Roll Up The Welcome Mat - Editorial

Roll Up The Welcome Mat - Editorial

There are 42 comments on the www.oregonlive.com story from Oct 12, 2009, titled Roll Up The Welcome Mat - Editorial. In it, www.oregonlive.com reports that:

There are plenty of Willamette Valley communities that would warmly greet the Klamath tribes if they came to town to develop manufacturing, retail shopping or a medical center to create jobs and care for tribal members.

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Chiloquin Guy

Bellingham, WA

#1 Oct 13, 2009
They can't even managed what they've got themselves involved in now. Look at their casino.
U R Right

Montesano, WA

#2 Oct 18, 2009
You got that right, that is the most filthy stinken casino in Oreogn, You walk in and your hit with a foul odor and if your lucky enough to get a drink you can't sit it down because of all the trash piled around and that's after you clean ashes off a chair to sit down in. Then you go to play a machine and your money keeps coming back out or you go to cash out and you can't get your ticket. People hound you for money and you look around to see where security is and they are off in some corner visiting with the change person or other personnel, you go to the cage and you have to stand in line because they only have one window open, if you order anything from the deli you have to clean a table off. I guess the general manager approves of this since it never changes. I don't go there anymore. I would rather spend my money in a place that is clean and employees treat you good and that is in every other casino in Oregon. I think they should change their name to klamoyuk
Dont come back

Sweet Home, OR

#3 Oct 20, 2009
If you don't like it. Your post is absolute bullshit and you know it. I see your from Aurora, you will know who the Klamath Tribes are when we're camping in your back door and you can't do a damn thing about it!!
Klamath Indian

Klamath Falls, OR

#4 Oct 20, 2009
Hey Chicken Krap (U R RIGHT ). We never asked for your stinking ass to come to our Casino. If it's sooo Baad for you then take this as an invitation to stick your comment straight up your ivory clean ASS !!! Believe me when I say we wont die out because of you!!! The Klamath's, Modocs, Yahooskin's have been thru hell and back and we're still here so stick that up your ass and don't come back!!!!!! Also post your real name chicken-shit!!!!!
U R Right

Montesano, WA

#5 Oct 21, 2009
K.I.
With that attitude it's no wonder your only getting $30. per-capitas. I would think you would get a clue from what was said and try to better your enterprise but if all you can do is talk crap then it's no wonder your casino has went no where after 12 years and your truck stop went no where after several days.Do you really believe that only tribal guests can keep your casino doors open, if so go ahead and run off non tribal guests. I will not be disrespectful to you by cussing you nor will I again address any more of your rantings, you can cuss me all you want. I'm not the one being hurt by it. I did notice that you didn't post your real name, does that make you what you called me. There is one last thing I will say to you.
I just bet your the pride of your tribe
Chiloquin Guy

Longview, WA

#6 Oct 21, 2009
The comments from Dont come back and Klamath Indian attack the messenger but do not dispute the message. What was said is the truth but rather than deal with the truth they choose to attack the messenger. That is one of the problems with their tribe - they won't or can't deal with the reality of their situation so they need to put the blame on others.

And when confronted with reality they use foul language and alcohol / drug induced comments to portray their demented understanding of their reality.

They are an embarrassment to those tribal members who do care but are in the minority.

But they don't seem to care why they get such small per-capita payments; I personally know of a tribe in southern San Diego county the same size as the Klamath that received their per-capita payment of over $48,000 per tribal member. Their tribe knows how to run a casino venture and how to manage their funding.

There are many examples of properly operated tribal ventures to be used as templates for this tribe to follow but the Klamath really don't seem (as a tribe) to have much Pride or Care about their assets or their standing.
Dont come back

Sweet Home, OR

#7 Oct 21, 2009
Yea, southern san diego county, If you are so smart why can't you see the population they draw from is the reason they are successful. We are located in the most poverty ridden county in the state of Oregon. And I do not post in a drunken/drug induced state. I am educated and do not use drugs or drink alcohol but this filthy casino you talk about is not what I see when I go into Klamoya. The staff is friendly and deliver superior service compared to casino's elsewhere. So seriously you can blow me!!
Chiloquin Guy

Longview, WA

#8 Oct 21, 2009
Dont come back wrote:
Yea, southern san diego county, If you are so smart why can't you see the population they draw from is the reason they are successful. We are located in the most poverty ridden county in the state of Oregon. And I do not post in a drunken/drug induced state. I am educated and do not use drugs or drink alcohol but this filthy casino you talk about is not what I see when I go into Klamoya. The staff is friendly and deliver superior service compared to casino's elsewhere.
Of course they have a larger population density to draw to thier establishment; that is a given, but do some simple math - say their profits per month are 10 times that of your casino. That would still equate to a per capita payment for you of over $4800.- rather than your few bucks your tribe is able to get for you.
It may make you feel good but it is one of the worst run business I have ever seen. Go into any other casino in Oregon and then you will see what an embarrassment your casino is in comparison.
Keith Jackson

Klamath Falls, OR

#9 Oct 21, 2009
The reason I got so pissed off by UR Right's comments is my tribe has dealt with being ripped off during termination, getting blamed for the water situation, and yes some alcohol/drug abuse issues within our tribe, personaly I have been sober for 13 years, believe me big mouth know it all, we as a tribe know what is wrong. I go to Klamoya and get nothing but hellos and smiles!! Maybe what the problem is at Klamoya is all the White People someone has hired is being rude to you, or maybe your a gamble-holic which is great for us!!!(Yea) shove another twenty in!!!! Don't hate on our casino because you shoved all your money in! The solution is to come back and try again , and again, and again... Keith Jackson is my name UR Right , what's yours? Just wondering so I can Give you a great big hug when you come to our little casino. I love all my Klamath Tribe people.. Maybe chiloquin guy should go get hired and show us how it's done!! Put up or shut-up..
Peanut

Gig Harbor, WA

#10 Oct 22, 2009
I'm behin Keith!! Put up or shut-up!!!
Concerned in Oregon

Montesano, WA

#11 Oct 22, 2009
I didn't take U R Right comments as downing the Tribe, I read it as pointing out how poorly the casino seems to be run. Like Chiloquin Guy pointed out again the messenger was attacked. It doesn't matter if this person is a gamble- holic what matters is they are probably shoving their twentys in at another casino, sadly that's klamoya's lost.
Chiloquin Guy

Bellingham, WA

#12 Oct 22, 2009
It seems to me that those who have responded in the negative so far (and mostly childish responses at that) do not understand what and how a properly run business operation should look like. Sure some locals will always be greeted by those who personally know them and for the most part the door greeters are very nice to most people when a door greeter is available. It's the overall physical condition of the casino - broken down, ill repaired storage cabinets in the Rapids Deli / wobbly tables and mismatched chairs in the Deli / equipment as old as the casino and in need of replacement / the EXACT same menu items / smelly, dark playing areas - that's what is visual. Employees who are treated so poorly by the casino's management that they just show up to collect their paychecks and don't care more than that (sure there will always be a few exceptional employees who are friendly / outgoing / caring even in the face of such a poorly operated environment). The main cause for the casino's poor performance is the management and the Tribal heads that DO NOT CARE how the funds are spent and/or if they are being used to the best / most efficient way possible – and are not held accountable for their actions or lack of being able to operate the business properly. Most are under-educated in the ways of proper business management techniques and reply on their "gut feel" on how to do things and over the 12 years of the casino's existence it shows that their way has not done very much good for the Tribe. The casino looks a lot like their personal dwellings.

98% of opposing viewpoints to the original post do have the slightest idea of what is really going on nor do they remember from year to year all of the missing dollars - plans never realized - progress not happening. It all adds up to millions of dollars that have been wasted and a casino that looks old / smells old / no desire by those in charge to make improvements other than new slot machines now and then / on and on and on. And a Tribal administration that is not accountable for their performance.

The Tribe allows for an casino employee to have the job title of Executive Chef who does not know anything about restaurant management / can't make change for a dollar even with help / serves the same thing day in and day out (anyone else had their fill of buttered rice and small red beans?)/ cooks everything days in advance and then reheats it to serve - no wonder it all tastes like very poor camp food / throws away thousands of dollars of food each week because she can't MANAGE preparation based on the number of diners per hour per weekly average / uses premium ingredients to put out below average food on a regular basis / more and more people have intestinal problems after eating at the Buffet. Actions show that she doesn't care about the food she is in charge of preparing or if it is safe to serve to the public and is allowed to get away with it. There are so many examples just in the food areas that any knowledgeable and CARING employee in charge could make better with ever little effort - but they are NOT ALLOWED to make changes by the current management (the so-called GM).

I truly feel that if an outside investigation were to be conducted on the expenditures by the Tribe and the casino's management and the activity of GRC that there would be major criminal charges brought against more than just a few individuals. My opinion only. But there again I have never ever seen anything run so poorly and allowed to get away with it. maybe they can lose that much $$$$$$ each and every day of the year and get away with it.

Normal business minded people would never let that happen.
Chiloquin Guy

Bellingham, WA

#13 Oct 22, 2009
Maybe Chiloquin guy should go get hired and show us how it's done!! Put up or shut-up..
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I happen to be one of those white guys you’re so easily blaming so whatever I might be able to being to the table (be it over 30+ years of a very successful business career being a major part of running multi-million dollar businesses and also owning multiple business of my own - all profitable which allowed me to sell them and then move to this wonderful area of Oregon) is going to be emotional and personal judged rather than taken as a possible viable source of potential improvement methods, if implemented correctly and managed properly.
I have the business acumen to be able to make my assumptions of the status of the Tribe and casino and I have had the input of reliable sources of datum to validate many of my positions.
If I am wrong or misinformed on anything that I have posted to date then please allow me the opportunity to learn by informing me of the facts / the reality – not overly tainted by emotion or personal preference outside of said facts / reality.
I personally want the best for the Klamath Tribe as I have a selfish interest as a property owner – I want my investments to GROW and they won’t as long as the Tribe allows for itself to be run by the same ones / families that have to date proven to be incompetent managers of the Tribal assets (like the casino).
I’d be more than happy to mentor / assist in Tribal governance (definition for those unfamiliar with the term - governance relates to consistent management, cohesive policies, processes and decision-rights for a given area of responsibility) if given the opportunity without being chastised for being a white guy trying to tell the tribe what to do. It should not matter the color of one’s skin or ancestry – what should matter is the results and your Tribe needs assistance, a great deal of it, to manage its assets to the betterment of the entire tribe. Other tribes are doing it – will yours someday realize as a whole what possible potential is available if they would just learn how to do it?
One can only wish at this time since it sure seems that “outsiders” are not looked at as being here to assist. History is just that (it happened and is over). Learn from the past but don’t repeat that which has caused harm for the Tribe – and right the current wrongs with Pride and Care - and hold those in charge accountable.
Wish to relocate

Longview, WA

#14 Oct 22, 2009
Watch out keith peenut is behind you!
hopefully

Oakville, WA

#15 Oct 22, 2009
Wish to relocate wrote:
Watch out keith peenut is behind you!
tightin up
Keith Jackson

Klamath Falls, OR

#16 Oct 22, 2009
If your so well off and rich and know it all, then how come your not in Vegas or Somewhere running a Casino? You say you moved to our area, Chiloquin. Why would you waste your time here. Don't try to depend on the tribe to line your pockets . Do for yourself, and don't worry about tribal issues and business. The last thing our tribe needs is another moved in know - it - all. Like they say , "Love it or leave it". Don't come to the casino if it offends your delicate sensibility's sooo much. Our tribe will manage like we always have. "Love my tribal people" !!!!!
Peanut

Gig Harbor, WA

#17 Oct 23, 2009
Good Point Keith!!! Chiloquin Guy only knows how old school Market Economy Dynamics can help out old-school businesses, but not newly invented businesses on a reservation-"like" situation!! He Is Wasting his time here, because his wheels will only keep spinning in mud, because they don't know what we are really up against down here in South-Central Kalamity County!!! Why would He have chosen to leave a successful casino and relocate to one that after 12 long years, can't get better, for lesser pay over a higher paying job? HAHAHA!!! Do not try to talk over our heads since you think you are smarter than a bunch of Indians, that you think otherwise!! Keith smelled you out, and I defend Keith, you loser in your own white world!!! Don't go away Mad! Just Go AWAY!!!
Bridge Bum

AOL

#18 Oct 23, 2009
Chiloquin guy just sounds like another dumb transplanted Californian who thinks he knows best. Talking down about the tribes or the drunks who are around. Go back were you came from and keep your uppity snobby ass comments to yourself.
nobodyz bizznezz

Gig Harbor, WA

#19 Oct 23, 2009
Focus on the comments not the person. The casino could use a makeover. It does smell. The food is the same week in week out. Security does stand around yapping. Facilities? except for day crew no one does too much at all (if you can find any of them). The ground under the front awning could use a good power wash. The landscaping is ... well you can see for yourself. What happened to pride in your work? Stop being defensive and taking things personal. The casino needs to be given the once over oh, and expanded. True be the chef comment, as he does nothing but walk around and talk to women staff.
Chiloquin Guy

Bellingham, WA

#20 Oct 23, 2009
Keith Jackson wrote:
If your so well off and rich and know it all, then how come your not in Vegas or Somewhere running a Casino? You say you moved to our area, Chiloquin. Why would you waste your time here. Don't try to depend on the tribe to line your pockets . Do for yourself, and don't worry about tribal issues and business. The last thing our tribe needs is another moved in know - it - all. Like they say , "Love it or leave it". Don't come to the casino if it offends your delicate sensibility's sooo much. Our tribe will manage like we always have. "Love my tribal people" !!!!!
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You are the one calling me rich; I have worked hard for what I have which is what everyone has / had the opportunity to do with their life. Waste my time here? Is that what you think of this area - a waste? It is a very beautiful area that happens to be occupied by way to many lazy people wanting others to care for their needs rather than to do it themselves.
So the tribe doesn't need any help from the outside? Their track record speaks for itself as they have proven time and time again that they do not know what they are doing by the results of their actions to date.
Your comments comes across as you are satisfied with the casino - then good for you. You are in the minority. And you are obliviously not very aware of the reality of things.

Ignorance of reality.

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