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Mad Momma

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Oct 25, 2012
 
Does Title IX exist at HHS? It appears the HHS Softball team is NOT getting equal treatment that the HHS Baseball team is getting. Who watches over this type of stuff?
Baseball has gotten two new uniforms this past year, new field water system, loads of dirt from out of state, loads of warning track rock and now it appears they are about to get an indoor batting facility with offices and storage space the softball team will NOT get to use unless coach g allows it. He has already made known his intentions on that as well!
Guess we will just have to see what the KHSAA has to say about the amount of money the baseball team spends and services donated annually vs the softball team on an annual basis.
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#2
Oct 25, 2012
 
It will all work out in the end.

Go Tigers!
White Ceasar

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Oct 25, 2012
 

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Call Obama, he is giving away free money and cell phones! It could be the bb parents are raising more money and working harder for things for their team. Want to lead the campaign to raise money for the sb team? Step up ma ma!
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#4
Oct 25, 2012
 
Do you know for a fact that the school and not the boosters paid for all of that?
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Oct 25, 2012
 

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fyi wrote:
Do you know for a fact that the school and not the boosters paid for all of that?
It doesn't matter who pays for it....Title 9 says it has to be equal.
White Ceasar

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#6
Oct 25, 2012
 
Wrong
fyi

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#7
Oct 25, 2012
 
wonder wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't matter who pays for it....Title 9 says it has to be equal.
Yes is does matter who pays for it. The boosters can donate what ever they want.
Too busy

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Oct 25, 2012
 
Title 9 says that there has to be equal opportunity, I don't know that it addresses facilities. I assume boosters are paying for this?
Jr Pro

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#9
Oct 25, 2012
 
It does not matter who, what, when, why or how the baseball team gets things! Baseball boosters are borrowing $80K this year for the building and the school system is paying the rest. What is the softball team getting? NOTHING!
The softball team has to be given the same opportunity and the same amount of money has to be spent on the softball program as the baseball program no matter where the funds come from or who provides the services (water system, field maintenance, paint, etc....)
Coach Kelly just attended the Title IX training, call and ask him!
Baseball team will have to learn how to share things equally and also learn how to share things equally with time as well.
queenb

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Oct 25, 2012
 
Too busy wrote:
Title 9 says that there has to be equal opportunity, I don't know that it addresses facilities. I assume boosters are paying for this?
It requires that they have equal treatment which would relate to facilities, travel, practice time,uniforms and the like. Equal treatment of the athlete of all programs. So if there is an issue and the girls programs are treated differently as it relates to facilities, travel, practice time, uniforms and etc.. and the school system is getting federal funding -well they may be in jeopardy of losing it -if there is a valid complaint. If I had a daughter on the team, I would check into it.
Foxy

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#11
Oct 25, 2012
 
So why doesnt the CCHS girls softball have the same facilities as the baseball team?
Jones

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Oct 26, 2012
 

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Booster clubs can raise as much money as they want to for a project. If the softball team want to build a dome and they raise the money it will be a go. It just looks like there are more baseball support at the local schools, I know at CCHS the baseball boosters have a bank loan that several parents put their name on. Maybe you can go down to the bank and do this if there is something you want for your girls at Hoptown.
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Title IX only refers to federal money. The boosters can spend as much as they want and the school does not have to match. If tge school is doung it, then yes, they would have to provide equally.
Rules

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Oct 26, 2012
 
Title IX Guidelines for Compliance at the
High School Level
B) Major Components of Title IX - In its simplest form, Title IX is about providing participation opportunities for students as well as the evaluation of the benefi ts they receive while participating in sports.
1) Opportunities. To assess participation opportunities a school may examine or determine if they comply with Title IX under one of three tests. To be compliant, a school shall pass one of
the three tests:
a) Athletic participation at a school is substantially proportionate to enrollment.
b) School personnel shall demonstrate a history and continuing practice of program expansion that is responsive to the developing interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex.
c) School personnel shall fully and effectively accommodate the interest and abilities of the underrepresented sex.
2) Benefi ts. Once it is determined that equivalent opportunities are provided, an examination of the 12 major athletics program
components is made to determine if equivalent / comparable benefits are provided to all athletes. There are twelve major areas of benefi ts to be analyzed:
a) Equipment and Supplies (i.e. uniforms, shoes, bats, balls, replacement schedules, etc.)
b) Scheduling of Games and Practice Times (i.e. prime date basketball playing opportunities for girls, comparable prime practice times and length, equivalent number of contest for
comparable sports, etc.)
c) Travel and Per Diem Allowances (i.e. comparable modes of transportation, meal monies, room accommodations, etc.)
d) Coaching (i.e. comparably skilled and experienced coaches, comparable coaching salaries, comparable coaching staff size, etc.)
e) Locker Rooms, Practice and Competitive Facilities ( i.e.com parable size locker rooms and amenities, lockers, practice facilities, etc.)
f) Medical and Training Facilities and Services (i.e. comparable numbers of trainers, medical doctors [home and away], equal access to training facilities and weight rooms, etc.)
g) Publicity (i.e. schedule cards, game programs, media guides,cheerleading quality, pep bands, mascots, trophy cases, recognition banners, dance teams [home and away], etc.)
h) Support Services (i.e. support for coaches administrative needs, booster clubs, etc.)
Broken Rules

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Oct 26, 2012
 
Looks like HHS is not complying with B,2 (a,e,f,g and h) are not being followed. Looks like Coach Kelly will have his work cut out for him this year getting the softball team inline with the baseball team.
The baseball booster club is spending anywhere from $40-60K a year on the baseball program. This figure does NOT include anything the school is spending or any services or items that have been donated by players parents. This year it could easily reach over $200K due to the water system, field improvements, new indoor facility being built,$80K loan by boosters for building, improvements to existing indoor warehouse and other misc items.
We just want things to be fair for the our girls softball team. I had a son play baseball and now a daughter playing softball and it is nowhere near equal or fair. I just hope the school does something before the state steps in and starts pulling money.
Broken Rules

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Oct 26, 2012
 
Jones wrote:
Booster clubs can raise as much money as they want to for a project. If the softball team want to build a dome and they raise the money it will be a go. It just looks like there are more baseball support at the local schools, I know at CCHS the baseball boosters have a bank loan that several parents put their name on. Maybe you can go down to the bank and do this if there is something you want for your girls at Hoptown.
Oh how wrong you are on this one. It does not matter where the money comes from (booster, private donation, business donation, parent donation, fundraisers) or how much money it is that is spent. The money amount has to be somewhat equal or close to equal. If you look at the amount of money being spent at the baseball field (seeding, tractor use, private company worker hours, private company equipment, school equipment use, dirt, paint, misc supplies, water system) there is no comparison to the softball program.
Heck, the baseball team has an indoor carpeted and heated locker room. The softball team has nothing but a dugout. The girls have to get dressed at school and walk to the field. This fact alone is a violation of Title IX!
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Oct 26, 2012
 

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It looks like the softball boosters need to get off there lazy azzes and raise a little money and quit looking for handouts!
Rocky

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#18
Oct 26, 2012
 
Agree, money buys things in this town, raise it and spend it!
Proud Coach

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#19
Oct 26, 2012
 
Foxy wrote:
It looks like the softball boosters need to get off there lazy azzes and raise a little money and quit looking for handouts!

Looks like the baseball team needs to teach their coach to keep his mouth shut and learn how to get along with other school programs and things like this probably would not come up. When you run your mouth and try to control other programs and piss other coaches off when you first start somewhere is not a good way to start. He needs to also learn he can't control everything and if he continues, it might be time to update his resume.
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#20
Oct 26, 2012
 
LA GRANGE, KY (WAVE)- The U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights has found that two of the three high schools in Oldham County are in violation of Title IX.

Education officials say Oldham County High School and South Oldham High School do not provide equal locker room facilities to male and female athletes.

The schools will now be required to makes changes to comply with the Title IX mandate which is aimed at protecting gender equality in school athletics.

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