Gun supporters rally in Farmington

Gun supporters rally in Farmington

There are 274 comments on the Farmington Daily Times story from Feb 2, 2013, titled Gun supporters rally in Farmington. In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

The gun owners said they are under attack from proposed regulations and a perception that guns are responsible for some of the well-publicized mass shootings of recent months.

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#204 Feb 13, 2013
xando wrote:
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Again, an overreaction. Pointing out that all you do is repeat rhetoric and cut and paste your hysteria is no more a "personal attack" than anything you have thrown out here.
You have not once done any more than say, "liberals are destroying America." No backup; just shouting your opinion, which is fine and your right, but you can never substantiate a thing you say.
All the "wrongs" you list as uniquely liberal have, in fact, been a collaborative result between liberals AND conservatives, which means you and the few like you are completely out of step.
In America, majority rules. That is uniquely American.
There you go with your liberal lies again. Of course, in the liberal view, it is quite ok to lie in order to further your ideology.

So, I guess we are both clearly on record now. I'll stand for the right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and you, along with the rest of your leftist cohorts, support dismantling those rights.

It can't be much clearer than that.
Wondering

Huntington Beach, CA

#205 Feb 13, 2013
Cary, Did you take your "pink" pills today?

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#206 Feb 13, 2013
"Heinrich Himmler was a certified animal rights activist and an aggressive promoter of “natural healing.” Rudolf Hess, Hitler’s deputy, championed homeopathy and herbal remedies. Hitler and his advisers dedicated hours of their time to discussions of the need to move the entire nation to vegetarianism as a response to the unhealthiness promoted by capitalism. Dachau hosted the world’s largest alternative and organic medicine research lab and produced its own organic honey. In profound ways, the Nazi antismoking and public health drives foreshadowed today’s crusades against junk food, trans fat, and the like. A Hitler Youth manual proclaimed,“Nutrition is not a private matter!”" -Jonah Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism: The secret history of the American Left
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#207 Feb 13, 2013
This " dismantling" as you refer to.....whatever.....is not unique to liberalism, as I said earlier. Conservatives have been equally involved.

You don't seem to be capable of objective reason.
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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There you go with your liberal lies again. Of course, in the liberal view, it is quite ok to lie in order to further your ideology.
So, I guess we are both clearly on record now. I'll stand for the right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and you, along with the rest of your leftist cohorts, support dismantling those rights.
It can't be much clearer than that.
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#208 Feb 13, 2013
xando wrote:
Seriously? Are you really this clueless?
I commented on the DT article which reported the gun rally. I got no information re gun control from that article.
Before you comment on a topic, you might try reading the article with which it's associated, you ninney.
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And, before you rely on the DT for your only source of info, read the Constitution. Start with the 2nd Ammendment, continue on to the 10th and 14th...read it then opine again, educate yourself. Those that spoke did their homework...the DT, not so much. The article is only a tenth of what is at stake. No, you will not get any 'research' from the DT article...they leave that up to the public to do their own research, which you didn't do. I did. Now who's the 'clown'? Har har.

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#209 Feb 13, 2013
xando wrote:
This " dismantling" as you refer to.....whatever.....is not unique to liberalism, as I said earlier. Conservatives have been equally involved.
You don't seem to be capable of objective reason.
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You don't seem to be capable of understanding liberty.

True conservatives have NOT been equally involved. That is just another liberal lie designed to deflect the blame liberalism deserves for attempting to destroy our nation.
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#210 Feb 13, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
"Heinrich Himmler was a certified animal rights activist and an aggressive promoter of “natural healing.” Rudolf Hess, Hitler’s deputy, championed homeopathy and herbal remedies. Hitler and his advisers dedicated hours of their time to discussions of the need to move the entire nation to vegetarianism as a response to the unhealthiness promoted by capitalism. Dachau hosted the world’s largest alternative and organic medicine research lab and produced its own organic honey. In profound ways, the Nazi antismoking and public health drives foreshadowed today’s crusades against junk food, trans fat, and the like. A Hitler Youth manual proclaimed,“Nutrition is not a private matter!”" -Jonah Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism: The secret history of the American Left
And, at the risk of offending, Hitler was an addict of methamphetamine. Perhaps those that support the end of our Constitution wish us to give that a 'try' as well...Don't think our forefathers anticipated that type of abuse of chemicals...but then...it wasn't their vision to forbid self preservation. It was however, their vision to protect the citizens of the United States of America against tyranny...be it foreign or domestic. To protect themselves against any and all who may try to take away their rights to defend themselves against the aforementioned. Especially any government. That's why we have in place, the elected officials we have, to represent us. I cite the 10th and the 14th Ammendment Period.
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#211 Feb 14, 2013
Obviously, you are not the brightest bulb.

The article did not discuss the Constitution, nor did I. The article DID report on the Farmington rally, which is what I commented on initially.....the rally. I commented on the rally. The Daily Times reported the gun rally. I commented on the gun rally. Understand? Probably not.
whammer jammer wrote:
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And, before you rely on the DT for your only source of info, read the Constitution. Start with the 2nd Ammendment, continue on to the 10th and 14th...read it then opine again, educate yourself. Those that spoke did their homework...the DT, not so much. The article is only a tenth of what is at stake. No, you will not get any 'research' from the DT article...they leave that up to the public to do their own research, which you didn't do. I did. Now who's the 'clown'? Har har.
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#212 Feb 14, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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You don't seem to be capable of understanding liberty.
True conservatives have NOT been equally involved. That is just another liberal lie designed to deflect the blame liberalism deserves for attempting to destroy our nation.
Under 8 years of George Bush and a Republican led congress, government spending increased more than under any previous administration. Government encroachment into every area of American life was unprecedented as personal liberty was diminished and under attack by the Republican/Bush agenda.

I'm not saying the current administration is any better, but Democrats are supposed to do that, aren't they? Conservatives flock to the Republican party because it is supposedly all about small government and low government spending.

Yes, conservatives and liberals are equally culpable. Covering your ears while droning, "lalalalalala" doesn't change the facts. It only makes you loom like a deluded fool.

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#213 Feb 14, 2013
xando wrote:
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Under 8 years of George Bush and a Republican led congress, government spending increased more than under any previous administration. Government encroachment into every area of American life was unprecedented as personal liberty was diminished and under attack by the Republican/Bush agenda.
I'm not saying the current administration is any better, but Democrats are supposed to do that, aren't they? Conservatives flock to the Republican party because it is supposedly all about small government and low government spending.
Yes, conservatives and liberals are equally culpable. Covering your ears while droning, "lalalalalala" doesn't change the facts. It only makes you loom like a deluded fool.
There you go, lying again. George W. Bush did not have 8 years of a "Republican led congress". Democrats took congress in 2006. And the idea that that government encroached into every area of American life while Bush was prez is yet another leftist lie. I do find it funny that leftists will denigrate Bush for supposed "encroachments", all the while cheering on Obama for his ACTUAL unconstitutional encroachments like the government takeover of the auto industry, ObamaCare (The biggest tax increase in history, coupled with the most loss of freedom garnered in one law), or his current war against the 2nd Amendment. Can't have it both ways. Loss of freedom is loss of freedom, no matter who presides over it.

As for spending, I didn't agree with Republican spending increases then, and I don't agree with Obama's spending increases now. One way Democrats took control of congress in 2006 was by running campaigns proclaiming themselves to be more fiscally conservative than Republicans, and it worked. Which is the perfect example of why Republicans lose elections when they act like Democrats.

Face it: The modern left is the perfect case study of how fascism works. Appeal to the emotions of the populace that increased government control is good for the children, the workers, the environment, etc. etc. And the gullible populace will buy in to it to a large degree. Particularly when there is something in it for them. Then, when the other shoe drops, and the negative aspects of government control kick in for real, everyone wonders what happened to their liberty.

There is no such thing as "benevolent" government power. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

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#214 Feb 14, 2013
whammer jammer wrote:
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And, at the risk of offending, Hitler was an addict of methamphetamine. Perhaps those that support the end of our Constitution wish us to give that a 'try' as well...Don't think our forefathers anticipated that type of abuse of chemicals...but then...it wasn't their vision to forbid self preservation. It was however, their vision to protect the citizens of the United States of America against tyranny...be it foreign or domestic. To protect themselves against any and all who may try to take away their rights to defend themselves against the aforementioned. Especially any government. That's why we have in place, the elected officials we have, to represent us. I cite the 10th and the 14th Ammendment Period.
No offense taken. I quoted Goldberg's book merely to point out that there are many parallels between the rise of Hitler in Germany, and the increase in government power here in the U.S. today. The same kind of thinking that allowed pre-war Germany to hand over it's liberties to Government is at work today..yet somehow the modern left seems to think we will get a different result.
Ray

Lynchburg, VA

#215 Feb 14, 2013
People who only want the government and criminals to own guns aren't that smart at all.

This place going to turn into another Juarez
madness

Grand Junction, CO

#216 Feb 14, 2013
Ok, well then there's no talking with you if whatever I say you're going to accuse of being lies. Sad you'd have to resort to that, as you seem like you might have, at one time, been someone who could logically stay in the ring during a debate. If everything I say is a lie and I'm actually a democrat trying to take down the country, then that's what I'll always be to you and what's the point in talking with you? In your mind, no republican could have an independent, logical thought of his/her own, and must tow the closed-minded party line or they're a democrat or, worse, a MODERATE (read: Communist, Nazi, or whatever other buzz word you far righters like to throw out). I chuckle now since I just came back from a wonderful breakfast with my republican friends, but you'll never believe it. I hope you're living a happy life in your little closed-minded FOX news brainwashed world there.Thank God most REPUBLICANS are not like you - you give us all a bad name. A mind is a terrible thing to close. Adios!(ooh, I'm speaking Spanish. I must support illegal immigration!)
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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After you run down the list of Democrat talking points supporting gun control, you want me to actually believe you are a Republican? Well, I don't. It's quite common for liberals to pose as Republicans on message bases, blogs, and chat rooms, in order to attempt to fool people into thinking that there is something "far right" about an issue. Such strategy is right out of the leftist playbook. Modern leftists have been moving the political "goal posts" to the left for decades. Some even have the gall to call Barack Obama a centrist, which is the biggest load of bull I've seen this decade.
My kids have been shooting firearms since they could safely hold them, just as I did when my dad instructed me in the safe handling of guns. I grew up around guns. My father owned a gun store. The fact is, there is NO SUCH THING as an "assault gun" on the market today. What you, and other leftists, call "assault guns" are in reality nothing more than a common hunting rifle dressed up in military garb. They are functionally IDENTICAL.
The fact is, leftists such as yourself are lying when they say that they only want to ban so-called "assault guns". You really are trying to incrementally steal constitutional rights from Americans, and you exploit every tragedy you possibly can to do so.
After all, it's "for the children", right?
xando

Roswell, NM

#217 Feb 14, 2013
No, CN, Bush's congress was not Republican-led throughout his entire 8 years, but it was during the enormous spending--just as the democrats did.

And typically, you missed the point. THE REPUBLUCAN PARTY--THAT BASTION OFCONSERVATIVE VALUES, AND THE CHOICE OF MODERN DAY CONSERVATIVES--WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BIG SPENDING AND BIG GOVERNMENT DURING THE BUSH TERMS ( SOME OF WHICH INCLUDED A REPUBLICAN LED CONGRESS).

Now, according to you, it should not have been that way with conservatives leading the way. Americans' liberties have been compromised thanks to the conservatives of that time.

Your rantings and lists of the destruction of America should include the realization that both cons and libs have worked side by side to achieve those results. It's just almost impossible for you to admit it.
factologist

Huntsville, AL

#218 Feb 14, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
The modern left is the perfect case study of how fascism works.
Will you make up your mind. You've said many times that we- the modern left- are socialists. Or maybe you think fascism and socialism are the same thing. You are pretty dumb about the "isms" I've noticed.
xando

Roswell, NM

#219 Feb 14, 2013
http://www.businessinsider.com/united-states-...

More people in the US own guns now than ever in our history. Not only is there no current attempt to disarm Americans, very RECENT history shows a relaxation of gun laws passed beginning in the 1800s to present.

In 2010, the fed gov lifted restrictions on guns in national parks.

Many gun laws have been passed THROUGHOUT the history of the US, but, despite all the hysteria from the ignorant, people still can buy and own guns at a rate like never before.

It's so easy to appeal to the emotions of the ignorant--they never bother to check the FACTS.

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#220 Feb 14, 2013
madness wrote:
Ok, well then there's no talking with you if whatever I say you're going to accuse of being lies. Sad you'd have to resort to that, as you seem like you might have, at one time, been someone who could logically stay in the ring during a debate. If everything I say is a lie and I'm actually a democrat trying to take down the country, then that's what I'll always be to you and what's the point in talking with you? In your mind, no republican could have an independent, logical thought of his/her own, and must tow the closed-minded party line or they're a democrat or, worse, a MODERATE (read: Communist, Nazi, or whatever other buzz word you far righters like to throw out). I chuckle now since I just came back from a wonderful breakfast with my republican friends, but you'll never believe it. I hope you're living a happy life in your little closed-minded FOX news brainwashed world there.Thank God most REPUBLICANS are not like you - you give us all a bad name. A mind is a terrible thing to close. Adios!(ooh, I'm speaking Spanish. I must support illegal immigration!)
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A "Republican" who doesn't believe in liberty or the U.S. Constitution is...a Democrat.

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#221 Feb 14, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>Will you make up your mind. You've said many times that we- the modern left- are socialists. Or maybe you think fascism and socialism are the same thing. You are pretty dumb about the "isms" I've noticed.
Yes. I DO believe that fascism and socialism are essentially the same thing. Both dictate government control of the private sector. About the only difference between the two involves the actual ownerhsip

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#222 Feb 15, 2013
“The great body of our citizens shoot less as times goes on. We should encourage rifle practice among schoolboys, and indeed among all classes, as well as in the military services by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace in the world... The first step – in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come – is to teach men to shoot!”
&#8213; Theodore Roosevelt
another

Huntsville, AL

#223 Feb 15, 2013
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Yes. I DO believe that fascism and socialism are essentially the same thing. Both dictate government control of the private sector. About the only difference between the two involves the actual ownerhsip
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