Mississippi judge jails attorney for not reciting Pledge of Allegiance

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A Mississippi judge jailed a lawyer for several hours for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, ordering the attorney to "purge himself" of contempt by standing and repeating the oath like the rest of the courtroom.
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AnComm

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#2193
Feb 23, 2014
 
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>That's a wrong answer.
Really? Is the function of law enforcement to uphold the law? Who writes the law? Politicians? Who funds the political campaigns for the politicos and the parties?

The United States has one of, if not the most, bloody histories of labor struggle in the world and it was always the police and the national guard that acted as the preatorian guard for the capitalist ruling class. From the Haymarket Affair to the Ludlow Massacre to the persecution of Sacco and Vanzetti to Sheriff Blair and the Battle of Harlan County. It's all there if you care to research it.
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Feb 23, 2014
 
AnComm wrote:
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Really? Is the function of law enforcement to uphold the law? Who writes the law? Politicians? Who funds the political campaigns for the politicos and the parties?
The United States has one of, if not the most, bloody histories of labor struggle in the world and it was always the police and the national guard that acted as the preatorian guard for the capitalist ruling class. From the Haymarket Affair to the Ludlow Massacre to the persecution of Sacco and Vanzetti to Sheriff Blair and the Battle of Harlan County. It's all there if you care to research it.
It is not the primary purpose. It is part of protecting your rights.
AnComm

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Feb 23, 2014
 

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The police generally are't interested in protecting rights. If someone's breaking into your house and you're lucky enough to be middle class, then, yes they will come. They do have to display some outward public benefit or the whole thing collapses.

But they also make great strike-breakers and have no interest in 'serving and protecting' homeless, low income, immigrants, and black people.

It's a naive, television-hero view you appear to have of cops.
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Oh and when there is a lack of 'enemies' the authorities will just go out and make some. Ask the NATO 3 or the Black Panthers or the agent provocateur cops that dressed up as black bloc anarchists at the G20 and started breaking windows in order to justify repressive police action or ask Randy Weaver or the Branch Davidians or and or and or and or and or and or and... I could go on and on.
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Feb 24, 2014
 
"you're lucky enough to be middle class,"
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It is not a matter of luck. It is hard work and sacrifice to be middle class. You have to be proactive and spend time reading rather than playing or getting entertained. It seems to me many poor do not save as they borrow money to look cool.
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#2198
Feb 24, 2014
 
AnComm wrote:
Oh and when there is a lack of 'enemies' the authorities will just go out and make some. Ask the NATO 3 or the Black Panthers or the agent provocateur cops that dressed up as black bloc anarchists at the G20 and started breaking windows in order to justify repressive police action or ask Randy Weaver or the Branch Davidians or and or and or and or and or and or and... I could go on and on.
If you are not nice to people you make enemies. Middle class helps the police not fight them and break laws. You have to be brave enough to testify against your neighbor if they break the law. The poor rather be partners in crime and help people that break laws.
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Feb 24, 2014
 
Simon wrote:
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It is not a matter of luck. It is hard work and sacrifice to be middle class. You have to be proactive and spend time reading rather than playing or getting entertained. It seems to me many poor do not save as they borrow money to look cool.
Your view of class and poverty is staggeringly naive. Since you're clearly a time traveler from the 1950's let me get you up to speed with the situation in 2014. For one; your middle-class Leave it to Beaver 1950's capitalism is over. The rich decided that they didn't want to pay the upper bracket tax rate of 90% that they were paying in the 40's, 50's, and 60's. In your era a man without a college degree could go to work at GM or Coca-Cola and make a decent, livable, middle-class wage. That's over, the rich decided that they could get much better yields on their stock holdings and greater short-term profit if they laid off all their American, European, and Japanese workers and paid Chinese, Bangledeshi's, and Guatamalans pennies an hour. On top of the general greed of the capitalist class we also had amazing technological advances in robotics, semiconductor technology, and telecommunications that enabled employers to lay off even more workers. And on top of that you had women entering the workplace EN MASSE. What this means is the so called middle-class has been largely decimated and wages for working people haven't risen in any meaningful sense since the late 1970's.

This idea that if you work real hard and yank furiously on your bootstraps then YOU COULD BE MIDDLE CLASS,TOO! MAYBE YOU COULD EVEN BE RICH! Hard work and sacrifice do not guarantee one anything. I know people who work their fingers to the bone, work multiple jobs all the light hours of the day and are on a treadmill, never moving up one rung of the social and income ladder. Then you have a class of people, who actually benefit BECAUSE the previous person has it so rotten, that have never broken a sweat and lounge about all the days of their lives on $150 million yachts. Telling the poor, who live worse than paycheck to paycheck, to just save money or invest it..it shows profound ignorance, contempt and adds insult to injury.
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If you are not nice to people you make enemies. Middle class helps the police not fight them and break laws. You have to be brave enough to testify against your neighbor if they break the law. The poor rather be partners in crime and help people that break laws.
Just really hopeless nonsense and a total lack of empathy and understanding of the crime/poverty cycle. Poor people are statistically far more likely to be victims of violent crime than your fast disappearing middle-class. Do you really think a poor neighbor isn't going to call the police if they think their neighbor is an axe murderer? The way you talk about poeple lower on the social and economic strata betrays a lot of contempt and egotism.
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Anarcho-Communist wrote:
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Just really hopeless nonsense and a total lack of empathy and understanding of the crime/poverty cycle. Poor people are statistically far more likely to be victims of violent crime than your fast disappearing middle-class. Do you really think a poor neighbor isn't going to call the police if they think their neighbor is an axe murderer? The way you talk about poeple lower on the social and economic strata betrays a lot of contempt and egotism.
Time for a good purge of the filthy no gooders, it will benefit the environment as well to have less people running around consuming junk and taking up space.
AnComm

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#2202
Feb 24, 2014
 
Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Time for a good purge of the filthy no gooders, it will benefit the environment as well to have less people running around consuming junk and taking up space.


Let's be clear and say what we mean, you're talking about genocide, even if half-heartedly in jest.

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Let's be clear and say what we mean, you're talking about genocide, even if half-heartedly in jest.
Nope, not talking genocide, I'm talking about when the economy fails and government runs out of printed money to hand out to the garbage people and they start rioting in the streets like violent criminal thugs. Shooting in self defense to protect one's home or life may have the benefit of being lawfully excusable homicide, even in great numbers like a societal upheaval and the secondary benefit of cleaning society of the garbage without it being a "GENOCIDE".
AnComm

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#2204
Feb 24, 2014
 
Fascinating.

So in this scenario what is the cause of economic, governmental, and social collapse?

Who are these "garbage people?" I'm assuming you don't literally mean the people who collect garbage but rather as a pejorative for someone who you hold in such low contempt as to be literally a human being with the same amount of value as a used chewing gum wrapper?

Why do you think you will be in an elevated social position in a state of economic collapse and disintegrating social condition relative to your human trash people?
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Feb 24, 2014
 
AnComm wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =T6kpwAZwzVE&feature=share &list=UU3FD64RRsrCLpiZNkq7 ZkSg&index=30
You do not become middle class from a job. You have to own your labor which means run your own business. You can not be a job slave. You have to educate yourself on how to incorporate and sell a service or product you create. It is not easy just obeying you have to be proactive. China is not going to replace the local repairman. Learn how to fix the things made in China. Then do a fantastic job for your customers go the extra mile.
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#2206
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Richard_ wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, not talking genocide, I'm talking about when the economy fails and government runs out of printed money to hand out to the garbage people and they start rioting in the streets like violent criminal thugs. Shooting in self defense to protect one's home or life may have the benefit of being lawfully excusable homicide, even in great numbers like a societal upheaval and the secondary benefit of cleaning society of the garbage without it being a "GENOCIDE".
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When you look to government to save you it is the end. Government is only slave workers. They do not own their labor.
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"Why do you think you will be in an elevated social position in a state of economic collapse and disintegrating social condition relative to your human trash people?"
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People who do not provide their own means for survival die because of depending on others. You can not have children you can not support.
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#2208
Mar 13, 2014
 
Like the judge did something? What a pityful thing to do to "use" the Pledge of Allegiance" as punishment?
Sounds like the judge has issues, fine the attorney for contempt or jail him, but, who in the hell has the right sitting judge ot not to demand anyone recite a sacred pledge as punishment? Grow up judge and maybe remember your not God...

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Most are too shallow to make judgments of what should be done for improving society because of their over concern about their own personal interest and prejudices. The majority are also hindered by lack of mental capacity to make decisions for the improvement of society. There is a simple truth about capitalism that for there to be super wealthy there will be many in poverty. The idea that all can be successful if they try is untrue because large numbers lack the mental capacity to be very successful. The likelihood that any economic system can be a success in society is highly unlikely because of human greed. Society will continue to flounder is a good bet. Reason is never going to rule and allow man to reach his potential. Live with it!
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Mar 13, 2014
 
The idea is wisdom does no harm but those that think everyone is the same will end all mankind. It is an individual responsibility to do no harm but not be your neighbors keeper. Many people have power and control due to corruption while others work smarter. To lump all in one group is not being responsible. Not all things humans do helps society but they should not hurt it. Poverty is a choice not to work smarter.

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Society wrote:
The idea is wisdom does no harm but those that think everyone is the same will end all mankind. It is an individual responsibility to do no harm but not be your neighbors keeper. Many people have power and control due to corruption while others work smarter. To lump all in one group is not being responsible. Not all things humans do helps society but they should not hurt it. Poverty is a choice not to work smarter.
Explain how poverty is a choice if you lack the mental capacity to work smarter. Is all humans giving up the separation in to earthly partitions due to race or ethnicity; and becoming united under one purpose to improve the human condition a threat to the existence of mankind? Is it not natural with man being gregarious to be concerned for his neighbor?
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"Explain how poverty is a choice if you lack the mental capacity to work smarter."
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50% of the population has an I.Q. below 100. In the past nature let those who could not survive die.
The environment changes so only those who are different and can adjust to the change will live on. If all are the same then all will die with a certain change. The idea is to have small groups of very different people so when a change comes some will live on. Man was never united and never will be.
The human condition is subjective and people do not agree on what better is. It is not natural for man to give up discrimination. Discrimination is what has keep humans alive for 150,000 years.

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