Oregon cherry growers decry lack of f...

Some Oregon farmers contend that the U.S. government's decision to place National Guard troops along the Mexican border is contributing to a shortage of workers to pick ripe fruit. Full Story
Marie Lewis

Keller, TX

#1 Jun 29, 2006
I PAY ARABS for my gas...So Why not pay Americans for my fruit.
Pay better wages you breeders of Illegals..And I will gladly pay higher prices for fruit at the store..For this very reason I do NOT AND WILL NOT BUY CHICKEN..
Neal

AOL

#2 Jun 30, 2006
Give em Hell Marie! Good for you and the chicken ... more of us need to make that connection. Here's some quotes I found interesting from the article:

"Why did President Bush do this before harvest?" --- He didn't, he wouldn't have done it at all had the House of Representatives not finally passed an illegal immigration bill to curb it. Mr. Bush is watching out for is "Have more" buddies; continuing their supply of cheep labor, if illegally.

"experts in migrant labor say the number of migrant workers passing through the Willamette Valley has been dropping for years." --- That's because they're no longer passing through; they're having children, settling down into year-round employment. Why not, the state of Oregon's bending over backwards to provide them benefits, benefits paid for, yet not out of reach, of its working class citizens...

"There is a lot of fear out there because of what's happening around the nation with the immigration situation" --- Well, that won't last long. Neither Bush, nor our lame Senate will follow through on any lasting solutions, they're more concerned with the upcoming election, and their 'base.' I remember the firestorm around a year ago when the INS began rounding up and deporting illegals in California. "Cruel and unusual" went the cry! "Why are you picking on them?!" --Because that's their job? Pick em up and ship em back... Lets see how long this 'fear' lasts...?

This about says it all: "Nusom said the pickers he hires all have documents showing their legal status, but he wouldn't be surprised if some of them entered the country illegally. "Our entire labor supply is pretty much immigration, whether they're legal or illegal," he said." --- So, they all have 'legal documents' but are likely here illegally..? Is that anything like "Fuzzy Math?" In this day and age of ultra-surveillance and electronic-tracking of nearly everything, our government can't provide an instant Social Security Number check? Can they buy guns just as easy? Answer: the Governments not looking, and the Employers aren't asking - period --- And, what's this about their "entire labor supply" is likely illegal? Funny - that wasn't the lead off quote for this entire article? That's pretty typical reporting though ... swept it to the last sentence of the piece; wouldn't want to upset any local advertisers would we...?
nancy

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Jul 5, 2006
Actually, Farmers and the US government (Forest Service) hire a contractor who is always here legally. The contractor bid, then finds and employ his own crew. It is in his best interest to find the people that will work for the lowest wages so he can pocket more money. Agriculture in a huge business and Bush is not going to get in the way of this long established system.
Two thoughts.
Would you be willing to pick cherries? How about plant or harvest lettuce or strawberries. I bet you would not last a day. Would you want YOU OWN children to work this hard? The work, especially the "stoop labor" is literally backbreaking. Would you dig trenches and fell trees (and inhale smoke) in an active fire area for $10.00 an hour and no insurance? Would you slaughter chickens or grow mushrooms for minimum wage?
The fact is that people come here to take these jobs because it is BETTER than anything they would have in Mexico. Poverty is a very subjective thing. Ever meet a Canadian contract farm worker? Of course not.
There is absolutely no benefit to the US to help the Mexican economy (FYI: I am NOT advocating this!)
The "guest worker" program would be a windfall for employers as the employee could not leave the job no matter what happens, how they are treated or even if they are paid fairly because they could not go elsewhere to work, just return to Mexico. This is especially problematic and dangerous for young women. I do not have to spell out why, do I ?
Why is it that everyone talks about the "benefits" that undocumented workers get? They are not eligible for any public assistance. Yes, their children who are born here do get medical. Really the problem is that many hard working Americans, including children, do not have insurance or access to affordable health care. This has nothing to do with immigration. This has everything to do with those at the top, like drug companies, no controls on prices. They get all the tax breaks and assistance at our expense. National Heath Care is simply not "good business".
The whole "Immigration crisis" was cooked up just to divert attention to all of the republican scandals and the idiotic mess we are making in the middle east. It is perfect, an issue meant to polarize, with lots of misinformation and even more hysteria. A flag wavers dream. The sad this is it seems to have worked.
amber

Dearborn, MI

#4 Aug 27, 2006
nowun whill lick you cull
MAC

Portland, OR

#5 Aug 27, 2006
amber wrote:
nowun whill lick you cull
I couldn't have said it better.

Haven't the cherries been awesome this year. And the prices have been great.
Neal

AOL

#6 Aug 29, 2006
Apparently, someone's combing the area for stuff they 'like.' And how'd I miss this one from good-ol Nancy...? She, too, has a cultural link to this, thus, has chosen to support the current invasion from Latin America... Funny how that works: an entire nation, made up of diverse groups of people, yet those who're fighting this invasion the least eventually admit their links to south of the border...? Anyway, here's "Nancy."

Says Nanc:(quotation marks don't seem to work around here)--- Would you be willing to pick cherries? How about plant or harvest lettuce or strawberries. I bet you would not last a day. Would you want YOU OWN children to work this hard?--- Nancy nancy nan.. you picked on the wrong guy here, that's how I was brought up! Picking cherries is a blast, those three-legged ladders are fun, and tall. But I've done it all, and just as my parents knew it would - I learned to work and the - value of a dollar. Not only would I 'want' my OWN CHILDREN to experience this (can't pick under 12 in Oregon anymore I believe), I've made sure they have... Do they like it, did I like it, do the illegal aliens jump to full time less labor intensive work at their first opportunity -?--- No, No, and Yes!

You go on to list all the jobs you can think of that involve illegal labor's who, by filling those jobs, keep the minimum wage as low as it is... If they split for HOME, leaving our national labor pool to fill those jobs, I guarantee the wages would go up. Then I might apply! But just like the local nurseries around me, they're not looking for US Citizen workers - we're not desperate enough. But with the attitude of -MAC-(Mexican-American-Califor nian), we soon will!
MAC

Salem, OR

#7 Aug 29, 2006
Neal wrote:
But with the attitude of -MAC-(Mexican-American-Califor nian), we soon will!
See! You miss me already.

Awww. I'm blushing.
MAC

Salem, OR

#8 Aug 29, 2006
Neal wrote:
You go on to list all the jobs you can think of that involve illegal labor's who, by filling those jobs, keep the minimum wage as low as it is... If they split for HOME, leaving our national labor pool to fill those jobs, I guarantee the wages would go up. Then I might apply! But just like the local nurseries around me, they're not looking for US Citizen workers - we're not desperate enough. But with the attitude of -MAC-(Mexican-American-Califor nian), we soon will!
Actually, Congress and the states set the minimum wage. I doubt wages would go up much if all the illegal workers left. I'd bet, though, that a lot of family farms would go under after 1) they couldn't get their crop to market; or 2) they had to pay more in wages than they could affort; and/or 3) they couldn't get people to pay the higher prices they asked for because of higher wages.

So then some big corporation would buy more of these family farms, convince congress to establish a guest-worker program and we'd be where we would have been had right-wing, hardline anti-Mexican advocate not killed reasonable immigration reform in Congress this year.

And that would suck,'cause man, I really like cherries.
Neal

AOL

#9 Aug 29, 2006
There's an intricate web of employment right now... Society pays and pays for the detrimental effects and social services of and to Millions of illegal aliens, yet we're supposedly receiving such tremendous benefits as they work for wages that barely sustain 'their' lifestyle, let alone ours. And, they often send, if not eventually spend the bulk of their earnings in THEIR home nation south of our border...

Seems to me, if we enforced the last set of employer sanctions, as established to 'offset' the most recent Amnesty -of 1986- illegal workers would have no option but to leave, unassisted. Once gone, wages everywhere would have to become realistically livable, which current minimum wages aren't (obviously, Federal or State). Sooo, some might pay a few cents more a pound for their cherries; or, get out there and U-pick them... But if 'small farmers' can't survive without desperate dirt-wage illegals, how will they survive after they're all legalized, and begin to 'demand' more pay for farm labor..? With that big shinny new fence, electronic surveillance and unmanned drones between us, how will these poor farmers continue to survive anyway?-maybe use some Family labor?- Every employer who's business strategy has become reliant on hiring illegal aliens should be out of business right now! And if you couldn't afford LEGAL Cherries, you'd best plant a tree or two (for pollination) and grow your own.
Michele

AOL

#10 Dec 12, 2008
Neal wrote:
Apparently, someone's combing the area for stuff they 'like.' And how'd I miss this one from good-ol Nancy...? She, too, has a cultural link to this, thus, has chosen to support the current invasion from Latin America... Funny how that works: an entire nation, made up of diverse groups of people, yet those who're fighting this invasion the least eventually admit their links to south of the border...? Anyway, here's "Nancy."
Says Nanc:(quotation marks don't seem to work around here)--- Would you be willing to pick cherries? How about plant or harvest lettuce or strawberries. I bet you would not last a day. Would you want YOU OWN children to work this hard?--- Nancy nancy nan.. you picked on the wrong guy here, that's how I was brought up! Picking cherries is a blast, those three-legged ladders are fun, and tall. But I've done it all, and just as my parents knew it would - I learned to work and the - value of a dollar. Not only would I 'want' my OWN CHILDREN to experience this (can't pick under 12 in Oregon anymore I believe), I've made sure they have... Do they like it, did I like it, do the illegal aliens jump to full time less labor intensive work at their first opportunity -?--- No, No, and Yes!
You go on to list all the jobs you can think of that involve illegal labor's who, by filling those jobs, keep the minimum wage as low as it is... If they split for HOME, leaving our national labor pool to fill those jobs, I guarantee the wages would go up. Then I might apply! But just like the local nurseries around me, they're not looking for US Citizen workers - we're not desperate enough. But with the attitude of -MAC-(Mexican-American-Califor nian), we soon will!
I don't really have a comment. I found this site, because I typed in three legged ladders + Oregon. I would really like to find one for my father, who has been wanting one for years, but can't find them anywhere. Where are they sold? I am in the Gresham area. Thanks.
Neal

United States

#11 Dec 12, 2008
Michele, get your Dad a 3-legged latter here: http://www.wilco.coop/Divisions/Farm_Stores/L... Pretty much any Wilco farm store sells them, I'd suggest an 8 footer, 10 feet at the most.
sparky

Sweet Home, OR

#12 Feb 9, 2009
Keep the pickers in Mexico! We could have Americans pick and would solve alot of our unemployment and crime. Crime rate goes up 70+% when they are here. Watch the news, most buglaries, rapes and murders are illegal or temp. Mexicans. Cheat the owners of the field whenever they can. And yes our tax dollars go to them. Their kids go to school/daycare while they are picking. The can recieve welfare and food stamps. Many never get married so both can collect with different last names. Another reason why the DMV got stricter.(OUR TAX DOLLARS.) They pay no taxes here. I would pay more for my fruit if needed. We are now the minority. Are paying for others and soon this entire country will be owned by China and a few others. By the way, why do we always borrow money from China when we are supossed to be The Greatest Nation?

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