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hot off the press

Girard, OH

#23525 Feb 19, 2013
Here's something to forward to friends and neighbors around the Boro...

http://www.wmfd.com/local-news/single.asp...

Springboro schools is in good company. Last year, Ohio graded close to 2/3 of it's public school districts either "Excellent" or "Excellent with Distinction".
If (the majority) of Ohio's schools are that good, why do the best jobs continue to leave Ohio?

Looking at the entire U.S., what kind of changes must be implemented so that America's children can successfully compete with other nations around the globe?
WHY

Milford, OH

#23526 Feb 19, 2013
hot off the press wrote:
Here's something to forward to friends and neighbors around the Boro...
http://www.wmfd.com/local-news/single.asp...
Springboro schools is in good company. Last year, Ohio graded close to 2/3 of it's public school districts either "Excellent" or "Excellent with Distinction".
If (the majority) of Ohio's schools are that good, why do the best jobs continue to leave Ohio?
Looking at the entire U.S., what kind of changes must be implemented so that America's children can successfully compete with other nations around the globe?
Why? It's nonsense.
You Betcha

Piqua, OH

#23527 Feb 19, 2013
WHY wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? It's nonsense.
You betcha it's nonsense that our Ohio workers have to leave the state to get the best jobs. And WHY? Because Right-To-Work States
encourage great business to come to their state to provide the best jobs for workers; while workers in forced-unionization states
like Ohio are left behind; stuck in an outdated collective bargaining system maintaining unionized status quo for over 25 years.
explain

Girard, OH

#23528 Feb 19, 2013
WHY wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? It's nonsense.
If you will, or are able to, please expand upon that thought.
WHY

Saline, MI

#23529 Feb 20, 2013
Wages are 3% lower in RTW states employer sponsored health care is hurt employer sponsored pensions are lower and unemployment rates are equal. RTW is strictly a way of keeping republicans in office because the unions will have less money to donate to the campaign funds of the democrats and the Republicans love it because they bring in rich business owners who contribute to their campaigns. And your first comment about me being "able to" expand shows your unwillingness to look at another point of view which is the reason this country is in the crapper.
miller thyme

Girard, OH

#23530 Feb 20, 2013
WHY wrote:
Wages are 3% lower in RTW states employer sponsored health care is hurt employer sponsored pensions are lower and unemployment rates are equal. RTW is strictly a way of keeping republicans in office because the unions will have less money to donate to the campaign funds of the democrats and the Republicans love it because they bring in rich business owners who contribute to their campaigns. And your first comment about me being "able to" expand shows your unwillingness to look at another point of view which is the reason this country is in the crapper.
Mr. Don Miller, we certainly do appreciate your input. However, it's now time for you to return to your grammar and annunciation tutor.
PSEO

Springboro, OH

#23531 Feb 20, 2013
Please Explain wrote:
<quoted text>
First off, in the grand scheme of things, I don't think most parents are going to make the decision of AP class vs. PSEO based on this percentage grade different.
The bigger question is why are upper level high school classes weighted the way they are? If a student is willing and able to take the higher level courses then they should accept the grade they get - why should they get 10 extra points added to their grades? If you are so against the "Proficient" definition of the OGT and other tests, then you should be against this type of weighting. Kind of hypocritical don't you think?
The point here is that kids are discouraged from taking PSEO both in the way they are talked to and the way this district grades them. These kids are not dummies they can figure that taking an AP course will get them a better GPA (district choice)and going to college is intimidating so they are essentially discouraged using some sneaky techniques. WHY? Could it be because if students take college courses they don't need as many teachers and there is way too much job protection going on rather than doing what is right for the kids?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23532 Feb 20, 2013
It is always refreshing to watch how those with no arguments attempt to turn the conversation away from its uncomfortable conclusions.

No one refutes the numbers from the state tests or the conclusions drawn, instead we have attack the messenger.

Not a soul has provided an alternate interpretation of the OAA or OGT test results.

None have bothered to refute in any meaningful way the gross bias between A/P classes taken in the high school and PSEO classes taken on a college campus.

Nada on the plight of 2000 plus children in our district that year in and year out do not get the education the taxpayers are funding.
Facts vs Opinioins

Piqua, OH

#23533 Feb 20, 2013
WHY wrote:
Wages are 3% lower in RTW states employer sponsored health care is hurt employer sponsored pensions are lower and unemployment rates are equal. RTW is strictly a way of keeping republicans in office because the unions will have less money to donate to the campaign funds of the democrats and the Republicans love it because they bring in rich business owners who contribute to their campaigns. And your first comment about me being "able to" expand shows your unwillingness to look at another point of view which is the reason this country is in the crapper.
Only those living in la-la-land under the big status quo union tent would be so narrow minded and fearful of reform minded policies that free us from the union masters owning our minds, bodies and souls. While your biased opinion is just that; some sources from the Bureau of Labor Statistics report greater job growth in right to work states than in forced-unionization states.
Facts vs Opinions

Piqua, OH

#23534 Feb 20, 2013
In the January 24 article of the Springboro Star Press - Statewide education groups put casino proceeds for school in perspective - The Ohio School Boards Association (OSBA), the Buckeye Association of School Administrators (BASA) and the Ohio Association of School Business Officials (OASBO)said they want to make sure the public understands exactly what the casino revenue will mean for schools.
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In my opinion, Thank goodness, Springboro voters have rejected the leadership of union school board candidates, who support Ohio politicians and educators' outdated policies of gambling with our children's future (instead of making much needed reforms); Springboro voters have opportunity in November to reject board member Don Miller who supports the OEA/OSBA indoctrination of public schools union teachers rights to walk out on our children's classrooms, if the teachers union president is not happy with the decisions made by school district leaders and elected officials.

Thank goodness we have only one board member, Don Miller, sitting on the board year after year, fearfully clinging to status quo and preaching the gospel of OEA indoctrination, that he was elected to protect our public schools, meaning the teachers union; (notice he did not say he was elected to put our kids first by making every decision in the best interest of our students); and this board member consistently votes against our children first; deferring instead to the best interest of the teachers union. Isn't it time for Springboro voters to say thank you to Don Miller for his "severely misguided" service to our schools and community; but please let's remind him in November that it really is time for him to go.
Wondering Wanderer

Piqua, OH

#23535 Feb 20, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
It is always refreshing to watch how those with no arguments attempt to turn the conversation away from its uncomfortable conclusions.
No one refutes the numbers from the state tests or the conclusions drawn, instead we have attack the messenger.
Not a soul has provided an alternate interpretation of the OAA or OGT test results.
None have bothered to refute in any meaningful way the gross bias between A/P classes taken in the high school and PSEO classes taken on a college campus.
Nada on the plight of 2000 plus children in our district that year in and year out do not get the education the taxpayers are funding.
While wandering through the discussion blogs, can't keep from wondering why the tabled motion rejecting the contract presented during public board meeting work session, has not been revised and brought back to the board for a vote.

Don't these 2000 plus children in our district that year in and year out do not get the education the taxpayers are funding, at least deserve the investment of taxpayers dollars considering why Springboro needs to study the possibility of a conversion school possibly meeting these students unmet needs in our public schools district?
The Way

Piqua, OH

#23536 Feb 20, 2013
blogg this wrote:
__________ has been transformed when she lost the November election and became a bitter person. At that point she became useful to do the bidding of evil. See the Saul Alenski Rules for Radicals and see this is exactly what she has participated in.
IN the words of that famous Socialist Saul
Rule #
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."
Constant public records requests and filming meetings to look for an opening=none found yet.
5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."
This has been done using others calling it "Community".
6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
High fives and patting each other on the back for rumor mongering.
7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time...."
Remember Petitions, public protests and now blogging.
8. "Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose."
If you think that the religion of social justice is not pushed on our children through indoctrinaton of the OEA, then you haven't read Alinsky's book:Rules for Radicals. Biblical scriptures are distorted throughout this book of religious practices of the community activists rallying against all common sense and individual responsibility for social justice, based on radical social religious practices opposing the true way of Christianity.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23537 Feb 20, 2013
Wondering Wanderer wrote:
<quoted text>
While wandering through the discussion blogs, can't keep from wondering why the tabled motion rejecting the contract presented during public board meeting work session, has not been revised and brought back to the board for a vote.
Don't these 2000 plus children in our district that year in and year out do not get the education the taxpayers are funding, at least deserve the investment of taxpayers dollars considering why Springboro needs to study the possibility of a conversion school possibly meeting these students unmet needs in our public schools district?
Makes two of us.
Boro Tax Payer

Girard, OH

#23538 Feb 21, 2013
and this is just the beginning...
Thank you, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano.

I am all of a merit based system. However, the manner in which these changes are being made will devastate our school district in the short term and long term by loosing the teachers who have helped to make our district a success. This is NOT putting our kids first, but putting their personal agendas first under the guise of our kids. In an attempt to try to reform the system, they in turn push out those that would excel under a merit based system. Very sad. So NO THANK YOU Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, and Mr. Rigano. Looking forward to the next round of voting. We need a balance of educators and business people on our school board who can work together, with the best interest of our children and community at heart, and not bully our district.
Out of Towner

Cincinnati, OH

#23539 Feb 21, 2013
The Way wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think that the religion of social justice is not pushed on our children through indoctrinaton of the OEA, then you haven't read Alinsky's book:Rules for Radicals. Biblical scriptures are distorted throughout this book of religious practices of the community activists rallying against all common sense and individual responsibility for social justice, based on radical social religious practices opposing the true way of Christianity.
WOW THAT IS WAY WAY OUT THERE MUSHROOM CHECK NEEDED
meanwhile in Franklin

Girard, OH

#23540 Feb 21, 2013
Last week, Franklin City Schools Superintendent Anrol Elam sent students home with a letter criticizing Governor John Kasich’s education funding proposal. To date, the budget is still under construction.

On Thursday, Warren County opened an investigation into Elam to determine if he had engaged in “impermissible political activities.”

The letter stated,“Governor John Kasich was untruthful last week, and in doing so, finally clarified that kids in poor districts don’t count.” Franklin is the poorest district in the county.

Elam’s letter continued,“The governor’s funding plan has taken from the children that attend the Franklin City Schools and gives to the rich…” He correctly pointed out that Mason, Springboro, and Kings are listed in the data table as recipients of additional funds next year while state aid to Franklin the other Warren County districts is due to remain steady.

The letter implored readers to “join” Elam “in an active campaign to ensure that Gov. Kasich and any legislator who supports him are not re-elected.”

Elam had been quoted in the Middletown Journal last week claiming that the governor had lied by claiming that poorer schools would “get money.” He also said,“The people in these richer districts should send those of us in poorer districts a thank-you note because now they can drive a bigger Mercedes.” So Elam’s passion is clear as is his penchant for strident rhetoric.

On Friday, the story took a new twist, as the Ohio Democratic Party officially pushed the inquiry into party politics by submitting a public records request with Warren County regarding any possible communication between the prosecutor and the governor’s office.

Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern launched the probe in large part because the Warren County Prosecutor, David Fornshell, is a Republican. Redfern called Fornshell one of Kasich’s top political donors, although he does not appear on the Project Vote Smart list as one of the governor’s top contributors.

The charge may be designed simply to instill suspicion, but it is the latest blow in what has now become a partisan political exchange.
Oh come on

Springboro, OH

#23541 Feb 21, 2013
Boro Tax Payer wrote:
and this is just the beginning...
Thank you, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano.
I am all of a merit based system. However, the manner in which these changes are being made will devastate our school district in the short term and long term by loosing the teachers who have helped to make our district a success. This is NOT putting our kids first, but putting their personal agendas first under the guise of our kids. In an attempt to try to reform the system, they in turn push out those that would excel under a merit based system. Very sad. So NO THANK YOU Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, and Mr. Rigano. Looking forward to the next round of voting. We need a balance of educators and business people on our school board who can work together, with the best interest of our children and community at heart, and not bully our district.
Answer me this. Where would they go?

This is the same rhetoric that was used during the levy campaigns. "If you don't keep up with more more more they will leave". In case you haven't heard, there were 1,000 applicants for one teaching position. Do you really think that if teachers had to be evaluated on their achievements they would leave. No matter how you present it the union will not like it and they will convince their membership that it is the fault of conservatives. The union will tell their membership that this change is bad and tell to work to elect the status teacher quoe. You aren't for any kind of merit system, you just want to win a board seat so you can push your agenda and screw the kids, you need your buds to continue to get more and more and more.
The larger problem is that boards have too many of the same old "we need more" attitudes from former teachers and union reps. What we need are people that do not tow the party line of more and more without accountability.

Don't you get it, the face of education is changing and your the loser? Stop trying to blame the messenger and get educated.
Oh come on

Springboro, OH

#23542 Feb 21, 2013
meanwhile in Franklin wrote:
Last week, Franklin City Schools Superintendent Anrol Elam sent students home with a letter criticizing Governor John Kasich’s education funding proposal. To date, the budget is still under construction.
On Thursday, Warren County opened an investigation into Elam to determine if he had engaged in “impermissible political activities.”
The letter stated,“Governor John Kasich was untruthful last week, and in doing so, finally clarified that kids in poor districts don’t count.” Franklin is the poorest district in the county.
Elam’s letter continued,“The governor’s funding plan has taken from the children that attend the Franklin City Schools and gives to the rich…” He correctly pointed out that Mason, Springboro, and Kings are listed in the data table as recipients of additional funds next year while state aid to Franklin the other Warren County districts is due to remain steady.
The letter implored readers to “join” Elam “in an active campaign to ensure that Gov. Kasich and any legislator who supports him are not re-elected.”
Elam had been quoted in the Middletown Journal last week claiming that the governor had lied by claiming that poorer schools would “get money.” He also said,“The people in these richer districts should send those of us in poorer districts a thank-you note because now they can drive a bigger Mercedes.” So Elam’s passion is clear as is his penchant for strident rhetoric.
On Friday, the story took a new twist, as the Ohio Democratic Party officially pushed the inquiry into party politics by submitting a public records request with Warren County regarding any possible communication between the prosecutor and the governor’s office.
Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern launched the probe in large part because the Warren County Prosecutor, David Fornshell, is a Republican. Redfern called Fornshell one of Kasich’s top political donors, although he does not appear on the Project Vote Smart list as one of the governor’s top contributors.
The charge may be designed simply to instill suspicion, but it is the latest blow in what has now become a partisan political exchange.
Join me in demanding his resignation. A public servant actively campaigning against anything is wrong and especially because he used the kids. SHAMEFUL

What this liberal wants is more re-distributions. Redistribute to him and his kind. The kids my hinny, as he is a retire rehire and making money hand over fist. Maybe he should give up one of his salaries and fund some of his bloated, overpaid and benefited system. This redistribution pusher fails to mention that the schools that are finally getting a little more of the enormous money they send to the State back is because they have grown and had the State funds cut instead of like some districts that have lost students yet have gotten more every year. Stop your bellyaching, stop breaking Ohio laws by using public resources to campaign and stop using the kids to do your dirty work.

Demand his resignation.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23543 Feb 21, 2013
meanwhile in Franklin wrote:
Last week, Franklin City Schools Superintendent Anrol Elam sent students home with a letter criticizing Governor John Kasich’s education funding proposal. To date, the budget is still under construction.
On Thursday, Warren County opened an investigation into Elam to determine if he had engaged in “impermissible political activities.”
The letter stated,“Governor John Kasich was untruthful last week, and in doing so, finally clarified that kids in poor districts don’t count.” Franklin is the poorest district in the county.
Elam’s letter continued,“The governor’s funding plan has taken from the children that attend the Franklin City Schools and gives to the rich…” He correctly pointed out that Mason, Springboro, and Kings are listed in the data table as recipients of additional funds next year while state aid to Franklin the other Warren County districts is due to remain steady.
The letter implored readers to “join” Elam “in an active campaign to ensure that Gov. Kasich and any legislator who supports him are not re-elected.”
Elam had been quoted in the Middletown Journal last week claiming that the governor had lied by claiming that poorer schools would “get money.” He also said,“The people in these richer districts should send those of us in poorer districts a thank-you note because now they can drive a bigger Mercedes.” So Elam’s passion is clear as is his penchant for strident rhetoric.
On Friday, the story took a new twist, as the Ohio Democratic Party officially pushed the inquiry into party politics by submitting a public records request with Warren County regarding any possible communication between the prosecutor and the governor’s office.
Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern launched the probe in large part because the Warren County Prosecutor, David Fornshell, is a Republican. Redfern called Fornshell one of Kasich’s top political donors, although he does not appear on the Project Vote Smart list as one of the governor’s top contributors.
The charge may be designed simply to instill suspicion, but it is the latest blow in what has now become a partisan political exchange.
I was under the impression that everyone would now get the same amount of funding regardless of where they resided.

Was Franklin getting more money than Springboro, Mason, or King's Mill per student under the old formula?

Is Franklin getting less per student now?

Or is Franklin getting the same as they have in the past?

As I understand the funding program from the past, the wealthier schools tax base was utilized to subsidize less affluent school districts. So if Springboro sent 100% of its real estate tax payments to the state, the state gave them back 60%. The other 40% of the money was then transferred to the poorer school districts. Places like Springboro were expected replace those lost tax dollars with levies that we could surely afford because we were rich.

Now places like Springboro that were getting clipped to fund other school districts will get the same amount of money as those other subsidized school districts. The amount of raise one got appears to be wholly dependent upon the rate their tax base was being clipped by the state.

Those who got the proceeds of that clipping will see no increase, they will stay the same. No one saw any reduction in their funding. Those who relied on other people funding their program will continue to see the same revenue stream that had inflated their original tax base prior to Mr. Kasich's proposal. For them nothing changes.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23544 Feb 21, 2013
Seq#.......Mark Value....... Starting%...Ending%...Starting Point...Ending Point
1..........4..........98...... ... 109..........4..........4
2..........4..........93...... ....97.99..........4.......... 4
3..........3.7..........90 ..........92.99.......... 3.7.......... 3.99
4..........3.3..........87.... ......89.99.......... 3.3.......... 3.69
5..........3..........83...... ....86.99.......... 3.......... 3.29
6..........2.7.......... 80.......... 82.99.......... 2.7.......... 2.99
7..........2.3..........77.... ...... 79.99.......... 2.3.......... 2.69
8..........2 ..........73..........76.99... ....... 2.......... 2.29
9..........1.7.......... 70..........72.99.......... 1.7..........1.99
10..........1.3.......... 67.......... 69.99.......... 1.3.......... 1.69
11..........1.......... 63.......... 66.99.......... 1.......... 1.29
12..........0.7.......... 60.......... 62.99.......... 0.7.......... 0.99
13..........0.......... 0..........59.99..........0... .......0.69

Springboro High School Grading Schedule from the Springboro Progress Book. Conversion of class percentage mastered into a GPA weighting number.

93% Looks to be the bottom edge of the A range
83% Looks to be the bottom edge of the B range
73% Looks to be the bottom edge of the C range
63% Looks to be the bottom edge of the D range
62.99 and below looks to be the F range

Let's look at our Ohio Graduation Tests and our Ohio Achievement Assessment tests with the same criteria applied to the results.

Provided is the information gleaned from the ODE website

Ohio Graduation Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands on the 2012 test

Reading
Advanced.......79%-100%
Accelerated.....63.5%-78%
Proficient.........40.6%-63.4%

If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Reading.

(In a class at our high school those scoring in the Proficient range would have meant they absolutely failed)

Springboro had 88 students out of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.

Math
Advanced.......75%-100%
Accelerated....61%-74%
Proficient........42%-60%

If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Math.

Springboro had 40 students our of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.

(In a class at our high school those scoring in the Proficient and some Accelerated ranges would have meant they absolutely failed)

They further REDUCED the number of questions correct that you needed to reach the various achievement levels down a question from the 2011 already low levels.

Over 2000 students are receiving a less than adequate education in our schools. The state and our school administrators wish to paper over this fact with sweet smelling semantics about how many of our children scored Proficient or better

The principals in these schools know what they are purveying is half truth, yet recite it with straight faces as yet another class graduates with less of an education than we, the taxpayers, funded.

It is time for an infusion of new ideas that truly pursue excellence rather than state minimum standards.

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