Girls basketball: Rising to the top

Girls basketball: Rising to the top

There are 70 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Mar 30, 2008, titled Girls basketball: Rising to the top. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Shawna-Lei Kuehu of the Buffanblu leads this year's girls Fab 15 squad All-State girls honorable mentions STORY SUMMARY Blood is thicker than water, even in the girls basketball universe.

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Since: Mar 08

Los Gatos, CA

#23 Apr 1, 2008
(Sorry. Part I didn't go up on the board for some reason. Here it is again.)

Da Truth, I have taken a good look at your opinions. Your writing is very intense and I appreciate your impeccable grammar.
I disagree with your assertion, though, that I favor one league or island. I've had OIA people tell me (and others) that I favor the ILH. I've had ILH folks ask me why I favor the OIA. I wrote a long story about Baldwin linebacker Kaluka Maiava a few years back when he was being recruited by USC, and some folks "accused" me of focusing on MIL football. With two Punahou athletes as our basketball players of the year, I won't be surprised when some folks half-kiddingly tell me I'm pro-Punahou. Again.
This is the first time since B.J. Beatty and Jon Overton were up for honors as defensive player of the year in football that we've had such a tight vote. The voting by coaches (and a few sportswriters) for this season's Player of the Year in girls basketball was the closest ever. The 185-182 final tally is a difference of 1.6%. That's minute!
Had Jamie Smith won the award instead of Shawna-Lei Kuehu, I would've written the same thing: that it would've been "perhaps unfair" that Shawna didn't get the top honor despite having such an outstanding performance in the finals. But I would've understood where the voters were coming from.
Same with the actual scenario we have now. Jamie had the stronger regular season, but I understand where the voters are coming from with their selection of Shawna. Frankly, a Co-Players of the Year result would've been fine with me, and I really, normally, hate the concept of shared individual awards. However, for the past few years, we've stuck with the voting process and the coaches (and media) have been very stellar in their picks. They've been very honest with their votes, almost to a fault.
bsp

United States

#24 Apr 1, 2008
what I don't understand is how some girls make the fab 15 yet they havent posted huge number or even played the whole season. It really bugs me that girls that play in poor and weak divisions get credit where it isn't deserved.

Since: Mar 08

United States

#25 Apr 1, 2008
bsp wrote:
what I don't understand is how some girls make the fab 15 yet they havent posted huge number or even played the whole season. It really bugs me that girls that play in poor and weak divisions get credit where it isn't deserved.
If you post the players whom you feel didn't deserve a spot on the Fab 15, we can debate on this more. I do know that there are a lot of players who didn't make it more likely than not because they were in D-II, rather than what you wrote.

Case in point: Tayler Wang, Hawaii Prep. She scored about two-thirds of her team's points in BIIF play and at the state tourney. Didn't make Fab 15.

On the boys side, Brad Foster of AOP and Djavan Cackley of Parker were much like Wang, but didn't crack the Fab 15.
Basketball Fan

Waianae, HI

#26 Apr 1, 2008
I have to agree with "Fan" about points. It seems that so much emphasis is made about how many points a player scores. I believe that there are many players on the team that do not average as many points, however, they show leadership on the court and lead their team to a successful season. Mainly, guards who do a lot of the ball handling and hard work in setting the tone for the team and setting the plays. Points don't reflect that.
With the utter pandemonium of having the girls and boys season at the same time, how can the sports writers make a fair assessment of a player and vote when they have not seen enough games to make a determination. STATS help, but are not a true indication of the those players who are deserving of the "Fabulous 15." With that said I would like to congratulate the girls for their accomplishments and hopefully their success on the court will help them with their life off the courts. This is just a stepping stone in their lives and their true success comes in life and contributing to being productive citizens that contribute to their families, communities,state and country.
whatevas

Honolulu, HI

#27 Apr 1, 2008
as an insider, voting is all in the stats and who wins and who scores. a true all-star voting would include players that are there everyday and play their role so that all the so-called "all-stars" get noticed. hats off to all these unsung players. by the way, if they are student athletes, shouldn't we look at their academics too, because i don't think some would be listed and you would probably be "shocked"...punahou, give me a break...mike taylor, try being a coach with minimal talent and then take it to the states, bet you can't!...

Since: Mar 08

United States

#28 Apr 1, 2008
Basketball Fan wrote:
I have to agree with "Fan" about points. It seems that so much emphasis is made about how many points a player scores.
Good point. A few years back, Cody Tesoro was an outstanding point guard at Baldwin. He had postseason honors (can't remember off the top of my head), deservedly so. Yet, there were a few critics on the internet who said he didn't belong. Of course, they didn't see him play, didn't see how valuable he was as Baldwin's pressbreaker.

Since: Mar 08

United States

#29 Apr 1, 2008
whatevas wrote:
...punahou, give me a break...mike taylor, try being a coach with minimal talent and then take it to the states, bet you can't!...
Mike Taylor won quite a few games when he coached at Maryknoll. They even beat Punahou one year. No gym. Not bad.

Since: Mar 08

United States

#30 Apr 1, 2008
whatevas wrote:
a true all-star voting would include players that are there everyday and play their role so that all the so-called "all-stars" get noticed.
There are "all-stars" who do nothing but shoot the ball, but most all-state players (Fab 15) do several things well. Case in point: Shaena-Lyn Kuehu. She handles the ball, rebounds (more double-digit rebound games than her sister), has a lot of steals, some assists, challenges every team's top scorer. She didn't have a double-digit scoring average, but the panel had her at No. 5 overall.

As for role players deserving to be all-star or all-state ... that's a broad discussion. Serve me up an example of a "role player" who should've been on the Fab 15.
NUUANU

Honolulu, HI

#31 Apr 1, 2008
GOOD JOB SHAWNA I THINK THAT YOU DESERVE THE AWARD YOUR AN OUTSTANDING PLAYER EVERYONE JUST JEALOUS.
NUUANU

Honolulu, HI

#32 Apr 1, 2008
CONGRATS TO YOU SHAWNA YOU DESERVE ALL OF IT. PEOPLE ARE JUST JEALOUS.

Since: Mar 08

United States

#33 Apr 1, 2008
My editors gave the thumbs up, so I'm happy to share the point totals of the voting with you.

Vote total
1. Shawna-Lei Kuehu, Punahou 185
2. Jamie Smith, Iolani 182
3. Iwalani Rodrigues, Kalani 144
4. Vicky Tagalicod, Hilo 141
5. Shaena-Lyn Kuehu, Punahou 112
6. Mana Hopkins, Konawaena 110
7. Dianna Zane, Roosevelt 93
8. Ta Nitra Byrd, Radford 83
9. Chanel Hirata, Iolani 79
10. Kamie Imai, Waiakea 61
11. Janelle Nomura, Punahou 45
12. Britni Ronolo, Moanalua 41
13.(tie) Kira DeMorales, Waiakea 20
13.(tie) Johnelle Kapua, MPI 20
13.(tie) Marlena Malepeai, Radford 20

Honorable mention
Natasha Helsham, Aiea 18
Kirsty Imai, Waiakea 16
Rhianna Farm, Kalani 15
Rhani Kaneaiakala, Kamehameha 14
Kanisha Bello, Kamehameha-Hawaii 11
Pualei Furtado, Kamehameha 11
Kara Hanato-Smith, Konawaena 11
Dara Tompkison, Punahou 9
Kylie Ahlo, Iolani 7
Yacine Meyer, Seabury Hall 7
Aloha Dias-Kekahuna, Campbell 6
Kylie Sato, McKinley 6
Violet Alama, Kalani 4
Brittini Fuller, Radford 4
Chynna Ramelb, Maui 4
Rebecca Lau, Punahou 3
Jamaika Lorenzo, Honokaa 3
Kristen Corrales, Kailua 2
Raecha-Ann Kauahikaua, Sacred Hearts 2
Rachel Rickard, Lahainaluna 2
Milika Taufa, Lahainaluna 2
Taeja Afalava, Kahuku 1
Minna Watanabe, St. Andrew's Priory 1

Since: Mar 08

United States

#34 Apr 1, 2008
Not sure why it's showing asterisks, but No. 6 is Mana Hopkins of Konawaena.

Since: Mar 08

United States

#35 Apr 1, 2008
hmm. trying again.

No. 6 Mana Hop kins of Konawaena
Da Truth

Kailua, HI

#36 Apr 4, 2008
You are entitled to support your opinion. But that is how I see it. I feel you have a little bias towards the Big Island. I'll just leave it as that. Also, when I read national article about sports, there are often close races for the MVP voting. While the reporters may mention the close vote, I rarely have seen any writer mention anything about the voting being unfair, or shedding so much light on the player who was voted #2 regardless of how close the voting is. But that is your perrogative.
Da Truth

Kailua, HI

#37 Apr 4, 2008
In my opinion, this how a POY article should be written. This ESPN article focuses on the WINNER. It mentions who the 2nd and 3rd place players were, but the focus of the article is on the POY. Who really cares if you win by 1 vote or 1000 votes. A win is a win. But I guess you have to win to understand that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story...
Did you see

Honolulu, HI

#38 Apr 4, 2008
Did you guys see the list of this years Team Aloha, what a joke!
Hey Mayor what da heck

Honolulu, HI

#39 Apr 5, 2008
Hey did you see.. you are so right! What a disappointment after two years of great players and here the mayor and his parks director choose sub standard players. how sad,for real players

Since: Mar 08

United States

#40 Apr 5, 2008
Da Truth wrote:
In my opinion, this how a POY article should be written. This ESPN article focuses on the WINNER.
I'm glad you have such high regard for ESPN. Fortunately, we are talking about high school athletics, not the NCAA or WNBA or anything else.

Jamie Smith had an outstanding year. Shawna-Lei Kuehu had an outstanding year. They both deserve their props. Losing by a 185-182 count is extremely close for whoever was second. I'm glad most of us can respect that situation while still honoring the winner — regardless of those who think high school sports is only about winning and copying ESPN.

You want to pretend this is NCAA and pro sports when high-school kids are involved? Auwe.
Proud parent

Honolulu, HI

#41 Apr 5, 2008
Did you see wrote:
Did you guys see the list of this years Team Aloha, what a joke!
My name is John Kapua father of Johnnelle Kapua 1 of the 13 girls that was chosen for team aloha and that you are referring to as a joke our next practice is on the 17th of this month at manoa at 10:00am u are invited to come out and watch team aloha's practice and during this time we could also meet face to face.
Da Truth

Kailua, HI

#42 Apr 5, 2008
Ok you point is taken. Her is another one. The Advertiser's picks were just released last week. However, Mr. Nakama seems to just write the story, focus on the winner, then adds a little for the rest of the first team. He doesn't insinuate that one player may of won the award "unfairly" as you call it. Isn't that a high school award and players that he is talking about?

My point is just that I think it's in everybody's best interest to just report that news as objectively as possible.

Do you feel that words such as "unfairly" should be associated with "high school kids" as you mentioned above?

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