St. Paul man arrested in Hopkins homi...

St. Paul man arrested in Hopkins homicide

There are 98 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 17, 2008, titled St. Paul man arrested in Hopkins homicide. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

A St. Paul man has been arrested in the stabbing death of a 90-year-old Hopkins woman last week, Hopkins police said.

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Blue Man

Saint Paul, MN

#90 Jul 21, 2008
I don't think that Workaday has ever used opression as a defense for anyone's actions. He has been fair-minded and has provided a reasoned opinion and helpful comments on this, and a number of others threads.

I think that many people tend to equate slavery with black africans because 1) it happened here in the United States, 2) It is fairly recent when compared with most other examples, 3) It is still used as an excuse for antisocial behavior by some of the members of the black community and 4) Some members of the white/european community still believe in the notion that blacks (and other "minority" groups) are somehow inherently inferior.

Perhaps there will come a point when those in the #4 group will be silenced when those in the #3 group stop making excuses and living out the very stereotypes they blame.

Workaday is one example of someone who has defined himself by his accomplishments rather than allowing hmself to be held back by history. I'm sure he had obstacles to overcome but, it seems to me, he chose to view them as speed bumps rather than roadblocks.

I don't believe that he is a minority in this sense, there are many, many others who have done the same. I only wish they were more visible than the "poor me" miscreants who grab so many of the headlines.
Kacy

Eden Prairie, MN

#91 Jul 21, 2008
Savage Fan wrote:
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Good comment but consider this. We that don't believe in abortion also shouldn't believe in capitol punishment. Personally I think that we should go back to SERIOUS prisons. Hard labor, lousy food, no computers, radio, tv, weight room or privileges. Make it hell. Let them pay their way. It shouldn't cost us a dollar if done right. There are plenty of highways to pick up litter. Plenty of walls to scrub graffiti off. The illegals should be physically building the forty foot wall between the US and Mexico and then thrown over it with a promise of just such a prison term if found here again.
Wow, I've disagreed with you (and been called every name in the book for it) in the past, but I give you credit for not being hypocritical on your pro-life/no death penalty stance.
Kacy

Eden Prairie, MN

#92 Jul 21, 2008
Workaday Oakdale Brother wrote:
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The *majority* of Blacks do not act like Corey or like the The ValleyFair 7. It only makes sense that we have more screwed-up members (on a per capita basis) than other races in America, as we've had the most screwed-up history. However, the longer we have equality, the smaller the pool of Brothers like Corey and The ValleyFair 7 will become.
In 40 years or so, we may be as respected as Italian-Americans (who were once reviled in American society) are today.
I agree. When you lead a sheltered life hiding in your white suburb, and the only interaction you have with African-Americans is when you go downtown for a Timberwolves game, or what you see on the news, you're bound to believe that is somehow representative of ALL black people. When you live down the street from and work with African American folks who are good hard-working well-spoken respectful people, you don't pay attention to those stereotypes anymore. Believe me, I've lived in the inner city and I've lived in small towns, and everywhere in between - there are bad people everywhere, and they come in all colors.
Emerald Green

Saint Paul, MN

#93 Jul 21, 2008
Workaday Oakdale Brother wrote:
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The *majority* of Blacks do not act like Corey or like the The ValleyFair 7. It only makes sense that we have more screwed-up members (on a per capita basis) than other races in America, as we've had the most screwed-up history. However, the longer we have equality, the smaller the pool of Brothers like Corey and The ValleyFair 7 will become.
In 40 years or so, we may be as respected as Italian-Americans (who were once reviled in American society) are today.
Not without an attitude adjustment in the young coming into the adult world. I mean all of our youth. The black youth seems to glorify in the Don't F with me additude, as it is very prevalent among young blacks.(They seem to be angry at the world). Their overblown pride may be their fall. I'm not saying they can't have pride but, it must be tempered and brought forth at appropriate times. Why are there not enough positive idol influences for them? why do they think Bad is so good?
Kacy

Eden Prairie, MN

#94 Jul 21, 2008
Emerald Green wrote:
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Not without an attitude adjustment in the young coming into the adult world. I mean all of our youth. The black youth seems to glorify in the Don't F with me additude, as it is very prevalent among young blacks.(They seem to be angry at the world). Their overblown pride may be their fall. I'm not saying they can't have pride but, it must be tempered and brought forth at appropriate times. Why are there not enough positive idol influences for them? why do they think Bad is so good?
Again, this is just BLACK youth? There are no angry white kids? I'm pretty sure most kids go through a period of being angry a-holes.

"Thugs" come in all colors.
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Plymouth, MN

#95 Jul 21, 2008
KillALLBR wrote:
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A simple definition of Slavery (aka - Thralldom):
"Individuals that are deprived of personal freedom and forced to work (etc..)."
This must be your definition of Slavery:
"A black person held against their will by a White person (etc..)."
Let's get something straight. Slavery is alive today as it was from the past.. And lets not forget, Women and Children as we know have been oppressed since before recorded history..
I suppose you're going to try and equate what happened to black americans as being the worst of the worst? Not even close! What happened to the AA slaves has happened to countless other people from other races as well!
And why do black people like you always Equate Slavery with black africans?
The only reason why we're able to remember what happened to black slaves in America is because of the advancement in technology IE: Video, cameras etc.. as we evolve as human beings. Thus, making it hard for someone to question if something from the past actually happened or not..
What, did you forget about my Buddy Cortez and his Conquistadors? And my Arab buddies as well, not too mention your fellow Africans from the Ashanti Empire!
Don't mean to sound as if I'm attacking or stalking you, as quite a few of your posts have good value to them. But you always seem to have to bring up what happened from the past (much like I just did), except, I brought up the past to show you what slavery Really IS!
With all due respect, you are going off on a bit of a tangent...I didn't give any implied definiition of "slavery". I merely made the point that even if Black slavery in America had lasted substantially longer, it wouldn't have justified the crime that was the subject of his article.
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Plymouth, MN

#96 Jul 21, 2008
Blue Man wrote:
I don't think that Workaday has ever used opression as a defense for anyone's actions. He has been fair-minded and has provided a reasoned opinion and helpful comments on this, and a number of others threads.
I think that many people tend to equate slavery with black africans because 1) it happened here in the United States, 2) It is fairly recent when compared with most other examples, 3) It is still used as an excuse for antisocial behavior by some of the members of the black community and 4) Some members of the white/european community still believe in the notion that blacks (and other "minority" groups) are somehow inherently inferior.
Perhaps there will come a point when those in the #4 group will be silenced when those in the #3 group stop making excuses and living out the very stereotypes they blame.
Workaday is one example of someone who has defined himself by his accomplishments rather than allowing hmself to be held back by history. I'm sure he had obstacles to overcome but, it seems to me, he chose to view them as speed bumps rather than roadblocks.
I don't believe that he is a minority in this sense, there are many, many others who have done the same. I only wish they were more visible than the "poor me" miscreants who grab so many of the headlines.
Thanks, Blue Man...I appreciate that!

BTW, I think that your slavery analysis is totally correct. The fact that Black slavery happened in our nation (one purportedly founded on notions of liberty and equality), and that it happened relatively recently, imbues the slavery issue with continuing relevance. Of course, while slavery explains *some* dysfunction in the Black community, it should never be used as an excuse for criminal activity.
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Plymouth, MN

#97 Jul 21, 2008
Savage Fan wrote:
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Workaday...you seem like a sincere guy but really....that is hilarious. I'm NOT being a smart as s but that is just not realistic. Check out Darwin the great liberal revered by all contemporary liberals. His take on race says it all.
Why isn't it realistic? Who would have anticipated Blacks like Colin Powell, Ken Chenault, and Obama 40 years ago (not to mention that the Black middle class is much larger than it was 40 years ago)? Given the progress that we have made in the past 40 years, we should be able to accomplish much more and dramatically increase the size of the Black middle class during the coming 40 years.
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Plymouth, MN

#98 Jul 21, 2008
Emerald Green wrote:
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Not without an attitude adjustment in the young coming into the adult world. I mean all of our youth. The black youth seems to glorify in the Don't F with me additude, as it is very prevalent among young blacks.(They seem to be angry at the world). Their overblown pride may be their fall. I'm not saying they can't have pride but, it must be tempered and brought forth at appropriate times. Why are there not enough positive idol influences for them? why do they think Bad is so good?
Attitude adjustments for some young urban Brothers would definitely be called for.

One thing I think that posters forget is that many cultures are filled with angry young men, not just the Black American culture. Look at soccoer thugs and hooligans in the UK and Germany, especially in post-industrial towns that few, if any, jobs to offer these young men. Also, look at that immigrants youths who have been rioting in the suburbs of Paris off and on during the last couple of years. While this sort of behavior is deplorable, please keep in mind that it is not unique to us.
KillALLBR

Minneapolis, MN

#99 Jul 21, 2008
Workaday Oakdale Brother wrote:
With all due respect, you are going off on a bit of a tangent...
No, not really, I was just bringing up points, as you've done..
Workaday Oakdale Brother wrote:
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Why isn't it realistic? Who would have anticipated Blacks like Colin Powell, Ken Chenault, and Obama 40 years ago (not to mention that the Black middle class is much larger than it was 40 years ago)? Given the progress that we have made in the past 40 years, we should be able to accomplish much more and dramatically increase the size of the Black middle class during the coming 40 years.
With Corporate America outsourcing quite few jobs, the economy and so many people wanting to come into this country....

We'll see if there still is a middle class in the US 40 years from now?.. It'll be interesting, that's for sure..
Workaday Oakdale Brother

Plymouth, MN

#100 Jul 21, 2008
KillALLBR wrote:
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No, not really, I was just bringing up points, as you've done..
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With Corporate America outsourcing quite few jobs, the economy and so many people wanting to come into this country....
We'll see if there still is a middle class in the US 40 years from now?.. It'll be interesting, that's for sure..
That's a very good point. Given the factors you mentioned, there may not be enough decent jobs 40 years from now to sustain the growth of the Amreican middle class at all, regardless of race.

Given that America's economic future may be a bit bleak, I really hope that parents (of all races) are not just stressing education and staying out of trouble (as my folks did), but also stressing the importance of avoiding debt, saving money, and not living above one's means. The days of the Yuppie who lands a really great job right out of college or grad school and can easily pay his/her student loans, rent, car note, etc. are waning.
anti DFL

Saint Paul, MN

#101 Jul 21, 2008
No one has brought up the issue of preying on the elderly. I saw it time and again with my grandmother before she died. Sick puppies tried to scam her routinely out of money through door to door and telephone solicitations. Not to mention sleazy home improvement contractors and handymen trying to coerce her into paying more money because of her fading mental ability. Seriously there are networks of sleaze that do this stuff for a living.
The way this society treats eldery people is a disgrace. If your elderly mom has to live alone, enroll her in conceal-carry and buy her a nice six shooter to even the odds.
whats new

Minneapolis, MN

#102 Jul 21, 2008
Kacy wrote:
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Again, this is just BLACK youth? There are no angry white kids? I'm pretty sure most kids go through a period of being angry a-holes.
"Thugs" come in all colors.
Kacy, I know good people who are AA's. This is NOT the point. They may be the only group that if they happen to disappear as a group this would be the CAUSE for enhancing the quality of life for everyone else. I believe they are far more negative as a group than they are positive. I could not say this any other group of people. American Indian have suffered a lot and are in a lot of poverty and alcoholism, they do not destroy the quality of life for other people. You really must wake up and look at the bigger picture.
whats new

Minneapolis, MN

#103 Jul 21, 2008
KillALLBR wrote:
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No, not really, I was just bringing up points, as you've done..
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With Corporate America outsourcing quite few jobs, the economy and so many people wanting to come into this country....
We'll see if there still is a middle class in the US 40 years from now?.. It'll be interesting, that's for sure..
I do not believe we will have a middle and upper and lower classes in the future. It will be very, very different.
Kacy

Eden Prairie, MN

#104 Jul 22, 2008
whats new wrote:
<quoted text>Kacy, I know good people who are AA's. This is NOT the point. They may be the only group that if they happen to disappear as a group this would be the CAUSE for enhancing the quality of life for everyone else. I believe they are far more negative as a group than they are positive. I could not say this any other group of people. American Indian have suffered a lot and are in a lot of poverty and alcoholism, they do not destroy the quality of life for other people. You really must wake up and look at the bigger picture.
I guess it's not worth arguing any further. I'm sorry you feel this way. What a shame.
Linda from Hopkins

Minneapolis, MN

#105 Aug 15, 2008
Getting back to the subject, the murder of our good friend Irene. She lived in the same building as my mother did. While my mom was dying of cancer, Irene would walk down to her appartment every night to pray with my mom. They would pray that God would bring her home soon and end her suffering. Irene was with my mom just a few hours before she died. I only hope that my mom was somehow there for Irene. Can you imagine the terror the poor dear went through? How do I find out who the judge was that let this man back on the streets?
Blue Man

Saint Paul, MN

#106 Aug 15, 2008
Criminal records, including court actions are available online at: http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/default.aspx
Aredant

Gaithersburg, MD

#107 Sep 23, 2008
Savage Fan wrote:
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Yes the twenty first century when criminals rights are more important than the victims. When my wife can legally kill MY baby and I have nothing to say about it.(no she didn't) The twenty first century when we have the ACLU tearing our great country apart. You
are a moron. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Forget to make your medication today?

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