Watada discharged - Hawaii News

Watada discharged - Hawaii News

There are 708 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Sep 26, 2009, titled Watada discharged - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The Army grants the officer's resignation under "other than honorable conditions" By Gregg K. Kakesako POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Sep 26, 2009 Return to Paginated View First Lt.

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Nocturnal

Edmonton, Canada

#453 Sep 28, 2009
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Rant, rant, rant.

By the way, those warm and fuzzies are really up to no good. Nuclear secrets hit the headines.

Sing Kumbaya it helps me sleep.
Nick Egnatz Vietnam Vet

Lowell, IN

#454 Sep 28, 2009
The simple facts are that Lt Watada chose to obey the law and refuse to serve in an illegal and immoral war, launched as a war of aggression without the benefit of a UN Security Council resolution as required by the US Constitution. To participate and give orders to those under him in this war would them make him a party to war crimes under the Nuremberg Tribunal.
By doing this he risked years in jail, certainly not the act of a coward. The US government in their trial would not allow Lt Watada to use the defense in court that the war is illegal. Why? Because they knew that if debated in a court of law it would be proven to be illegal. The entire US government is the coward for not allowing this to be debated in a court of law.
Lt Watada's oath was to defend and protect the Constitution. Under Nuremberg he is compelled to refuse a wrongful order even if it initiated from the President.
LEGALIZE PAKALOLO

United States

#455 Sep 28, 2009
Yeah. What he said.

Since: Jan 09

Mililani, HI

#456 Sep 28, 2009
Nick Egnatz Vietnam Vet wrote:
The simple facts are that Lt Watada chose to obey the law and refuse to serve in an illegal and immoral war, launched as a war of aggression without the benefit of a UN Security Council resolution as required by the US Constitution. To participate and give orders to those under him in this war would them make him a party to war crimes under the Nuremberg Tribunal.
By doing this he risked years in jail, certainly not the act of a coward. The US government in their trial would not allow Lt Watada to use the defense in court that the war is illegal. Why? Because they knew that if debated in a court of law it would be proven to be illegal. The entire US government is the coward for not allowing this to be debated in a court of law.
Lt Watada's oath was to defend and protect the Constitution. Under Nuremberg he is compelled to refuse a wrongful order even if it initiated from the President.
Sorry, but the U.S. Constitution DOES NOT have anything concerning a United Nations mandate. Article 2 clearly shows us that Congress is the only one to declare war. But yeah, Bush and other presidents overstepped their bounds when they declare war. Nowadays they do it by Executive Order that in turn basically turns the office of the president into a "kingship". Dangerous grounds the U.S.walks on now. It was a BIG mistake to allow ourselves to become entwined with the U.N.
What a Loser

Honolulu, HI

#457 Sep 28, 2009
Faith wrote:
Many of the postings here reflect what is wrong with our country: unthinking, uncritical people who spout ideology as though it is their own. Ehren Watada exemplifies the independent-thinking U.S. American that questions and acts on his conscience. He is a hero because he dared to say No.
If you can't do the job, then don't take it. He's nothing but a loser.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#458 Sep 28, 2009
HayninAk wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and when he gets into an uncomfortable position as a politician, he can just run away again.
Actually, a more accurate comparison would be that as a politician he will question the issues that don't make sense or don't add up; like he did. It's always funny to see the inaccurate spins that the uninformed, emotional people post -like you. You could not be more inaccurate...but that appears to illustrate your thought process.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#459 Sep 28, 2009
Jazzmaster wrote:
<quoted text>
To quote Jack Nicholson's character in "A Few Good Men":
They (You) Can't Handle The Truth!
Talk about selective hearing and/or wearing rose colored glasses.
We went to war in Iraq for absolutely no (gosh-darned) reason at all. And we are stuck in that quagmire until at least December 2011, which is supposed to be the end date, however, we shall see IF that actually comes to pass. I personally do not think that will be the case.
Why is no one sick over THAT??
You again? Didn't you learn your lesson in the smoking forum where you, again, conveniently "disappeared?" What is the truth oh wise one? Enlighten me...please.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#460 Sep 28, 2009
Hawaii boy wrote:
Watada is a wimp, but so are the Army brass that let him off the hook.
I served when the Army was really "Army Strong" not a pathetic 'politically correct, wimpy outfit' were they now teach mock fights, ask you to think before you fire and to try to be gentle with the enemy...just in case they sue us. In the Army Strong that I know, the Watada of this world would not have been even considered.
Actually, following your line of reasoning, it would mean that he is guilty of treason but he has not been convicted therefore you are wrong...try again. Put the "emotion" away this time and look at this in an objective manner.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#461 Sep 28, 2009
EmbarassedinHI wrote:
All you liberals can say is Bush lied, Bush lied! Educate yourselves why don't you?! US intelligence, British, Egyptian and Russian intelligence all had the same info - Iraq had WMD. Read a book once in a while people instead of getting your info from those wackos in Hollywood or MSNBC!
Tell Watada to stay in the Pacific Northwest - we don't need the likes of him in Hawaii.
So where are the WMD?????? Where is Bin Laden???? It's the same as convicting someone who is innocent of a crime s/he did not commit....ignorant, pure ignorance.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#462 Sep 28, 2009
What a Loser wrote:
<quoted text>
If you can't do the job, then don't take it. He's nothing but a loser.
Who, Bush Jr.? I agree. Unfortunately there are people like you. Which is how Bush was elected in the first place. Looks like you need to take your own advice but in an accurate fashion this time.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#463 Sep 28, 2009
tama2cool2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but the U.S. Constitution DOES NOT have anything concerning a United Nations mandate. Article 2 clearly shows us that Congress is the only one to declare war. But yeah, Bush and other presidents overstepped their bounds when they declare war. Nowadays they do it by Executive Order that in turn basically turns the office of the president into a "kingship". Dangerous grounds the U.S.walks on now. It was a BIG mistake to allow ourselves to become entwined with the U.N.
lol! How accurately well put....
Stumpy

Honolulu, HI

#464 Sep 28, 2009
I wonder how many of Watadacoward's fans are sitting at home, wearing tie-dyed clothes, and are stoned out of their heads. A good number, I'm sure.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#465 Sep 28, 2009
Watada = COWARD
Button Buddha

Rego Park, NY

#466 Sep 28, 2009
Congratulations!
This is wonderful news.
I know you and your family are deeply enjoying this moment; I had the good fortune to hear you all speak in NYC some years ago.
The depth of your integrity and courage is inspiring.
EmbarassedinHI

Honolulu, HI

#467 Sep 28, 2009
Nick Egnatz Vietnam Vet wrote:
The simple facts are that Lt Watada chose to obey the law and refuse to serve in an illegal and immoral war, launched as a war of aggression without the benefit of a UN Security Council resolution as required by the US Constitution. To participate and give orders to those under him in this war would them make him a party to war crimes under the Nuremberg Tribunal.
By doing this he risked years in jail, certainly not the act of a coward. The US government in their trial would not allow Lt Watada to use the defense in court that the war is illegal. Why? Because they knew that if debated in a court of law it would be proven to be illegal. The entire US government is the coward for not allowing this to be debated in a court of law.
Lt Watada's oath was to defend and protect the Constitution. Under Nuremberg he is compelled to refuse a wrongful order even if it initiated from the President.
Nick - have you actually read the US Constitution? There is nothing in the Constitution that says the US has to have a UN Security Council resolution. The UN Security Council had resolution after resolution requiring that nut bag Hussein to let the inspectors do their job. And you know what, he didn't and the UN did nothing, nadda! Why do we have to ask anybody's permission to protect our citizen's? Do you ask your neighbor if it is ok to put up a fence around your house so their dog won't attack their children? Educate yourself first!
ric

Portland, OR

#468 Sep 28, 2009
President Bush got out from going to Viet Nam because he had political pull.While we went to Nam to serve our country,Cheney was at home thinking of ways to screw up the country.I would think if they would bring back the draft, the GOP would think twice about another IRAQ.
Yue Lan

Wahiawa, HI

#469 Sep 28, 2009
Wrong war Hanoi Jane.
Hawaii boy

AOL

#470 Sep 28, 2009
Copius231 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, following your line of reasoning, it would mean that he is guilty of treason but he has not been convicted therefore you are wrong...try again. Put the "emotion" away this time and look at this in an objective manner.
No,Watada just abused the trust of the nation he
pledged to serve and defend. It is not up to individual solders to choose and pick and decide what's right or wrong. We have a Commander in Chief and an elected Congress. When you join, whatever your motive are, you know the risks and the rewards.

Wataba refused to serve but he kept the education, the salary and the benefits. Come to think of it, yes, not anly he abused, he also betrayed the nation.

“Jazz Music - Good For The Soul”

Since: Sep 07

Kailua, Oahu, HI

#471 Sep 28, 2009
Copius231 wrote:
<quoted text>
You again? Didn't you learn your lesson in the smoking forum where you, again, conveniently "disappeared?" What is the truth oh wise one? Enlighten me...please.
Uh, Genius, my comments were in support of yours.

If anyone should be tried and convicted...over starting an illegal war...it should be the top two "masterminds" of the prior administration.

Specifically, W and "Let's Go Hunting" Cheney.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#472 Sep 28, 2009
Hawaii boy wrote:
<quoted text>
No,Watada just abused the trust of the nation he
pledged to serve and defend. It is not up to individual solders to choose and pick and decide what's right or wrong. We have a Commander in Chief and an elected Congress. When you join, whatever your motive are, you know the risks and the rewards.
Wataba refused to serve but he kept the education, the salary and the benefits. Come to think of it, yes, not anly he abused, he also betrayed the nation.
Uh huh. You still never answered the question:

1. Where are the WMD's?
2. Where is Bin Laden?

C'mon, you can do it...

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