love my freedom

Hopkinsville, KY

#22 Mar 19, 2013
Do you even realize your party has been hijacked ??........WAKE UP AMERCIA........
LiberTEA

Kuttawa, KY

#23 Mar 19, 2013
love my freedom wrote:
<quoted text> you dont even see your own party has been hijacked.......WAKE UP AMERCIA.......
The Republican Party has been hijacked but not by the Tea Party. It was hijacked in 1952 when Eishenhower compromised its free enterprise ideals and agreed not to roll back the socialist New Deal in order to get elected. Nixon talked a lot of conservative rhetoric but he was really a flaming liberal. He actually proposed and Congress nearly passed a negative income tax that would have automatically sent anybody that did not make a certain amount of money a government check to make up the difference.

Now the socialist liberal hijackers have been in control for so long it makes the Tea Party look like hijackers when we storm the cockpit and take it back.

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#24 Mar 20, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical response from the Left. In fact few conservatives have ever read Ayn Rand. Most had never even heard of her until the socialist left started harping on "Atlas Shrugged."
Suggest you read a real scholarly work on how to fix our society and return it to the values of individualism and free enterprise:
Education: Free and Compulsory, by Murray N. Rothbard.
Except that that you, Mister Randy Paul (noticed you never denied my allegation so I will keep calling you that), have admitted to be a Ayn Rand fan. Even though you deny it, it seems strange that you changed your first name to mirror her name only after those wild aqua Buddha college years when you claim she changed your views. So I think attaching her name to yours is totally fair.
Utopian sciFi is a work of fantasy, not a basis for a government.
love my freedoom

Hopkinsville, KY

#25 Mar 20, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
<quoted text>
The Republican Party has been hijacked but not by the Tea Party. It was hijacked in 1952 when Eishenhower compromised its free enterprise ideals and agreed not to roll back the socialist New Deal in order to get elected. Nixon talked a lot of conservative rhetoric but he was really a flaming liberal. He actually proposed and Congress nearly passed a negative income tax that would have automatically sent anybody that did not make a certain amount of money a government check to make up the difference.
Now the socialist liberal hijackers have been in control for so long it makes the Tea Party look like hijackers when we storm the cockpit and take it back.
I was talking about the guy who knows all but dont even know his own Demo party I agree with you.
LiberTEA

Hopkinsville, KY

#26 Mar 20, 2013
the real anonymouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Except that that you, Mister Randy Paul (noticed you never denied my allegation so I will keep calling you that), have admitted to be a Ayn Rand fan. Even though you deny it, it seems strange that you changed your first name to mirror her name only after those wild aqua Buddha college years when you claim she changed your views. So I think attaching her name to yours is totally fair.
Utopian sciFi is a work of fantasy, not a basis for a government.
I am not Rand Paul. Again, I repeat, most conservatives had never heard of Ayn Rand until socialist liberals started harping on her writing just like you are doing now. I have never read one word of any of her books and I am not going to.

The basis for a government should come from a strict interpretation of the Constitution and the minimalist practices of the past. You don't have to read a sci-fi book to learn what government should and should not do, just read the Hopkinsville Kentuckian newspaper from the 1890s. It is available online. A lot of papers are. Read them and you will see a minimalist government and a society-economy that was structured according to natural law. A society that worked.

Now we have a society the structure of which has been so distorted by the combination of socialist public education and welfare that it cannot function properly. In fact, the structure is so unsound that it cannot stand much longer.
PooP

Hopkinsville, KY

#27 Mar 20, 2013
the real anonymouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Except that that you, Mister Randy Paul (noticed you never denied my allegation so I will keep calling you that), have admitted to be a Ayn Rand fan. Even though you deny it, it seems strange that you changed your first name to mirror her name only after those wild aqua Buddha college years when you claim she changed your views. So I think attaching her name to yours is totally fair.
Utopian sciFi is a work of fantasy, not a basis for a government.
SocialistCockSucker
LiberTEA

Hopkinsville, KY

#28 Mar 20, 2013
love my freedoom wrote:
<quoted text> I was talking about the guy who knows all but dont even know his own Demo party I agree with you.
You are right about that if you go back far enough. From the end of the Civil War until about 1900 the Democrats were the conservative party. They successfully resisted the Grand Army of the Republic, the Union veterans' organization, which in its time was the most powerful political bloc in the country, when it tried to get Congress to give Union Civil War veterans pensions. That was over 120 years ago. The Democrats started turning toward socialism with Woodrow Wilson and they have been going that way full speed ever since.

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#29 Mar 20, 2013
LiberTEA wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not Rand Paul. Again, I repeat, most conservatives had never heard of Ayn Rand until socialist liberals started harping on her writing just like you are doing now. I have never read one word of any of her books and I am not going to.
The basis for a government should come from a strict interpretation of the Constitution and the minimalist practices of the past. You don't have to read a sci-fi book to learn what government should and should not do, just read the Hopkinsville Kentuckian newspaper from the 1890s. It is available online. A lot of papers are. Read them and you will see a minimalist government and a society-economy that was structured according to natural law. A society that worked.
Now we have a society the structure of which has been so distorted by the combination of socialist public education and welfare that it cannot function properly. In fact, the structure is so unsound that it cannot stand much longer.
First off, your own Tea Potty and Republicant idiots ran up the Ayn Rand flag. Glenn Beck cannot ever stop talking about her and acts like she is still alive the way he pimps her writing as if he is her agent. John Campbell is well known as the congressman who gives out Atlas Shrugged and Paul Ryan used to express his devotion to Ayn in almost every interview (until the Romney people told him to roll it back last year).'Ayn" Rand Paul himself has made references to her for years before he even ran for the Senate and only distanced himself (even then only slightly) when it appeared that it might be a point of embarrassment that it was so obvious he changed his name to copy hers. You might not have read them, but the fact is that it is more than fair to use her name in relation to Senator Paul. The fact that it makes him uncomfortable is his own fault for being that devoted to a bad science fiction writer in his youth, not mine.
The Constitution is not immutable. Even at the time it was written there were differences in opinions about the direction the government should go. There was no unimind of the "founding fathers" in total agreement like the myth your type sells people today and the Constitution was written as a mutable object, able to adapt and change. In the 200+ years since it was written, very few other nations have had such wonderful flexibility that our founders in their brilliance gave us. These other nations constantly have to scrap or totally rewrite their constitutions, while ours has a built in framework to adapt with the times. Yet you sell this lie that is it immutable like the "word of God" or something. If that were true, then why do we need a Congress to make new laws? In the utopia you describe we need only a Constitution and a judiciary to execute the limited laws you allow to exist in your anarcho-capitalist paradise. This would only lead to a new version of the feudal system. Banks and conglomerations would have us as serf-like servants. Only the rich would be educated and they would hold the keys to opportunity and upward mobility. That is far from the "American Dream". It is just another way to make new tyrants. These will be tyrants of business instead of tyrants chosen by 'divine right'. You'd not fair very well at all in that world despite your fantasies otherwise. Greed is only good to those who already have a pile to hoard.
SHAFT

Hopkinsville, KY

#30 Mar 20, 2013
You are right. The constitution is not immutable. That's why there is an amendment process. What the hells your point?
SHAFT

Hopkinsville, KY

#31 Mar 20, 2013
And Paul Ryan has caved in to the liberals on immigration. Another example of how weak and cowardly republican conservatives are.
LiberTEA

Hopkinsville, KY

#32 Mar 20, 2013
the real anonymouse wrote:
<quoted text>
In the utopia you describe we need only a Constitution and a judiciary to execute the limited laws you allow to exist in your anarcho-capitalist paradise. This would only lead to a new version of the feudal system. Banks and conglomerations would have us as serf-like servants. Only the rich would be educated and they would hold the keys to opportunity and upward mobility. That is far from the "American Dream". It is just another way to make new tyrants. These will be tyrants of business instead of tyrants chosen by 'divine right'. You'd not fair very well at all in that world despite your fantasies otherwise. Greed is only good to those who already have a pile to hoard.
If what you say was true, then why didn't American become "serf-like servants" to "business tyrants" during the 50 years between the Civil War and World War I? Those were this country's glory years when our manifest destiny was fulfilled. Most states didn't require or pay for public education beyond the 8th grade, but there were still enough well educated people to do the jobs that required it. There were enough low educated people to do the menial jobs too. Society was structured according to natural law. There were no income taxes and no socialist welfare programs, but poor people worked and managed to get by on what they earned. Government did not interfere in business. Sure, there was big business, things like railroads, but small towns and small businesses were the norm.

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#33 Mar 20, 2013
Isn't the conservative response to us when we mention the explosive growth in American prosperity due to the New Deal from the 40's to the 70's is that we now live in a modern world with technology and a global economy? So why would turning the clock back even further be better? I bet you also would love to see a return to child labor of human bondage (bet you think freeing the slaves was unconstitutional too?)
Income taxes? The great lie. Taxes have been paid in this nation since it was first formed, it is a power given to Congress in the very first, not amended, Constitution written by those founding fathers.
You want to live in the 1800's? Go invent a time machine!
SHAFT

Shelbyville, TN

#34 Mar 20, 2013
the real anonymouse wrote:
Isn't the conservative response to us when we mention the explosive growth in American prosperity due to the New Deal from the 40's to the 70's is that we now live in a modern world with technology and a global economy? So why would turning the clock back even further be better? I bet you also would love to see a return to child labor of human bondage (bet you think freeing the slaves was unconstitutional too?)
Income taxes? The great lie. Taxes have been paid in this nation since it was first formed, it is a power given to Congress in the very first, not amended, Constitution written by those founding fathers.
You want to live in the 1800's? Go invent a time machine!
The 13th amendment made slavery illegal throughout the United States. Maybe if you read the Constitution you wouldnt ask stupid questions or make stupid statements.

“Dewey Beats Truman!”

Since: Apr 12

Here

#35 Mar 20, 2013
I am well aware of this. It is tea baggers who seem confused by the ideas of legality and constitutionality.
The Supreme Court upheld the recent Health Care law. they are the final say on the law in the United States. Yet the poster boy of the Tea Potty Ayn Randy Paul told the whole nation it was still unconstitutional because he said so! I am going to bet the Supreme Court's decision will hold up better than his opinions.
LiberTEA

Hopkinsville, KY

#36 Mar 21, 2013
the real anonymouse wrote:
I bet you also would love to see a return to child labor of human bondage (bet you think freeing the slaves was unconstitutional too?)
Freeing the slaves by constitutional amendment was perfectly legal (and right in view of the situation, that is to say the fact that the South was in rebellion).

When you get right down to it, yes, the Emancipation Proclamation was unconstitutional. Any law that freed the slaves would have been unconstitutional before the 13th amendment was ratified unless the owners were compensated at fair market value. That is because slaves were legally owned private property and the Consitution guarantees that government can't take private property without compensation. The reasons the 13th amdendment was passed were to make sure that the Supreme Court could never declare the Emancipation Proclamation or any other law that freed the slaves unconstitutional and to avoid the government having to pay compensation. There was one group of slave owners that did deserve compensation: Unionists in Kentucky. Many of them fought for the North in the Civil War but still lost their slave property.

As to child labor, what is a child? Society has expanded the definition of "child" upward in age for the last 125 years.
Retired UMW

Paducah, KY

#37 Mar 22, 2013
the real anonymouse wrote:
Isn't the conservative response to us when we mention the explosive growth in American prosperity due to the New Deal from the 40's to the 70's is that we now live in a modern world with technology and a global economy? So why would turning the clock back even further be better?... You want to live in the 1800's? Go invent a time machine!
I wish I did have a time machine. I'd take him to a coal mine in 1900 and put him to work in it. Then maybe he would figure out that the good old days weren't so good.

Second thought it might not be a good idea. He seems like the kind that would sign on to be a mining company thug.
For the record

Hopkinsville, KY

#38 Mar 22, 2013
Yeah. The wild days of "free capitalism" that marked the turn of the 20th Century sure were great. Until they ended with the depression, brought on by a lack of controls on said capitalist and a banking system left to run amuck. Whenever big business is left in charge, it works to benefit only itself and not the common person. Our society grew to be the greatest generation in the world when the Middle Class was allowed to grow and flourish. When Bush and Cheaney attacked the middle class, coupled with a needless two front war, runaway government spending and unprecedented tax breaks to the rich and big business, the economy crashed and nearly entered a depression. Today, we're seeing stability again and growth in many areas. Cause. Effect. I'll stick with the Democrats, thank you very much.
Retired UMW

Paducah, KY

#39 Mar 22, 2013
For the record wrote:
Yeah. The wild days of "free capitalism" that marked the turn of the 20th Century sure were great. Until they ended with the depression, brought on by a lack of controls on said capitalist and a banking system left to run amuck. Whenever big business is left in charge, it works to benefit only itself and not the common person. Our society grew to be the greatest generation in the world when the Middle Class was allowed to grow and flourish. When Bush and Cheaney attacked the middle class, coupled with a needless two front war, runaway government spending and unprecedented tax breaks to the rich and big business, the economy crashed and nearly entered a depression. Today, we're seeing stability again and growth in many areas. Cause. Effect. I'll stick with the Democrats, thank you very much.
The "Golden Age" wasn't gold for anybody but the rich even when it was at its best. Working people's income actually declined steadily. So did farm income. Ever hear of the Night Riders? The Tobacco Trust drove the price of tobacco to below the cost of production and things got so bad the farmers right here in Christian County had to start something pretty close to a second Civil War before they got any relief from the government.
SHAFT

Knoxville, TN

#40 Mar 22, 2013
Obamas class warfare is successful.
LiberTEA

Hopkinsville, KY

#41 Mar 24, 2013
Back to the original question, "Why are Republican Conservatives so weak and cowardly?"

The reason is that the Republican party is still infected with the disease called "Progressivism" that was injected into it by Theodore Roosevelt. There's an old saying "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" and Roosevelt's opening of the door to government regulation of private enterprise and interference in the free market is a good example.

The Republican party will produce winners when the TEA Party succeeds in purging it of the RINOs who are infected with the "Progressive" virus and fields candidates that are real Conservatives who are pledged to rolling back the creeping socialism that began with Roosevelt's ill-conceived schemes to regulate private enterprise.

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