013
Get real wrote:
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Not all students can take AP history but I guess no one cares about them, as long as the classes cut reduce costs right? Instead of more PE, why not more science and math which Springboro could definitely use more of - oh yeah that might cost too much. Kids first, my a##.
When it comes to spending taxpayers money on promoting school levies for increased salaries and benefits for our union school employees; adults first board member Don Miller votes: Im In!

When it comes to spending taxpayers money on helping our kids' first achieve higher academic standards; status quo board member, Don Miller, votes:

No way Ima supporting any improvements for our children's future; we are already As Good as We Can Be... And it just can't get any better than We union insiders, hunkered down in our big public schools tent of job security for our big union members.

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