Peterson on tape: 'I just stabbed him out of nowhere'

[Muneraven]

Welcome to our future. We have dismantled the mental health system in this country and severely mentally ill people are booted out to the streets ALL THE TIME because there is no place for them and insurance won't cover care for them. Where are the State mental hospitals? Where do you put someone who needs months of treatment? I have a mentally ill stepson and there is no help out there. Every professional we worked with said the system is a broken disaster. This is only going to get worse until people step up and deal with the problem.

[Muneraven]

Sarah D wrote:

A lot of you are missing Workaday's point. When Dahmer was captured did all white people have to take pains to distance themselves from his actions to convince others that they weren't "that kind of white person"?
When there is a news story about any white person doing something heinous do all white people have to loudly proclaim how they would never do such a thing so that people of other races won't think ill of them?
No and why? Because they would think it absurd that anyone would think that any one individual would be considered to represent the entire white race.
But a lot of whites do seem to consider the act of an individual black or small group of blacks to represent ALL blacks. And so whites do demand that all blacks loudly renounce the actions of a few wayward blacks in order to "prove" that they're decent.

It is an ugly and stupid human trait to judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few bad apples. EVERY race does this, though. It isn't a White thing, it is a human thing and you will find it in every culture. It is most notable here among White people simply because we are the majority in this country, is all. But it happens everywhere all the time.

Smart people don't hold an entire group accountable for the actions of any individual of that group, whether good or bad. To do so makes no sense. Alas, smart people seem to be the greatest minority of all.

[Walter Bellhaven]

I have been tracking these boards for several days and I think I see much rage and fear. I don't think there are any quick answers, unfortunately.

I don't think anyone should be forced to take on the sins of people with similar skin tone. I certainly don't think that people like WOB should take on any responsibility for the Valleyfair 7 (8), in the same way that I, as a pale skinned person of mixed European heritage, don't think that I should be automatically thought of as racist, until proven otherwise.

I think most folks involved in these discussions want strict punishment for these high crimes. I agree. These crimes of beatings and killings are the types of crimes that could rip apart our social fabric that seems to be held together by thin threads to begin with. I hope the book is thrown at these brutal criminals, whoever they happen to be.

WOB -- I would ask of you one thing. Keep posting! I probably agree with you most of the time and the few times I do not agree, at least I can see you have a well thought out point of view that is more than worthy of consideration. You are a credit to your race -- the human race.

[Red Ryder]

lots of nutty fruits come from Madistan.

[Workaday Oakdale Brother]

A Mom wrote:

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I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally the only people I blame are the criminals....NOT THE RACE!!!! So to answer you're question, no I won't take 'ownership' over what this person did. I had nothing to do with it!!!! And yes, since he killed an innocent person out of malice he is an animal. There. Are you satisfied?

I assume that your question is rhetorical, but in case it isn't, I am indeed satisfied...while you are a bit of a tough talker, you seem to be fair.

[Workaday Oakdale Brother]

ZenBirdist wrote:

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Brother, I'm neither Scandinavian nor Black but I do have a little theory about this case. I believe that Adam had been spiraling into mental illness over the last few years, culminating in the stabbing for "no reason" as he himself first stated. I believe he later came up with the "for money" part of the story to make some kind of sense of his senseless crime. Mental illness has such a stigma on it that Adam's way of dealing with what he had done was to convince himself it was for money. Just speculation, of course, but that is my perfectly color-neutral instinct on the case.

You could be right, Zen. The stigma surrouding mental illness may have inhibited him from addressing the root of his problems.

[Workaday Oakdale Brother]

Old White Guy wrote:

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Are you going to pick up the lease on the black woman who beat to death the 2 year old boy?

In a way, I have no choice but to do so...we (as Blacks) are often judged collectively on the basis of incidents like the Carla Poole incident.

[Workaday Oakdale Brother]

Sarah D wrote:

A lot of you are missing Workaday's point. When Dahmer was captured did all white people have to take pains to distance themselves from his actions to convince others that they weren't "that kind of white person"?
When there is a news story about any white person doing something heinous do all white people have to loudly proclaim how they would never do such a thing so that people of other races won't think ill of them?
No and why? Because they would think it absurd that anyone would think that any one individual would be considered to represent the entire white race.
But a lot of whites do seem to consider the act of an individual black or small group of blacks to represent ALL blacks. And so whites do demand that all blacks loudly renounce the actions of a few wayward blacks in order to "prove" that they're decent.

Exactly Sarah D, you hit the nail right on the head!

[Workaday Oakdale Brother]

Erica wrote:

I am Scandinavian-American or in other words, just plain white. Why are you called African-American? You are just plain black. The point is the crimes were committed, no matter the color. Let the punishment fit the crime.

Although I am not crazy about the term "African-American", I believe that the rationale for it is to disinguish us from (post-slavery) African and Caribbean immigrants.

[Workaday Oakdale Brother]

Walter Bellhaven wrote:

I have been tracking these boards for several days and I think I see much rage and fear. I don't think there are any quick answers, unfortunately.
I don't think anyone should be forced to take on the sins of people with similar skin tone. I certainly don't think that people like WOB should take on any responsibility for the Valleyfair 7 (8), in the same way that I, as a pale skinned person of mixed European heritage, don't think that I should be automatically thought of as racist, until proven otherwise.
I think most folks involved in these discussions want strict punishment for these high crimes. I agree. These crimes of beatings and killings are the types of crimes that could rip apart our social fabric that seems to be held together by thin threads to begin with. I hope the book is thrown at these brutal criminals, whoever they happen to be.
WOB -- I would ask of you one thing. Keep posting! I probably agree with you most of the time and the few times I do not agree, at least I can see you have a well thought out point of view that is more than worthy of consideration. You are a credit to your race -- the human race.

Thanks Walter, I appreciate that! And I will keep posting.

[STILL BoB to EM]

no ONE HAS MENTIONED WHY A 21 YEAR OLD YOUNG MAN WAS IN THE APT OF A 31 YEAR OLD MAN. COULD IT BE....SEX? SEX FOR MONEY???
KIND OF MAKES YOU GO "HMMMMMM"

[A Mom]

Workaday Oakdale Brother wrote:

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I assume that your question is rhetorical, but in case it isn't, I am indeed satisfied...while you are a bit of a tough talker, you seem to be fair.

I seriously don't mean to be a tough talker. I just get annoyed when things turn into race issues, instead of the issue at hand.

[Savage Fan]

Sarah D wrote:

A lot of you are missing Workaday's point. When Dahmer was captured did all white people have to take pains to distance themselves from his actions to convince others that they weren't "that kind of white person"?
When there is a news story about any white person doing something heinous do all white people have to loudly proclaim how they would never do such a thing so that people of other races won't think ill of them?
No and why? Because they would think it absurd that anyone would think that any one individual would be considered to represent the entire white race.
But a lot of whites do seem to consider the act of an individual black or small group of blacks to represent ALL blacks. And so whites do demand that all blacks loudly renounce the actions of a few wayward blacks in order to "prove" that they're decent.

"But a lot of whites do seem to consider the act of an individual black or small group of blacks to represent ALL blacks. And so whites do demand that all blacks loudly renounce the actions of a few wayward blacks in order to "prove" that they're decent." There is a difference grasshopper. The MINORITIES in this country make up the MAJORITY in prison! And don't give me the garbage that they get picked on by the (in)justice system. The liberal socialist judges belong to the left as do the criminals. "Liberalism is a mental disorder"

[Erica]

Thanks to Workaday for clarifying that issue. That makes sense.