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Mad Momma

United States

#1 Oct 25, 2012
Does Title IX exist at HHS? It appears the HHS Softball team is NOT getting equal treatment that the HHS Baseball team is getting. Who watches over this type of stuff?
Baseball has gotten two new uniforms this past year, new field water system, loads of dirt from out of state, loads of warning track rock and now it appears they are about to get an indoor batting facility with offices and storage space the softball team will NOT get to use unless coach g allows it. He has already made known his intentions on that as well!
Guess we will just have to see what the KHSAA has to say about the amount of money the baseball team spends and services donated annually vs the softball team on an annual basis.
George

United States

#2 Oct 25, 2012
It will all work out in the end.

Go Tigers!
White Ceasar

Hopkinsville, KY

#3 Oct 25, 2012
Call Obama, he is giving away free money and cell phones! It could be the bb parents are raising more money and working harder for things for their team. Want to lead the campaign to raise money for the sb team? Step up ma ma!
fyi

Madisonville, KY

#4 Oct 25, 2012
Do you know for a fact that the school and not the boosters paid for all of that?
wonder

United States

#5 Oct 25, 2012
fyi wrote:
Do you know for a fact that the school and not the boosters paid for all of that?
It doesn't matter who pays for it....Title 9 says it has to be equal.
White Ceasar

Hopkinsville, KY

#6 Oct 25, 2012
Wrong
fyi

Madisonville, KY

#7 Oct 25, 2012
wonder wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't matter who pays for it....Title 9 says it has to be equal.
Yes is does matter who pays for it. The boosters can donate what ever they want.
Too busy

Cross Plains, TN

#8 Oct 25, 2012
Title 9 says that there has to be equal opportunity, I don't know that it addresses facilities. I assume boosters are paying for this?
Jr Pro

United States

#9 Oct 25, 2012
It does not matter who, what, when, why or how the baseball team gets things! Baseball boosters are borrowing $80K this year for the building and the school system is paying the rest. What is the softball team getting? NOTHING!
The softball team has to be given the same opportunity and the same amount of money has to be spent on the softball program as the baseball program no matter where the funds come from or who provides the services (water system, field maintenance, paint, etc....)
Coach Kelly just attended the Title IX training, call and ask him!
Baseball team will have to learn how to share things equally and also learn how to share things equally with time as well.
queenb

Hopkinsville, KY

#10 Oct 25, 2012
Too busy wrote:
Title 9 says that there has to be equal opportunity, I don't know that it addresses facilities. I assume boosters are paying for this?
It requires that they have equal treatment which would relate to facilities, travel, practice time,uniforms and the like. Equal treatment of the athlete of all programs. So if there is an issue and the girls programs are treated differently as it relates to facilities, travel, practice time, uniforms and etc.. and the school system is getting federal funding -well they may be in jeopardy of losing it -if there is a valid complaint. If I had a daughter on the team, I would check into it.
Foxy

Madisonville, KY

#11 Oct 25, 2012
So why doesnt the CCHS girls softball have the same facilities as the baseball team?
Jones

Hopkinsville, KY

#12 Oct 26, 2012
Booster clubs can raise as much money as they want to for a project. If the softball team want to build a dome and they raise the money it will be a go. It just looks like there are more baseball support at the local schools, I know at CCHS the baseball boosters have a bank loan that several parents put their name on. Maybe you can go down to the bank and do this if there is something you want for your girls at Hoptown.
yne

United States

#13 Oct 26, 2012
Title IX only refers to federal money. The boosters can spend as much as they want and the school does not have to match. If tge school is doung it, then yes, they would have to provide equally.
Broken Rules

Hopkinsville, KY

#15 Oct 26, 2012
Looks like HHS is not complying with B,2 (a,e,f,g and h) are not being followed. Looks like Coach Kelly will have his work cut out for him this year getting the softball team inline with the baseball team.
The baseball booster club is spending anywhere from $40-60K a year on the baseball program. This figure does NOT include anything the school is spending or any services or items that have been donated by players parents. This year it could easily reach over $200K due to the water system, field improvements, new indoor facility being built,$80K loan by boosters for building, improvements to existing indoor warehouse and other misc items.
We just want things to be fair for the our girls softball team. I had a son play baseball and now a daughter playing softball and it is nowhere near equal or fair. I just hope the school does something before the state steps in and starts pulling money.
Broken Rules

Hopkinsville, KY

#16 Oct 26, 2012
Jones wrote:
Booster clubs can raise as much money as they want to for a project. If the softball team want to build a dome and they raise the money it will be a go. It just looks like there are more baseball support at the local schools, I know at CCHS the baseball boosters have a bank loan that several parents put their name on. Maybe you can go down to the bank and do this if there is something you want for your girls at Hoptown.
Oh how wrong you are on this one. It does not matter where the money comes from (booster, private donation, business donation, parent donation, fundraisers) or how much money it is that is spent. The money amount has to be somewhat equal or close to equal. If you look at the amount of money being spent at the baseball field (seeding, tractor use, private company worker hours, private company equipment, school equipment use, dirt, paint, misc supplies, water system) there is no comparison to the softball program.
Heck, the baseball team has an indoor carpeted and heated locker room. The softball team has nothing but a dugout. The girls have to get dressed at school and walk to the field. This fact alone is a violation of Title IX!
Foxy

Hopkinsville, KY

#17 Oct 26, 2012
It looks like the softball boosters need to get off there lazy azzes and raise a little money and quit looking for handouts!
Rocky

Louisville, KY

#18 Oct 26, 2012
Agree, money buys things in this town, raise it and spend it!
Proud Coach

United States

#19 Oct 26, 2012
Foxy wrote:
It looks like the softball boosters need to get off there lazy azzes and raise a little money and quit looking for handouts!

Looks like the baseball team needs to teach their coach to keep his mouth shut and learn how to get along with other school programs and things like this probably would not come up. When you run your mouth and try to control other programs and piss other coaches off when you first start somewhere is not a good way to start. He needs to also learn he can't control everything and if he continues, it might be time to update his resume.
Example

Hopkinsville, KY

#20 Oct 26, 2012
LA GRANGE, KY (WAVE)- The U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights has found that two of the three high schools in Oldham County are in violation of Title IX.

Education officials say Oldham County High School and South Oldham High School do not provide equal locker room facilities to male and female athletes.

The schools will now be required to makes changes to comply with the Title IX mandate which is aimed at protecting gender equality in school athletics.
Example

Hopkinsville, KY

#21 Oct 26, 2012
Can booster clubs and other special interest groups just raise money and give it to the programs they choose?
Booster clubs and sport-specific alumni groups often contribute to the budgets for athletic programs. Parents and alumni may raise money for certain teams or for the overall athletic program. As a result, the school may have greater resources for some teams or programs. Menís sports programs typically receive more donor support because they have been around longer and men earn more than women on average in this country. As a result, booster clubs may provide benefits or services to the menís teams that the womenís teams do not receive.
Under Title IX, budgets for boysí and girlsí teams do not have to be equal, but the bottom line is that the benefits provided must be equal. According to the interpretation of Title IX by the Office for Civil Rights, educational institutions cannot use an economic justification for discrimination. When an institution accepts money from an outside source (fundraising, sponsors, booster clubs, private donations) the institution can use the money in the manner specified by the outside source, yet cannot use the circumstances as an excuse for discrimination.

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