Report: 1 dead after officer-involved shooting in St. Louis Park

One person is dead in an officer-involved shooting early this morning in St. Louis Park, a local television station is reporting.

[who are you]

we all know this "officer" should of fallowed the car,called for a "on duty" patrol
and had the one with the dash cam do the job.
now here goes another he said, they said...
how much is this going to cost and who is going to pay?
when are our police officers going to start conducting them selfs as employies
and work by job guide lines and rules vs. crime stopping super hero's in a world and class all of thier own.
Yes they have a high level of work hazards, but they choose to take the job.

[ron burgandy]

This will not turn out well. How do you pull over a car off duty. This sounds like trouble for st louie park.

[Badge Seven One Five]

1. Law Enforcement is never " off duty". There are paid shifts and over time yes, but if you stand in a line at the C Store at 1 am and a robber comes in the store. You know the guy behind you is a cop, but the robber demands your money or kidnaps your child ( what are you doing at that hour ?) YOU WOULD TURN TO THE OFFICER IN CIVIY CLOTHES AND SAY, " DO SOMETHING, YOU ARE A COP. " That happened in Denver.
2. Also an officer can use citizen's arrest.
3. Anybody can defend them self.
4. That car needed to be stopped before the driver killed YOU.

Instead of all these little bitty cities, with all different rules etc let us just get it down to two. Since Mpls will never render to St Paul nor St Paul to Mpls, let us just get all others across county lines etc and have just two, West Metro and East Metro. Same rules for all, costs will be cut, same uniforms, same marked car appearances, public has same expectations and more.
After all we have one provider of lights X something or other. If private business can do it, then so can the local gov combine and do it. Two cities, two mayors, two councils, two school districts....just two. No more cities and counties. Just two gov heads. You can still call one St Paul the other Minneapolis.

[Javier]

who are you wrote:

we all know this "officer" should of fallowed the car,called for a "on duty" patrol
and had the one with the dash cam do the job.
now here goes another he said, they said...
how much is this going to cost and who is going to pay?
when are our police officers going to start conducting them selfs as employies
and work by job guide lines and rules vs. crime stopping super hero's in a world and class all of thier own.
Yes they have a high level of work hazards, but they choose to take the job.

Officers may initiate traffic stops off duty. They MAY choose not to, but if they are in their squad they are not "really" off duty. What would you think if you saw a vehicle traveling erratically right in front of a police car? Yeah, you would expect the officer to conduct a traffic stop. THINK!!! Idiot.

[Plymn]

And what would have happened had the driver crossed into oncomming traffic and killed someone while the policeman was waiting for an on-duty policeman?

I am certain the last thing an off-duty policeman wants to do is start something that is not absolutely necessary at that time of the morning.

I'm sorry the driver was dead but I am certain 1. The driver was doing something illegal 2. the driver initiated the fight 3. If you comply with the police, you won't get injured or killed.

[No spin zone]

Another unarmed citizen shot by cops. OK thin blue lie lets spin this on in your favor.

[TtB]

KSTP just reported the officer was in his personal vehicle. KMSP had on it's website that the officer was "Reportedly stabbed", but that hasn't been reported anywhere else.

[James]

Here is a likely scenario. An "off-duty" officer in plain clothes is driving his personal vehicle which is unmarked. He believes he witnesses a crime. Fine. He decides to pull over the suspect. He places a flashing light on his dash to affect the traffic stop (better choice would be to call the crime in by dialing 911). The guy who is pulled over asked the 'officer' to identify himself but the 'officer' is unable to do so (he is in plain clothes. Now, the 'officer' is pointing a gun at the suspect. The suspect tells him to get screwed (justifiably so). The suspect truly believes that this is not a true police officer (no uniform, no marked squad) and decides that he is not having any of this crap. So, he defends himself against the 'officer'. Then, the 'officer' shoots him and kills him. This whole incident stinks. There is no reason for this to happen.

[The Real Whatever]

James wrote:

Here is a likely scenario. An "off-duty" officer in plain clothes is driving his personal vehicle which is unmarked. He believes he witnesses a crime. Fine. He decides to pull over the suspect. He places a flashing light on his dash to affect the traffic stop (better choice would be to call the crime in by dialing 911). The guy who is pulled over asked the 'officer' to identify himself but the 'officer' is unable to do so (he is in plain clothes. Now, the 'officer' is pointing a gun at the suspect. The suspect tells him to get screwed (justifiably so). The suspect truly believes that this is not a true police officer (no uniform, no marked squad) and decides that he is not having any of this crap. So, he defends himself against the 'officer'. Then, the 'officer' shoots him and kills him. This whole incident stinks. There is no reason for this to happen.

Boy we sure are fortunate to have you around to figure all of this out based on the limited information currently available. From all of this, you got that the officer was neither in a squad or in uniform, that he did not identify himself, and that the so called "victim" was some unfortunate soul just trying to defend himself. Perhaps he should have just let the drunk driver kill somebody or curled up in a ball when attacked by the passenger.

[Wow]

James wrote:

Here is a likely scenario. An "off-duty" officer in plain clothes is driving his personal vehicle which is unmarked. He believes he witnesses a crime. Fine. He decides to pull over the suspect. He places a flashing light on his dash to affect the traffic stop (better choice would be to call the crime in by dialing 911). The guy who is pulled over asked the 'officer' to identify himself but the 'officer' is unable to do so (he is in plain clothes. Now, the 'officer' is pointing a gun at the suspect. The suspect tells him to get screwed (justifiably so). The suspect truly believes that this is not a true police officer (no uniform, no marked squad) and decides that he is not having any of this crap. So, he defends himself against the 'officer'. Then, the 'officer' shoots him and kills him. This whole incident stinks. There is no reason for this to happen.

Procedure for most police departments would be to "call it in" and only using weapon as last "force" option.

Still need more facts to come out before passing judgment though PO's are notorious for having a CYA writing-style when crafting their reports, so unless there were some independent (and honest) eye witnesses, we may never know happened out there except that a person is dead at the hands of an off duty police officer.

[Yowza]

SLP cops have been pretty fair with me.

One really good thing that will come of this; Those that do not live a law abiding lifestyle will think twice about living that lifestyle in my city.

Sorry your dead dude, but you stabbed a cop. In my fair city, that is the desired outcome. Your dead, he is not.

Just an average joe from the Texa-Tonka hood!

[Freedomlover]

Badge Seven One Five wrote:

1. Law Enforcement is never " off duty". There are paid shifts and over time yes, but if you stand in a line at the C Store at 1 am and a robber comes in the store. You know the guy behind you is a cop, but the robber demands your money or kidnaps your child ( what are you doing at that hour ?) YOU WOULD TURN TO THE OFFICER IN CIVIY CLOTHES AND SAY, " DO SOMETHING, YOU ARE A COP. " That happened in Denver.
2. Also an officer can use citizen's arrest.
3. Anybody can defend them self.
4. That car needed to be stopped before the driver killed YOU.
Instead of all these little bitty cities, with all different rules etc let us just get it down to two. Since Mpls will never render to St Paul nor St Paul to Mpls, let us just get all others across county lines etc and have just two, West Metro and East Metro. Same rules for all, costs will be cut, same uniforms, same marked car appearances, public has same expectations and more.
After all we have one provider of lights X something or other. If private business can do it, then so can the local gov combine and do it. Two cities, two mayors, two councils, two school districts....just two. No more cities and counties. Just two gov heads. You can still call one St Paul the other Minneapolis.

East Metro and West Metro? You sound like some socialist scumbag. We're a republic of suburbs you moron. Out of many suburbs is freedom and other stuff. United we stand. You're not taking away my local soverignism. Get out of my country. Now.

[Fallacy]

HEY LETS JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS!!!! I MEAN, HEY, THE ARTICLE PRESENTED SO MUCH INFORMATION AND YOU, SITTING AT YOUR COMPUTER, CAN SAFELY JUDGE THE SITUATION!!!! WOW!!! YOU ARE SO SMART!!!!

who are you wrote:

we all know this "officer" should of fallowed the car,called for a "on duty" patrol
and had the one with the dash cam do the job.
now here goes another he said, they said...
how much is this going to cost and who is going to pay?
when are our police officers going to start conducting them selfs as employies
and work by job guide lines and rules vs. crime stopping super hero's in a world and class all of thier own.
Yes they have a high level of work hazards, but they choose to take the job.

[Fallacy]

Wow wrote:

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Procedure for most police departments would be to "call it in" and only using weapon as last "force" option.
Still need more facts to come out before passing judgment though PO's are notorious for having a CYA writing-style when crafting their reports, so unless there were some independent (and honest) eye witnesses, we may never know happened out there except that a person is dead at the hands of an off duty police officer.

You are using Circular Reasoning. "More facts need to come out; but Police Officers are notorious for writing CYA reports. How do you prove that? Can you prove that? Or are you injecting your own bias into a situation that really nobody knows anything about yet? Don't state a premise then state another premise to prove your first premise.

[Fallacy]

I am thankful you have already figured this out based on the limited information in the article. Why are you wasting your time behind a computer spouting illogic and fallacies when you could be out there solving all the crime in this state!!! Please, use your amazing powers of deduction to help the lesfortunate in this state!!!!

No spin zone wrote:

Another unarmed citizen shot by cops. OK thin blue lie lets spin this on in your favor.

[Fallacy]

Police Officers have the legal authority in intervene if they are off-duty if they believe a crime has been committed or is about to be committed. An average citizen has every right to intervene if they believe they have witnessed a crime. The fact that a citizens arrest maybe more difficult it true; but that depends on the circumstance. Would an unarmed citizen take on a a maniac in a mall shooting people, probably not, but they still can. Since the article that was printed was so limited, the story should come out in full before judgement is rendered. The can test the BAC in the driver that was killed (which is standard upon death) and they can determine the BAC level even if several hours have passed based on mathematiical formulas that calculate rate of burn off, rate of absorption etc.

Head Out of AZ wrote:

Badge 715
1. There was no kidnapping nor robery.
2. Have you ever attempted to make a citizens arrest? Sounds easy doesn't it, too bad that isn't reality.
3. Anyone can defend themselves. We saw that in Coon Rapids a couple years ago with an attitude laiden cop and a carry permit holder during a road rage incident. That won't work out for the citizen but the cop goes free even though he initiated the incident.
4. Was the drivers BAL .20,.08,.06 we will never know.
5. Maybe instead of haveing a whold bunch of itty bitty cities or states all with different rules, maybe we should have only on controlling force. We can call it the Gestapo or KGB. OH wait, they have been used before.

[No spin zone]

Fallacy wrote:

I am thankful you have already figured this out based on the limited information in the article. Why are you wasting your time behind a computer spouting illogic and fallacies when you could be out there solving all the crime in this state!!! Please, use your amazing powers of deduction to help the lesfortunate in this state!!!!
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I happen to be in a new and up and coming group called cop check. Where it will be our jobs to help the Joe citizen fight back against all these John Wayne cops . The group is just getting started here in Mn but due to all the law suites against cops and unarmed shootings they are moving fast to get established. So while your running your mouth wasting time on your key board, I'm doing something about it. So put that in your meth pipe and somke it.

[Posterboy]

And IF the driver killed somebody while waiting for another cruiser to show up... all you people bashing this guy right now would still be bashing him because he didn't do anything. Everybody loves a cop when they need them and then turns around on them the moment they don't. If you haven't done the job then you don't know jack. And BTW: its not that hard to make a citizens arrest. Ive made over 300 in the past 4 years.

[Wow]

Posterboy wrote:

And IF the driver killed somebody while waiting for another cruiser to show up... all you people bashing this guy right now would still be bashing him because he didn't do anything. Everybody loves a cop when they need them and then turns around on them the moment they don't. If you haven't done the job then you don't know jack. And BTW: its not that hard to make a citizens arrest. Ive made over 300 in the past 4 years.

And of those 300 citizen's arrests, how many ended with a death? Just curious...

[Clueless]

Wow wrote:

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Fact: Police officers LIE
Fact: Most police reports are 50 percent fact/50 percent "embellishment" (also known in literary circles as "fiction").

Fact: Criminals lie too.

Fact: You made up the second statistic about police reports and have no clue what you are talking about and can't/won't supply a link to support it.

Fact: Your just another idiot with a keyboard.