Legislators bicker over voter ID

Legislators bicker over voter ID

There are 40 comments on the Farmington Daily Times story from Mar 13, 2011, titled Legislators bicker over voter ID. In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

The question of whether photo identification should be required to vote in New Mexico brought contentious debate Saturday but no resolution.

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Allen

Las Cruces, NM

#21 Jul 18, 2011
taxpayer wrote:
ID is required for far less important things than voting. What is the real reason for opposing such a simple standard? I think we already know.
Driving a car, buying liquor and cigarettes are not rights. See above if you want the real reason.
Allen

Las Cruces, NM

#22 Jul 18, 2011
Please Explain wrote:
<quoted text>why "What is happening is new, young, very old and minority voters find it much hard to vote".
"Harder" to vote. A larger percentage of blacks and hispanics do not have drivers licences versus whites. Students have been told their student IDs are not acceptable. Older people find it harder to show up at voting polls. There wouldn't be a need to change laws unless these states and governors had a reason, and voter fraud sure doesn't qualify.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#23 Jul 18, 2011
ALEC EXPOSED: RIGGING ELECTIONS "...At least thirty-three states have introduced voter ID laws this year. In addition to Wisconsin, Alabama, Kansas, South Carolina and Tennessee have passed similar bills. Only a veto by Democratic Governor John Lynch prevented New Hampshire from enacting a law the Republican House speaker admitted was advanced to make it harder for “liberal” students to cast ballots, and that one state representative described as “directly attributable to ALEC.”

ALEC’s goal is to influence not just state politics but also the 2012 presidential race, to “give the electoral edge to their preferred candidates,” as Cristina Francisco McGuire of the Progressive States Network pointed out in March.“It’s no coincidence that they are waging the fiercest of these battles in states that are also the likeliest battleground states in 2012, where suppressing the youth vote could have a dramatic impact...” http://www.thenation.com/article/161969/alec-...

“Phooey on Politicians”

Since: Jan 11

Politicians are full of BS!!

#24 Jul 18, 2011
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>
"Harder" to vote. A larger percentage of blacks and hispanics do not have drivers licences versus whites. Students have been told their student IDs are not acceptable. Older people find it harder to show up at voting polls. There wouldn't be a need to change laws unless these states and governors had a reason, and voter fraud sure doesn't qualify.
Anyone can obtain a state issued ID for minimal cost. Student ID's are considered "state ID's" so the Election Judges need better training. With all of the "check out the vote" stuff run by the Democratic Party, driving people to the voting areas, your comment of "older people find it harder to show up at voting polls" is a rather lame excuse, even for a Democrat.

Why is the "left" so against having voters show a a picture ID in order to vote? You have to have a picture ID to do damn near anything anymore in life. Is it because Voter ID will stop illegal aliens, dead people, and multiple votes by one person?

Voting is a right reserved for living American citizens over the age of 18. Liberal Democrats need to get used to that.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#25 Jul 18, 2011
NOT EVERYONE HAS A PHOTO ID

In his July 13 op-ed column,“Why we need voter ID laws,” Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach confirmed our conclusion that few people are charged with voter fraud, but he explained that must be because “most forms of voter fraud are extremely difficult to detect.” Perhaps. Or, as myriad studies show, because it rarely happens.

He also derides as “questionable” our 2006 study showing that 11 percent of citizens simply lack current and valid photo identification. The survey was conducted by Opinion Research Corp., a respected firm that has provided polling data to CNN. Those results are consistent with every other reputable study done before or since, both nationally and in the states. A commission on federal election reform independently confirmed that millions lack such ID.

Nobody wants fraud; only eligible citizens should be able to vote. The problem is not voter ID, per se, but laws requiring ID that many voters simply don’t have. Fraud may be imaginary, but the millions who could be disenfranchised — disproportionately minorities, the young and the elderly — are all too real.

Michael Waldman, New York The writer is executive director of the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.

&#8201;Kris W.Kobach’s column arguing for voter identification laws illustrated nicely the myopia of those in favor. His claim that photo IDs are everywhere because you cannot drive a car, board a plane or cash a check without one fails to take into account that the very people whose voting rights will be restricted do not drive, board planes or cash checks, i.e., the elderly, the poor and some minorities. Perhaps we don’t want them to vote?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/not-ev...

“Phooey on Politicians”

Since: Jan 11

Politicians are full of BS!!

#26 Jul 18, 2011
PlacitasRoy wrote:
NOT EVERYONE HAS A PHOTO ID
In his July 13 op-ed column,“Why we need voter ID laws,” Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach confirmed our conclusion that few people are charged with voter fraud, but he explained that must be because “most forms of voter fraud are extremely difficult to detect.” Perhaps. Or, as myriad studies show, because it rarely happens.
He also derides as “questionable” our 2006 study showing that 11 percent of citizens simply lack current and valid photo identification. The survey was conducted by Opinion Research Corp., a respected firm that has provided polling data to CNN. Those results are consistent with every other reputable study done before or since, both nationally and in the states. A commission on federal election reform independently confirmed that millions lack such ID.
Nobody wants fraud; only eligible citizens should be able to vote. The problem is not voter ID, per se, but laws requiring ID that many voters simply don’t have. Fraud may be imaginary, but the millions who could be disenfranchised — disproportionately minorities, the young and the elderly — are all too real.
Michael Waldman, New York The writer is executive director of the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.
&#8201;Kris W.Kobach’s column arguing for voter identification laws illustrated nicely the myopia of those in favor. His claim that photo IDs are everywhere because you cannot drive a car, board a plane or cash a check without one fails to take into account that the very people whose voting rights will be restricted do not drive, board planes or cash checks, i.e., the elderly, the poor and some minorities. Perhaps we don’t want them to vote?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/not-ev...
Roy: that is the biggest crock of BS I've ever seen, you must be proud to be able to "cut and paste" from your idols websites. It must be nice not having to think for oneself.
Las Cruces retiree

Birmingham, MI

#27 Jul 18, 2011
Voter id is becoming a liability. It is generating suspicions, even among our constituents. Lets change strategy and push for voter id. This change would give the appearance that our party has nothing to hide and that we are the party of the people -- the party that favors honest and fair elections.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#28 Jul 18, 2011
"state issued ID for minimal cost." POLL TAX!!!!

Many student ID's are not ACCEPTABLE in some states! WI, IN, & TX The ALEC model legislation includes verbiage to make the student IDs useless for voting ID.

Election judges in Sandoval and Bernalillo counties are very well trained and dedicated honest folks.

"Why is the "left" so against having voters show a a picture ID in order to vote?" NOT EVERYONE HAS A PHOTO ID

"With all of the "check out the vote" stuff run by the Democratic Party," I'm assuming you meant Get out the Vote" that is run by BOTH parties.

"Is it because Voter ID will stop illegal aliens, dead people, and multiple votes by one person? " You make a wild and unsupported argument based on nothing but talking points by undemocratic well funded Reich-wing corporate propagandists who want the vote restricted as much as possible.

Paul Weyrich, father of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority and various other groups tells his flock that he doesn't want people to vote. That's why the GOP is obsessed with voter fraud---only they want to disenfranchise voters because, as Weyrich said back in the '80's...the more voters there are---the less of a chance the Reich-wingers have in any election.

How many of our Christians have what I call ‘the Goo-Goo’ syndrome? Good Government. They want EVERYONE to vote! I DON’T WANT EVERYONE TO VOTE! ELECTIONS ARE NOT won by the majority of people – THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR COUNTRY AND THEY ARE NOT NOW! As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections, quite candidly, goes up as the voting populous goes down!

Watch the Weyrich video beginning at about 2:45 into this video: http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/thom-h...

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#29 Jul 18, 2011
Migraine_King wrote:
<quoted text>
Roy: that is the biggest crock of BS I've ever seen, you must be proud to be able to "cut and paste" from your idols websites. It must be nice not having to think for oneself.
It is understandable that you are incapable of debunking the points made by a voting rights expert.

I have no problem agreeing with experts who express valid points and have impeccable credentials. Seven elections as a voting official and six years actively involved in voter integrity issues there's not an argument I haven't heard. Nor is there any credible evidence that 'voter fraud' is any kind of problem.

“Phooey on Politicians”

Since: Jan 11

Politicians are full of BS!!

#30 Jul 18, 2011
PlacitasRoy wrote:
"state issued ID for minimal cost." POLL TAX!!!!
Many student ID's are not ACCEPTABLE in some states! WI, IN, & TX The ALEC model legislation includes verbiage to make the student IDs useless for voting ID.
Election judges in Sandoval and Bernalillo counties are very well trained and dedicated honest folks.
"Why is the "left" so against having voters show a a picture ID in order to vote?" NOT EVERYONE HAS A PHOTO ID
"With all of the "check out the vote" stuff run by the Democratic Party," I'm assuming you meant Get out the Vote" that is run by BOTH parties.
"Is it because Voter ID will stop illegal aliens, dead people, and multiple votes by one person? " You make a wild and unsupported argument based on nothing but talking points by undemocratic well funded Reich-wing corporate propagandists who want the vote restricted as much as possible.
Paul Weyrich, father of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority and various other groups tells his flock that he doesn't want people to vote. That's why the GOP is obsessed with voter fraud---only they want to disenfranchise voters because, as Weyrich said back in the '80's...the more voters there are---the less of a chance the Reich-wingers have in any election.
How many of our Christians have what I call ‘the Goo-Goo’ syndrome? Good Government. They want EVERYONE to vote! I DON’T WANT EVERYONE TO VOTE! ELECTIONS ARE NOT won by the majority of people – THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR COUNTRY AND THEY ARE NOT NOW! As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections, quite candidly, goes up as the voting populous goes down!
Watch the Weyrich video beginning at about 2:45 into this video: http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/thom-h...
If student (college) ID's are not acceptable to the state, then the state should change its requirements.

Anyway, Rah, Rah, Rah. Roy you did your job by trying to pass off left-wing rhetoric as actual facts. I know you were a election judge in past elections, and I'm sure you did the best job you could. I have no complaint with your experiences, but others have not had your experiences, they have had fraud or attempted fraud when it comes to voting. Who are you to szy they didn't?

99.9 percent of all people over 18 have photo ID, unless (1) they are illegal immigrants,(2)just got out of prison,(3) are trying to hide from someone,(4) gave up their driver's license because of age. Even the blind (who can not drive for your information) tend to get photo ID's because it makes life easier.

I still haven't heard from you or any left-winger one good reason for not having voter ID laws. All I've heard from yall is whining and rhetoric.

“Phooey on Politicians”

Since: Jan 11

Politicians are full of BS!!

#31 Jul 18, 2011
PlacitasRoy wrote:
<quoted text>
It is understandable that you are incapable of debunking the points made by a voting rights expert.
I have no problem agreeing with experts who express valid points and have impeccable credentials. Seven elections as a voting official and six years actively involved in voter integrity issues there's not an argument I haven't heard. Nor is there any credible evidence that 'voter fraud' is any kind of problem.
Where is his or your credentials? I'm not debunking anything, I am not a voting rights expert, neither are you.

Far as I can could tell, he is a left-wing schill like you.
Las Cruces retiree

Birmingham, MI

#32 Jul 18, 2011
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>
So what is your point? You think because there are a few cases of voter fraud the whole system needs to be changed? That is not the reason why there is a big fuss about voter fraud anyway. Many states are enacting tougher voting laws for only one reason and that is to suppress voter turn out. Maine, Ohio, Texas, S. Carolina, Florida, Wisconsin, Kansas and many others are wanting to keep the voting numbers under their control. Voter fraud is just the excuse. In Kansas there was a reported 221 cases of voter fraud from 1997 thorough 2010. Seven convictions resulted. One for electioneering (holding a sign to near a polling place) and six for double voting. Kansas changed the law and made it far harder to register and vote. None of the new laws would of affected the fraud cases or keeps the same thing from happening.
What is happening is new, young, very old and minority voters find it much hard to vote. Guess which party theses categories most vote for? Right! They vote heavily Democratic. That is the only reason all these Republican legislators and governors are changing all the voting requirements. Many of theses new laws will be challenged in the courts. Voter fraud is not the reason for, but the means by which they are restricting voting.
Allen,
I can't control what is happening in other states. I just do not buy the fact that many old, young, minority, or whatever people do not have a picture id.

New Mexico State University now requires the following in order to verify the status of a dependent for health insurance purposes: driver's license, birth certificate, first page of the your federal tax return and your marriage license.

The emergency room at the hospital requires me to show my medicare card, my driver's license and my health insurance card. My physician requires the same documentation as the hospital. Walgreen's requires that I show photo id in order to pick up certain medications. Even the U.S. post office requires a photo id in order to write a check to mail a package. Id's are required in order to receive welfare.

I guess I should believe what I see with my own eyes. I should believe the results of a poll (per cut and paste Roy) that shows that a lot of people do not have id.

Is it too much to ask voters to show a photo id? I say the answer is no.

For the few (my opinion) that do not have a photo id, we can give them one for free.

I just do not see what the problem is. Hey wait! Is that a fifth ace I see hiding up your sleeve?
Las Cruces retiree

Birmingham, MI

#33 Jul 18, 2011
Whoops!
I should have typed in I guess I should NOT believe what I see with my own eyes.

Since: Sep 08

Albuquerque, NM

#34 Jul 18, 2011
"If student (college) ID's are not acceptable to the state, then the state should change its requirements." THEY DID! This year! Part of the right-wing unAmerican drive to disenfranchise voters.

"I still haven't heard from you or any left-winger one good reason for not having voter ID laws." I can't help it if you are deaf.

NOT EVERYONE HAS A PHOTO ID
In his July 13 op-ed column,“Why we need voter ID laws,” Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach confirmed our conclusion that few people are charged with voter fraud, but he explained that must be because “most forms of voter fraud are extremely difficult to detect.” Perhaps. Or, as myriad studies show, because it rarely happens.
He also derides as “questionable” our 2006 study showing that 11 percent of citizens simply lack current and valid photo identification. The survey was conducted by Opinion Research Corp., a respected firm that has provided polling data to CNN. Those results are consistent with every other reputable study done before or since, both nationally and in the states. A commission on federal election reform independently confirmed that millions lack such ID.
Nobody wants fraud; only eligible citizens should be able to vote. The problem is not voter ID, per se, but laws requiring ID that many voters simply don’t have. Fraud may be imaginary, but the millions who could be disenfranchised — disproportionately minorities, the young and the elderly — are all too real.
Michael Waldman, New York The writer is executive director of the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.
&#8201;Kris W.Kobach’s column arguing for voter identification laws illustrated nicely the myopia of those in favor. His claim that photo IDs are everywhere because you cannot drive a car, board a plane or cash a check without one fails to take into account that the very people whose voting rights will be restricted do not drive, board planes or cash checks, i.e., the elderly, the poor and some minorities. Perhaps we don’t want them to vote?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/not-ev ...
Allen

Las Cruces, NM

#37 Jul 19, 2011
Las Cruces retiree wrote:
<quoted text>
Allen,
I can't control what is happening in other states. I just do not buy the fact that many old, young, minority, or whatever people do not have a picture id.
New Mexico State University now requires the following in order to verify the status of a dependent for health insurance purposes: driver's license, birth certificate, first page of the your federal tax return and your marriage license.
The emergency room at the hospital requires me to show my medicare card, my driver's license and my health insurance card. My physician requires the same documentation as the hospital. Walgreen's requires that I show photo id in order to pick up certain medications. Even the U.S. post office requires a photo id in order to write a check to mail a package. Id's are required in order to receive welfare.
I guess I should believe what I see with my own eyes. I should believe the results of a poll (per cut and paste Roy) that shows that a lot of people do not have id.
Is it too much to ask voters to show a photo id? I say the answer is no.
For the few (my opinion) that do not have a photo id, we can give them one for free.
I just do not see what the problem is. Hey wait! Is that a fifth ace I see hiding up your sleeve?
In cases where photo ID is required (checks, goods, etc.) there have been many cases of fraud as there is money involved. Nobody makes a dime when they commit voter fraud so there are very few cases of it. However there is a great deal at stake for the political parties. In this case it is the Republicans that are making all the changes regarding voting. Do you think they have any reason other then swinging votes their way? Absolutely not. All the new voting requirements are designed to limit potential Democratic voters from voting. Does anyone think they would do all this for any other reason? If they had any evidence there was enough voter fraud that would make any difference in an election then they would be posting it in every ones face 24/7. They can't do it but they still make it sound like that is their reason. They need an excuse to slant the voting their way and voter fraud is what they are using. Voting is a right and should be made as easy as possible for citizens to vote. If someone looses they can look for any fraud that may have cost them the election.
Lots of people do not have photo ID. That is a fact. That doesn't mean they should loose the right to vote because of it.
Just me

Washington, DC

#38 Jul 19, 2011
If someone does not have a photo ID, does that mean they have lost their identity?

Since: Jul 11

Las Cruces, NM

#39 Jul 19, 2011
Allen wrote:
<quoted text>
In cases where photo ID is required (checks, goods, etc.) there have been many cases of fraud as there is money involved. Nobody makes a dime when they commit voter fraud so there are very few cases of it. However there is a great deal at stake for the political parties. In this case it is the Republicans that are making all the changes regarding voting. Do you think they have any reason other then swinging votes their way? Absolutely not. All the new voting requirements are designed to limit potential Democratic voters from voting. Does anyone think they would do all this for any other reason? If they had any evidence there was enough voter fraud that would make any difference in an election then they would be posting it in every ones face 24/7. They can't do it but they still make it sound like that is their reason. They need an excuse to slant the voting their way and voter fraud is what they are using. Voting is a right and should be made as easy as possible for citizens to vote. If someone looses they can look for any fraud that may have cost them the election.
Lots of people do not have photo ID. That is a fact. That doesn't mean they should loose the right to vote because of it.
Allen,
I am a REPUG, but I am not trying to keep anyone from voting -- other than those that should not be voting.

Given that a photo id is required in so many places, my gut tells me that there are very few people do not have a photo id of some sort that will work for the voting process. In those limited cases, the state of NM will supply a photo id for free.

I agree with your statement about cost. I also agree that to date, no significant cheating has been found.

On the other hand, powerful DEM politicians have controlled this state for years and are likely to do so in the future. This absolute control creates the suspicion that NM could be a western Chicago. If everything is above board and proper, why the concern about something as trivial as a photo id? Why is the DEM strategy one of attack?

I do not like to lose, but I like to think that I can accept defeat in a graceful manner --as long as the game is fair and everyone plays by the rules.

A photo id helps with the appearance that the game is fair.
Just me

Washington, DC

#40 Jul 19, 2011
Do democrats think that only fellow democrats don't have photo id's?

“Phooey on Politicians”

Since: Jan 11

Politicians are full of BS!!

#41 Jul 19, 2011
PlacitasRoy wrote:
"I still haven't heard from you or any left-winger one good reason for not having voter ID laws." I can't help it if you are deaf.
And I can't help it if you have your head shoved so far up your arse that you can't hear anything else but what your Democratic crones tell you to say.
PlacitasRoy wrote:
NOT EVERYONE HAS A PHOTO ID
In his July 13 op-ed column,“Why we need voter ID laws,” Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach confirmed our conclusion that few people are charged with voter fraud, but he explained that must be because “most forms of voter fraud are extremely difficult to detect.” Perhaps. Or, as myriad studies show, because it rarely happens.
He also derides as “questionable” our 2006 study showing that 11 percent of citizens simply lack current and valid photo identification. The survey was conducted by Opinion Research Corp., a respected firm that has provided polling data to CNN. Those results are consistent with every other reputable study done before or since, both nationally and in the states. A commission on federal election reform independently confirmed that millions lack such ID.
Nobody wants fraud; only eligible citizens should be able to vote. The problem is not voter ID, per se, but laws requiring ID that many voters simply don’t have. Fraud may be imaginary, but the millions who could be disenfranchised — disproportionately minorities, the young and the elderly — are all too real.
Michael Waldman, New York The writer is executive director of the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.
&#8201;Kris W.Kobach’s column arguing for voter identification laws illustrated nicely the myopia of those in favor. His claim that photo IDs are everywhere because you cannot drive a car, board a plane or cash a check without one fails to take into account that the very people whose voting rights will be restricted do not drive, board planes or cash checks, i.e., the elderly, the poor and some minorities. Perhaps we don’t want them to vote? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/not-ev ...
Still a party-line hack job. Democrats don't want Voter ID because it would reduce their numbers at the polls. The really bad thing is that Democrats outnumber Republicans by a fairly large margin in most of the country. The only reason Republicans even win a political race is because Democrats didn't vote the "party line" and went with someone who actually stood for something.
letitbeHuman

Albuquerque, NM

#42 Jul 19, 2011
When decent people enter any political race, it matters not to them who votes for them, as long as they vote. Voter ID, is a bad misconception that it's going to curtail illegalities. If you have a political machine that is determined to win at any cost, how did that ID help? Both parties have had politician scam and cheat by having their campaign handlers seek out ways to steal, cheat or create votes for their candidate.

There is no more legitimate elections in this country and probably never was in the past century and now creeping into this one. If my Driver's license is not sufficient for the law makers then they need to Reform the Entire Process, not just voter ID.

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