Jack

Paducah, KY

#185 May 1, 2013
This is over a year old and we still haven't went union..nothing has changed :(
Kenny

Orlando, FL

#187 Jul 23, 2013
scooter wrote:
<quoted text>
voting a union in is not always about money ! Sometimes it's about being treated like a human being. Companies always make threats to close down if a union is voted in , it's another scare tactic to use against employees. Not long ago unions we're regarded as ra thing of the past but with so emany companies doing this sort of thing the are making a resurgence. Corporate America is to blame for this you have to make a profit to stay in business too bad they can't think of any other way to be competitive than to cut benefits. I hope the union wins by a landslide!
It's not a scare tactic it's common sense, why do you think china's economy is thriving, no union, where are all of McDonald's toys manufactured The largest toy manufacturer in the world, China... why are all of our jobs shipped to Mexico, China, and next is going to be India. Unions were invented to protect people, that is no longer needed with OSHA and a law suite everyday regarding injury in manufacturing. Unions were needed- now they are not. Tell me have you ever seen a Japanese automotive manufacturing company with a union in it. NO.. because they will shut them down and re-open it in a different location under a different name quicker then you can get one in there. Tread softly MartinRea employees because your decision of getting paid more money, and working less time, to benefit yourself will effect many small communities that are supported solely by these manufacturer's like Hopkinsville, KY or Corydon, IN. MartinRea already has plants in Mexico and Canada if you want to play with your fate remember that your decisions are your's and you have to live with those decisions.

Good Luck,

Kenny
Pussnboots

Sweetwater, TN

#188 Jul 23, 2013
Kenny wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not a scare tactic it's common sense, why do you think china's economy is thriving, no union, where are all of McDonald's toys manufactured The largest toy manufacturer in the world, China... why are all of our jobs shipped to Mexico, China, and next is going to be India. Unions were invented to protect people, that is no longer needed with OSHA and a law suite everyday regarding injury in manufacturing. Unions were needed- now they are not. Tell me have you ever seen a Japanese automotive manufacturing company with a union in it. NO.. because they will shut them down and re-open it in a different location under a different name quicker then you can get one in there. Tread softly MartinRea employees because your decision of getting paid more money, and working less time, to benefit yourself will effect many small communities that are supported solely by these manufacturer's like Hopkinsville, KY or Corydon, IN. MartinRea already has plants in Mexico and Canada if you want to play with your fate remember that your decisions are your's and you have to live with those decisions.
Good Luck,
Kenny
There are unions in Canada too. Smells like fish every time I drive that way.
SHAFT

United States

#189 Jul 23, 2013
Why? So it can go bankrupt like Detroit?

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#190 Jul 23, 2013
Unions didn't bankrupt Detroit. Corporate greed sending jobs to Mexico did! Look how bad the quality of autos has dropped in the last 20 years too. Did unions do that? Of course not, but moving jobs to low wage and substandard factories did! Quit sucking on the dry teet of corporate greed in the hopes that you might one day get a drop of milk.
SHAFT

United States

#191 Jul 23, 2013
the real anonymouse wrote:
Unions didn't bankrupt Detroit. Corporate greed sending jobs to Mexico did! Look how bad the quality of autos has dropped in the last 20 years too. Did unions do that? Of course not, but moving jobs to low wage and substandard factories did! Quit sucking on the dry teet of corporate greed in the hopes that you might one day get a drop of milk.
I'm not gonna address the rest of your misinformed comment, but the unions sure as hell didn't prevent the bankruptcy. If the problem was corporate greed that unions apparently cannot prevent then we still don't need them.
SMH

Fort Walton Beach, FL

#192 Jul 23, 2013
the real anonymouse wrote:
Unions didn't bankrupt Detroit. Corporate greed sending jobs to Mexico did! Look how bad the quality of autos has dropped in the last 20 years too. Did unions do that? Of course not, but moving jobs to low wage and substandard factories did! Quit sucking on the dry teet of corporate greed in the hopes that you might one day get a drop of milk.
Detroit has some of the highest tax rates in the country. Union greed is why jobs left Detroit. A Union can guarantee you nothing but they can promise the moon. And the quality of automobiles today are head and shoulders over what it was 20 years ago. Every job in Europe is unionized look how well that is working out.
Jucie jane

Cadiz, KY

#193 Jul 24, 2013
Yes I have to agree with SMH unions will promise you the moon...but do not ask for that moon because they will be no where when you need them..ask around and see how many union plant workers in Hopkinsville feel like they would rather be banking their union dues instead of giving it to a union who is never there for them!

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#194 Jul 24, 2013
Jane is back! I thought you might have lost your HR job, which is what you should be doing instead of playing on the internet at work. you sure don't allow your employees to do that you hypocrite. How does the boss taste today?
Tim59

Lawrenceburg, TN

#195 Sep 19, 2013
The Japanese automakers are unionized in every country where they do business....except in the United States. The European automakers are unionized in every country where they do business....except in the United States. Chinese automakers, toy manufacturers, clothing producers are unionized. South African, Brazilian, Australian and Russian workers enjoy bargaining rights and union representation. Companies value their employees and respect their rights to organize all over the world, but use fear and intimidation tactics to deny those rights to workers, here. Workers at Martinrea may one day decide to stand up and demand that their legal rights to organize be recognized and equal time and access be granted for those who support forming a union in their workplace. It may turn out that the majority of the workers do not wish to form a union in which case the election will reflect that and the democratic process will have been served. However,that democratic process can only be fully implemented when all points of view are presented for consideration and the people are permitted to make intelligent, informed decisions; not intimidated and threatened by management teams wishing to suppress workers rights.
Miss Informed

Ashburn, VA

#196 Sep 19, 2013
SHAFT wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not gonna address the rest of your misinformed comment, but the unions sure as hell didn't prevent the bankruptcy. If the problem was corporate greed that unions apparently cannot prevent then we still don't need them.
You are the one misinformed- current domestic auto quality is much improved over the early-mid 80's when it hit rock bottom. Quality improved because the quality Japanese vehicles threatened to decimate the US auto industry.
Ugh

Hopkinsville, KY

#197 Sep 19, 2013
Most of the robots there look like they are from the mid 80s.

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#198 Sep 20, 2013
Ugh wrote:
Most of the robots there look like they are from the mid 80s.
So like Voltron or Rodimus Prime?
working man

United States

#199 Sep 21, 2013
IAMAW wrote:
<quoted text>Nah we just like being the highest paid and having the best benefits. If you aren't in to that then why work?
Have you ever noticed how the (alleged) high pay and benefits go away when the plant closes the doors and moves away?

That's what happened at the plant where I was employed just a few years after voting the UAW in.

On top of that, the union negotiated pay and benefits package wasn't noticeably better than what we had already.
tim59

Brentwood, TN

#200 Sep 22, 2013
what happens at the non-union plants when the doors are closed and it moves away?

That's what happens when business declines and non-profitable shops are closed. One difference being that in a union shop, if the business is closing down for whatever reason, an agreement is negotiated for the employee severance package. In non-union facilities the workers have no voice and no rights to bargain for pay and benefits such as insurance to cover a period of time after the doors close.

a company may offer a severance package or they may not. if they do igt's only what they decide the workers are worth and there is no process to improve the offer.

plants don't shut down because workers form a union. they close because they don't make money.

it's amazing how people blame "the union" when a contract doesn't suit them. It was your union, brother. the contract was negotiated by members you elected from your workforce. the agreement was ratified by a vote of your membership. if you feel something was left on the table why did you vote to accept it?

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#201 Sep 22, 2013
ooohhh burn!
Jucie jane

Greenville, KY

#203 Sep 23, 2013
Maybe they were like the people at Metalsa ..aka..Dana! They signed what they thought was a great contract according to the big wig union people who came down and conned them in. Of course they did not have a copy of the contract in hand...that was to come later..and it did..boy did it! It was not half of what they were told it would be. Little did they realize that the union and they company were in together and they got screwed and are still getting screwed! They were so desperate to get back some of the things that the company had taken away which was the plot between the company and the union...you take it away and we..the almighty union..will tell them that we can get it back if they vote us in! That is just what happened only they did not get all that was promised to them! That is how they work..find some desperate workers and tell them how good they will have it if they vote the union in...those union dues add up for their fat paychecks! Now Tim or Minnie mouse will tell you that I am an office rat but that is far from the truth. Even if it were the truth ask the workers at Metalsa and they will agree with me...ask one of these union officers and they will tell you different! That is what they are paid to do. Ask them how many people show up for the monthly meetings ...very few...because they are fed up with paying union dues every month and everything that happens the company has some kind of clause in the contract that screws them every time. Of course their union reps have the same old song and dance...we will try to change it in their next contract. That does not help them now. Unions maybe better up north but little companies like Metalsa do not count. Ask around before you vote don't get caught in this trap like they did because there is not way out but out!!

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#205 Sep 23, 2013
Jane, if your point was so solid and obvious, why do you still keep telling outright lies? I mean a lie is the resort of someone who knows they are wrong. You know union officers are elected volunteer jobs. You know everyone there saw a copy of the contract before they voted it in. You know that the last thing in a union's or company's interest would be to illegally collude with each other and illegally change a contract. That would be a violation of Federal Labor law. If what you said is true. Why did you not go to the authorities? Well other than the fact that everything you said was a lie.
tim59

Lawrenceburg, TN

#207 Sep 24, 2013
Janie's latest post refers to the first Collective Bargaining Agreement entered into at the [then] Dana plant in Hopkinsville. At this time Dana was just beginning to emerge from bankruptcy and was still on very shaky ground, financially.

It is true that workers did not get back everything the company had taken away while they were going down the pipe. The majority of benefits were restored and gains were made in language concerning work rules and other conditions of employment. The biggest gain for workers was that by forming their union at Dana they transitioned from being "at will" employees who could be discharged for any reason, or no reason at all, to employees protected by a concept known as "just cause"; employees have rights to representation and a process to challenge and dispute management decisions. To date, the local union at what is now Metalsa in Hopkinsville has been very successful in representing employees who would otherwise have been unjustly terminated by company management.

During the negotiations that led to an agreement later ratified by the membership and resulted in the second CBA (now in effect), many deficiencies that came to light during the first contract period were corrected. While additional gains in the wage and benefits portions were achieved, perhaps the greatest worker gains have been in language outside those areas. The common, boring, run-of-the-mill workday rules and procedures that help ensure a fair and equitable environment in which to perform the work. During the period leading up to the ratification vote for this contract, the entire tentative agreement was made available to each affected employee at the facility and the Bargaining Committee representatives were available during the entire workday for an entire week to answer questions. At the ratification meeting, questions, concerns and complaints were openly aired and discussed. The agreement was ratified by a margin of about 85%.

No promises were ever made by union representatives to the workforce at Dana as to what would be contained in a potential Collective Bargaining Agreement. It would be a violation of the National Labor Relations Act for either a union or a company to make such promises.

Again, this topic is about the workers at Martinrea and their search for information on forming their own union. It's a tough search when the company probably does not openly encourage discussion on this issue. I believe it is the worker's decision and that the workers should have free and open access to both sides of the issue. Only after having received all information can they hope to make an informed decision on such an important matter.
KYFAN

Corbin, KY

#209 Sep 26, 2013
martinrea is a disaster waiting to happen! they need someone to come in there to help! safety out there is a joke!

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