Not all air incidents terrorism - Hawaii Editorials

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Safeguards against terrorist attacks on commercial airlines have been inadequate, as the Christmas explosive attempt by a Nigerian man in the skies above Detroit starkly showed.
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Lani

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Jan 11, 2010
 
This story has nothing in it that we already have not heard. What high school newspaper did they get this from?
Old Timer

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Jan 11, 2010
 
God what a waste of editorial space. Star Bulletin actually pays you to write this type of non-sense. What a waste of money.
Concerned Citizen

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Jan 11, 2010
 
"overreaction to non-terrorist incidents should be avoided."

This is hilarious!
I can see why no one has their name on this as far as I can tell. How do you know in-flight whether a threat is real, hoax or just a misunderstanding. That never gets solved until the flight is on the ground. Your editorial is embarrassing to you and your newspaper!
willie

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Jan 11, 2010
 
Concerned Citizen wrote:
"overreaction to non-terrorist incidents should be avoided."
This is hilarious!
I can see why no one has their name on this as far as I can tell. How do you know in-flight whether a threat is real, hoax or just a misunderstanding. That never gets solved until the flight is on the ground. Your editorial is embarrassing to you and your newspaper!
If a bomb explodes or the plane hits a building...it was a real threat.....then the House/Senate can have a commitee to determine who was asleep at the switch and what changes we need to make us all safe...until the NEXT incident where we get to start all over again.

Unfortunatly with terrorists the "innocent until proven guilty" thing does NOT work well.
Spied

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Jan 11, 2010
 
"overreaction to non-terrorist incidents should be avoided." How about, overreaction to incidents should be avoided? Why is an overreaction appropriate under some circumstances? Is not overreaction exactly the response terrorists hope to elicit?

The only way to defeat terrorists is not to feel terrified. We need an FDR (who said "the only thing you have to fear is fear itself") to inspire us to take personal responsibility. Increased surveillance and loss of civil liberties is not the way to preserve the American way of life.

So long as the government inspires us to be sheep, we are at risk. We can individually defeat the terrorists if we stand up and take action.

Since: Aug 08

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Jan 11, 2010
 
I don't know.... some idiot acting crazy on any flight I'm on is kind of "terroristic" to my way of thinking.

They should be duct taped to their seat... and on landing, locked up for a year.
Frequent Flyer

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#7
Jan 11, 2010
 
Here's some questions...for those interrupted Hawaiian flights, where were the sky marshals? And for future Hawaiian flights, how will the flight crew handle a bunch of nut-cases threatening to harm everyone on board?
Mass Media INC

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Jan 23, 2010
 
...and the scare tactics continues........
Realist

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Jan 23, 2010
 
stanislous wrote:
I don't know.... some idiot acting crazy on any flight I'm on is kind of "terroristic" to my way of thinking.
They should be duct taped to their seat... and on landing, locked up for a year.
Stanislous...what's going to happen is someone is going to get crazy on a flight, and the passengers are going to kill that person in flight and have charges dropped.

That's what I see happening in the near future. No one wants to go down like those folks on September 11th.

Just a gut feeling Stan.
alice

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Protect America but do not overreact!
BVD

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Change your underwear.
16inch50

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Jan 27, 2010
 
Check your gag reflex:

REVIEW & OUTLOOK
JANUARY 26, 2010

Abdulmutallab in 50 Minutes
The more we learn about his 'interrogation,' the worse White House policy looks.

The attempted Christmas Day destruction over Detroit of Northwest Flight 253 by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is fading from public memory as a fortunate near-miss. This incident should not fade from view.
As more information emerges, the picture it paints about the antiterror mindset of the current U.S. government is—there is no other word—scary.
Last week in these columns, we discussed Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair's Congressional testimony on the Abdulmutallab case. This was Mr. Blair's famous "duh" remark about the government's failure to invoke the new High-Value Detainee Interrogration Group (HIG) to question Abdulmutallab. A remarkable Associated Press story this past weekend makes clear that "duh" was mainly another word for disgust inside the intelligence bureaucracy over what happened that day in Detroit.
Here, compressed, is AP's account of how Abdulmutallab was handled after the plane landed. Read it and weep.
He was taken to the hospital by U.S. Customs agents and local cops, to whom he babbled that he was trying to blow up the plane.
Agents from the FBI's Detroit bureau were called in about 2:15. He "spoke openly" and admitted he was from al Qaeda in Yemen. Under a Miranda exception meant to let officials find out fast if another bomb is imminent, the agents didn't issue the standard self-incrimination warning. He talked for 50 minutes. Then, to let the suspect's medications wear off, the interrogators stopped.
Five hours later, the FBI in Washington said it wanted a new interrogation team to do a second interview. This new group of FBI interrogators is called a "clean team."
The AP explains: "By bringing in a so-called 'clean team' of investigators to talk to the suspect, federal officials aimed to ensure that Abdulmutallab's statements would still be admissible if the failure to give him his Miranda warning led a judge to rule out the use of his first admissions .... In the end, though, the 'clean team' of interrogators did not prod more revelations from the suspect."
// tbc //
16inch50

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// concludes //

This is awful.
This talky terrorist should have been questioned for 50 hours, not 50 minutes. More pointedly, Abdulmutallab should not have been questioned by local G-men concerned principally with getting a conviction in court. He should have been interrogated by agents who know enough about the current state of al Qaeda to know what to ask, what names or locations to listen for, and what answers to follow up.
The urgent matter is deterring future plots, not getting Abdulmutallab behind bars.
It gets worse.
Appearing before Congress last week, FBI Director Robert Mueller admitted that the HIG group essentially doesn't even exist yet. They haven't pulled it together.
Recall that in August Mr. Obama announced the intention to create a multi-agency HIG, transferring lead responsibility for interrogations away from the CIA and into the FBI, with techniques limited to the Army Field Manual.
And worse.
As a Wall Street Journal account of last week's Senate Judiciary hearings noted, the HIG team is intended only for interrogations overseas; the Administration hasn't decided whether to use it domestically.
In any event, that's moot until there is an HIG team.
We hope the appropriate committees of Congress do not let this drop, for many obvious reasons.
We'll make one point: Ultimately, the national security bureaucracies take their signals from the top.
In August Mr. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder made it clear that their war on terror would be fought inside the framework of Miranda and the civilian justice system.
Before Justice ordered him Mirandized, would-be suicide bomber Abdulmutallab thus gave us 50 minutes in the mortal war against al Qaeda.
It has to get better than this.
But it won't unless the President throws his weight publicly behind the officials who want to make it better than this.
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Spied wrote:
"overreaction to non-terrorist incidents should be avoided." How about, overreaction to incidents should be avoided? Why is an overreaction appropriate under some circumstances? Is not overreaction exactly the response terrorists hope to elicit?
The only way to defeat terrorists is not to feel terrified. We need an FDR (who said "the only thing you have to fear is fear itself") to inspire us to take personal responsibility. Increased surveillance and loss of civil liberties is not the way to preserve the American way of life.
So long as the government inspires us to be sheep, we are at risk. We can individually defeat the terrorists if we stand up and take action.
AGREE 100%!!!

But the Corporate Elites like myself would not be having our men and women (from mostly poor and working class backgrounds) fighting a war for our PROFITS (not terrorism) if we did not have or CFR friends from every news stations scaring people half to deaf with ludicrous clames of suppossed THREATS that we know is NOT REAL.

Another Victory for the elites. Hi-Five!!!
Corporate CEOs

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alice wrote:
Protect America but do not overreact!
From WHAT???

Oh, I'm sorry, OUR INTEREST, RIGHT?????

Another victory for the contractors CEOS. Hi-Five!!!
Corporate CEOs

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Spied wrote:
The only way to defeat terrorists is not to feel terrified. We need an FDR (who said "the only thing you have to fear is fear itself") to inspire us to take personal responsibility. Increased surveillance and loss of civil liberties is not the way to preserve the American way of life.
So long as the government inspires us to be sheep, we are at risk. We can individually defeat the terrorists if we stand up and take action.
Like Ben Franklin once said: "If you are willing to let government take away YOUR FREEDOMS for a little SECURITY, then YOU DESERVE NIETHER"

But as long as my economic slaves stay sleep, Me and my banking, political, and corporate colleagues will continue to benifit from the spoils of "FEAR".

Another Victory for the Elites. Hi-Five!!!
alice

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Certain forces benefit from keeping Americans in exaggerated fear
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Eploding underwear, talk about hot stuff!
Corporate CEOs

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alice wrote:
Certain forces benefit from keeping Americans in exaggerated fear
True that!!!

Another victory for the elite class. Hi-Five!!!
alice

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Thanks..:) It is easy to control the masses...if they are in fear of a rag-tag Osama they won't realize they are being ripped off.

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