Man fatally shot at Minneapolis car wash identified

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The Hennepin County medical examiner has identified the man who was shot and killed at a car wash in northeast Minneapolis.

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The time has come for all law abiding citizens to apply for your conceal-carry permit, take the firearms training, buy a handgun and learn to shoot. How many homicides and robberies is that in one week? We need to do what the police and courts can't. We need to get these people off of the streets.

This revolving door system we call justice is not working! The thugs are armed and they don't hesitate to shoot. We can do this in a law-abiding way. Contact your county for a permit to purchase a handgun. Fill out the paperwork and you will have your permit within 30 days. Then contact Bill's gun shop or Gander Mountain and ask them about conceal and carry classes. The thugs don't have to go to all this trouble, they steal their guns. Isn't it odd that some people in Congress want to stop us from buying guns legally in the naive belief that thugs won't have access to guns anymore?

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They're doing our dirty work for us...
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Ooh ooh
You might not ever get rich
But let me tell ya it's better than diggin' a ditch
There ain't no tellin' who you might meet
A movie star or maybe even an Indian chief

(Workin')
At the car wash
Workin' at the car wash, girl
Come on and sing it with me
(Car wash)
Sing it with the feelin' ya'all
(Car wash, girl)

Ooh!
The Hard Truth

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Let's see if I understand this correctly: You're a tough guy. You're sporting a gun, stashed in your glove box or under your seat. You drive up to a car wash -- you see some guy go up to another guy's car with a gun. Now what? You think, "That guy is a bad guy. He's going to shoot that fellow in that car. I'm going to take him out before he does so." So you shoot him on the presumption that he intends to shoot the other guy. Thus, justice is served. Am I the only one who sees how maybe this is a flawed approach that could go terribly wrong?

How? Let me count the ways: Shooting an innocent person due to a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of a situation? A shootout between nitwits with bullets flying everywhere, including at innocent bystanders?

The only realistic, potentially positive outcome of this "I got a gun, mofo" approach to crime control would be an after-the-fact shooting of a shooter. The first guy would still be dead. But I guess you'd feel better because you pulled a Wyatt Earp and took out someone before the lawyers could get ahold of the situation.

It's all weak and fraught with peril. Here's what I'd like to see: you have no gun, I have no gun, and everyone who uses a gun to commit a crime goes to a fudge-packer prison for a minimum of a year to do some very dark time. Call it the "gun hotel" and reserve it especially for crimes that involved guns. Start taking our guns off the street one by one, ban handguns and assault weapons altogether, penalize the companies that make handguns to within an inch of their life, and let the people who need to shoot deer keep their long guns. If having a gun is so damn important, start the long and laborious process of getting rid of small arms. It would take several generations, but we could do it.

And, oh, by the way. All this crap about it being the first step toward fascism is foolishness; and the claim that we would be hurting legitimate collectors is such a tortured defense that it is almost painful. Banning personal nuclear devices hurts collectors of PND's. Banning large stocks of nitric acid hurts collectors of nitric acid. And so on.

It all comes down to this, my friend. You want your gun, you have the fantasy that the world would be safer if we all had guns, and you don't look at the likely as opposed to the ideal consequences of this type of behavior.

I know I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. Here's one thing I know, though. I won't shoot you by accident; you might shoot me or one of my kids by accident, thinking you were stopping a crime. "Oops, sorry man. I thought that was a gun you were carrying." Nice world you propose.

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"It all comes down to this, my friend. You want your gun, you have the fantasy that the world would be safer if we all had guns, and you don't look at the likely as opposed to the ideal consequences of this type of behavior." - I don't have a conceal carry, but I think you are missing his point. The world will absolutely not be any safer if someone has a gun, but they will be able to defense THEMSELVES if needed. I don't know anyone with a conceal carry thinks they are going to be a hero, but all of them feel safer.
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He was just starting to turn his life around!
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A fully armed society is a polite society.
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Person of Interest wrote:
The time has come for all law abiding citizens to apply for your conceal-carry permit, take the firearms training, buy a handgun and learn to shoot. How many homicides and robberies is that in one week? We need to do what the police and courts can't. We need to get these people off of the streets.
This revolving door system we call justice is not working! The thugs are armed and they don't hesitate to shoot. We can do this in a law-abiding way. Contact your county for a permit to purchase a handgun. Fill out the paperwork and you will have your permit within 30 days. Then contact Bill's gun shop or Gander Mountain and ask them about conceal and carry classes. The thugs don't have to go to all this trouble, they steal their guns. Isn't it odd that some people in Congress want to stop us from buying guns legally in the naive belief that thugs won't have access to guns anymore?
The life you save may be your child or your own.
I agree 1000% but please, Stop trying to make sense out of a non-nonsensical world. ;)
BAN THE GUNS

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Come on OBAMA ...you said you'd work to ban the guns...get on it !!

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BAN THE GUNS wrote:
Come on OBAMA ...you said you'd work to ban the guns...get on it !!
When Obama bans gun, only Obama's peeps will have guns...
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Hmmm, I guess that he should have gone for the wash, wax and shine service rather than just the basic car wash or whatever.
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A great response by The Hard Truth! Right on!!! I hope to hear how some of the paranoic arrogant ignorant Wyatt Earp wannabees would handle such situations while making sure that they didn't "take out" innocent folks that "looked suspicious", harm or kill innocent bystanders who just happened to be there and so on. I remember that I used to imagine myself getting the bad guys in the same manner that Ralphie does in the moveie, The Christmas Story, Black Bart and all of his no good accomplices so as to make the world safe for Democracy or at least my neighborhood. I used to imagine similar things as I rode around the merry-go-round as a little kid expecting, of course, to be welcomed and cheered on by all of those good citizens that I had "saved." I no longer have such childish fantasies, of course, something about adulthood, maturity and so on. On the other hand, it is still kind of cute to hear the Wyatt Earp wannabees talk about how the good citizens must all conceal and carry to make their world safe as it pleasantly reminds me of my thinking in a similar manner when I was pushing ten or eleven years old.
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The Hard Truth wrote:
Let's see if I understand this correctly: You're a tough guy. You're sporting a gun, stashed in your glove box or under your seat. You drive up to a car wash -- you see some guy go up to another guy's car with a gun. Now what? You think, "That guy is a bad guy. He's going to shoot that fellow in that car. I'm going to take him out before he does so." So you shoot him on the presumption that he intends to shoot the other guy. Thus, justice is served. Am I the only one who sees how maybe this is a flawed approach that could go terribly wrong?
How? Let me count the ways: Shooting an innocent person due to a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of a situation? A shootout between nitwits with bullets flying everywhere, including at innocent bystanders?
The only realistic, potentially positive outcome of this "I got a gun,**** " approach to crime control would be an after-the-fact shooting of a shooter. The first guy would still be dead. But I guess you'd feel better because you pulled a Wyatt Earp and took out someone before the lawyers could get ahold of the situation.
It's all weak and fraught with peril. Here's what I'd like to see: you have no gun, I have no gun, and everyone who uses a gun to commit a crime goes to a fudge-packer prison for a minimum of a year to do some very dark time. Call it the "gun hotel" and reserve it especially for crimes that involved guns. Start taking our guns off the street one by one, ban handguns and assault weapons altogether, penalize the companies that make handguns to within an inch of their life, and let the people who need to shoot deer keep their long guns. If having a gun is so damn important, start the long and laborious process of getting rid of small arms. It would take several generations, but we could do it.
And, oh, by the way. All this crap about it being the first step toward fascism is foolishness; and the claim that we would be hurting legitimate collectors is such a tortured defense that it is almost painful. Banning personal nuclear devices hurts collectors of PND's. Banning large stocks of nitric acid hurts collectors of nitric acid. And so on.
It all comes down to this, my friend. You want your gun, you have the fantasy that the world would be safer if we all had guns, and you don't look at the likely as opposed to the ideal consequences of this type of behavior.
I know I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. Here's one thing I know, though. I won't shoot you by accident; you might shoot me or one of my kids by accident, thinking you were stopping a crime. "Oops, sorry man. I thought that was a gun you were carrying." Nice world you propose.
Sounds like someone needs to get a life. Besides missing or ignoring the frustration that people feel in the face unfathomable violence and the correct perception that society, probably thanks to people like you, is much too forgiving of thugs and criminals, you obviously don't know or don't care that law-abiding gun owners and carriers are responsible for zero deaths in the scenario you created.
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I'm looking for suggestions from readers. How would someone go about increasing their chances of being the victim of a home invasion? I'm tired of going to the shooting range and paying for target practice. Besides, they don't have moving targets at the firing range. Of course I'd feel terrible if I had to shoot someone breaking into my house, of course, who wouldn't? Right?
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Well, let me play the game a little. I miss the frustration people feel in the face of unfathomable violence? I spent years living in North Minneapolis, BeammeupScotty, and I probably know more about frustration, fear, my own and others' racial biases and subterranean prejudices, ill- and uneducated people, and guns than you ever will. I now live in Northern Minnesota (not Canada, like the paper has me listed), and I see the flip side of law abiding, angry, anti-government, gun-obsessed, pickup and four wheeler and "all attempts at control are communist incursions into our freedom" folks. And, here's the hard truth -- there ain't no difference between black punks and white drunks when they have a weapon at their command. Ignorant angry people of any stripe -- and I include folks like Your Mama, the writer further up in this chain, who are so angry that they call me an imbecile because they disagree with me -- will perform angry acts because they don't have meaningful control over their anger. If they only shot each other it would be a sad Darwinian culling of the herd. But they don't. And who, pray tells me, knows when the threat level of a situation is sufficiently high to start slinging lead? My guess is that if got out of my car and walked up to the man who called me an imbecile above, and starting getting in his face about something, he'd think it was right and just to bring out a side arm. Sorry folks, arming everyone doesn't work. Even nations have figured that out and are now working on disarmament pacts. If you can't control anger you can't control violence. And we aren't going to control anger. Therefore, we should try to limit the violence that can be done in anger.

Oh, one last thing. I didn't mean "only a year" for using a gun. I mean a year above and beyond any other sentence. Threaten your neighbor with a gun -- a year of hard time. Rob a store of a pack of chewing gum -- a year of hard time. Wave a gun in a car wash at someone who pisses you off -- a year of hard time. See ya, angry guys. Enjoy your cellmates.
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The last thing we need is more idiots on the street with guns. You are not Charles Bronson.
What we need is more good cops, not these crooked ones that are popping up left and right in Minneapolis.
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Person of Interest wrote:
The time has come for all law abiding citizens to apply for your conceal-carry permit, take the firearms training, buy a handgun and learn to shoot. How many homicides and robberies is that in one week? We need to do what the police and courts can't. We need to get these people off of the streets.
This revolving door system we call justice is not working! The thugs are armed and they don't hesitate to shoot. We can do this in a law-abiding way. Contact your county for a permit to purchase a handgun. Fill out the paperwork and you will have your permit within 30 days. Then contact Bill's gun shop or Gander Mountain and ask them about conceal and carry classes. The thugs don't have to go to all this trouble, they steal their guns. Isn't it odd that some people in Congress want to stop us from buying guns legally in the naive belief that thugs won't have access to guns anymore?
The life you save may be your child or your own.
There are too many stupid people with guns. I think you might be one of them.
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Reading this just makes it all so real my daddy has 5 kids I am his oldest and only girl and my whole life my dad was a great father he done everything for me and my brothers he was always there for me what ever I wanted he gave it to me that Monday my daddy called and said he was on his way I waited for him I called his phone he didn't answare that's not like my dad when ever I call he answare I had a feeling something wasn't right but I didn't really know now he's gone I don't know how I'm going to live without my daddy I just don't know what to do why did they have to take a wonderful person like my daddy that never hurt no one my father loved nice things and his truck he kept looking good on the license plates is my sister that died at 2 months name my dad was doing so good he was just going to open his own buisness working with cars my dad loved cars and his kids my dad and I was planing my son first birthday party hid birthday was the 4th of october but he didn't make it to that date before my dad leaves out the door I give him a hug and a kiss and say I love you or befor we get of the phone we say I love you but I just didn't think it was going to be the last time that sunday when he left my house I love my daddy and miss him so much he was the funniest person i ever known I miss him so much I still can't believe he's gone it hurt so bad like I can't breath.
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BAN THE GUNS wrote:
Come on OBAMA ...you said you'd work to ban the guns...get on it !!
Your right, guns and crime are directly related; reduce the number of guns, crime goes down. In order to get back on the Democracy highway, guns will have to go.
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jerrida i'm so sorry about what happened to your dad i just found out last week.i use to date your dad when he stayed on blaisdell.my name is kim back in december your dad showed me pictures of you and the baby i'm hurting to sweety you are not alone if you need anything or you need to talk call me anytime yoube strong i love you.

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