Teachers, Lingle administration at stalemate on furlough fixes ...

The teachers union and Gov. Linda Lingle's administration have hit a standstill in talks on reducing the number of Furlough Fridays at public schools, diminishing chances of a solution before early January. Full Story
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Yes We Cant

Hayes, VA

#1 Dec 17, 2009
State Lottery would raise about 500 million a year maybe more, and then no more problem
Da kine

Union City, NJ

#2 Dec 17, 2009
Shame on all of you dirty rats politicians who always lies with "Education first"..pilao mouths you have when talking,smiling,eat the food those who believe in you give you.ect...No shame at ell,and wonder why many of them do not wan to give the time of day."Think about it kine"where are you??-------->come out and make some noise so people see that you are standing for the people of Hawaii and not for a few ones.
Da kine

Union City, NJ

#3 Dec 17, 2009
No one deserves to be a leader hea ,all of the only want their pay checks because they live in a "comfortable zone"----->true to the bone ,not one of these dirty rast will ever make as a politician on da mainland so they stay hea and tell lies!!!! and dos suckers like you believe,vote and,put them in office so the"get pay"for doing cero for the people of Hawaii,education dosen't go first but their interests do."Think about it"
willie

Farmington, MI

#4 Dec 17, 2009
"The governor's plan significantly undermines the quality of education,"

You mean it might drop from 47th to 48th worst in the Untied States?

How many billions to get it up to say 46th do you figure?
willie

Farmington, MI

#5 Dec 17, 2009
Yes We Cant wrote:
State Lottery would raise about 500 million a year maybe more, and then no more problem
I get it, rather than FIX the problem just find a way to keep FUNDING it....good plan.

Like I said in my first post, how many billions will it take to move Hawaii education from 47th worst to 46th worst?
huh

Pearl City, HI

#6 Dec 17, 2009
just close the schools for two weeks --- then go back to regular schedule
Wake up

Honolulu, HI

#7 Dec 17, 2009
willie wrote:
<quoted text>
I get it, rather than FIX the problem just find a way to keep FUNDING it....good plan.
Like I said in my first post, how many billions will it take to move Hawaii education from 47th worst to 46th worst?
You're exactly right. No solutions are mentioned, only quick fixes, which we will see when our taxes go up.
Von

Aiea, HI

#8 Dec 17, 2009
The State just wants dumb kids. What can I say?

I'm not voting any more. What a complete waste of time that is.
WhatsGoingOn

Honolulu, HI

#9 Dec 17, 2009
Until Hawaii changes government from the Union/Democrats this entitlement action will continue.

The union through the Democrats control the Department of Education that has a 2 billion dollar budget, and is forced to spend it on "Union" contractors, who virtually are carpet bagging to get the DOE contracts, in other words friends of the Legislature create companies with union employees and are awarded DOE contracts in return.

The DOE "wastes" huge amounts of money on these friendly contractors who in return support the union.

This money comes from the workers of Hawaii and the major beneficiaries are the Legislature Friendly Companies, and their owners, the unions and the resulting Democrat Legislators, its a vicious circle that cannot change until the Democrat government, a recipient of these funds, is replaced.

In the mean time, the Peoples Governor attempting to stop the bleeding waste, has to take pot-shots from the unions and their lackeys such as Abercrombie.

It's time to vote! Vote for real change, vote for a two party system, or this will only get worse. Vote Abercrombie into retirement!

Since: Sep 08

Honolulu

#10 Dec 17, 2009
Notice how UPW has been quietly sitting on the sides. Still no contract, no furloughs and still getting the same pay. Attention drawn to HSTA so these "privileged" state workers (janitors, cafeteria workers, custodial and support) continue on and the same amount of money is being spent on them while they don't have anything to do on fridays.
local

Ashburn, VA

#11 Dec 17, 2009
tell okabe to take a pay cur himself..then the union dues can go down..then the teachers can also take a paycut..if they care that much for their students..
Teachers Count

Honolulu, HI

#12 Dec 17, 2009
It seems that as more time & attention is put to solving furlough fridays, the less really gets done. Lingle assumes that the teachers will ALWAYS take it on the chin and appease her band-aid solutions. I'm glad the HSTA has decided to stall the negotiations. Why did the teachers go on strike a few years ago? To roll over & play dead at the behest of the Governor?
Teachers Count

Honolulu, HI

#13 Dec 17, 2009
WhatsGoingOn wrote:
Until Hawaii changes government from the Union/Democrats this entitlement action will continue.
The union through the Democrats control the Department of Education that has a 2 billion dollar budget, and is forced to spend it on "Union" contractors, who virtually are carpet bagging to get the DOE contracts, in other words friends of the Legislature create companies with union employees and are awarded DOE contracts in return.
The DOE "wastes" huge amounts of money on these friendly contractors who in return support the union.
This money comes from the workers of Hawaii and the major beneficiaries are the Legislature Friendly Companies, and their owners, the unions and the resulting Democrat Legislators, its a vicious circle that cannot change until the Democrat government, a recipient of these funds, is replaced.
In the mean time, the Peoples Governor attempting to stop the bleeding waste, has to take pot-shots from the unions and their lackeys such as Abercrombie.
It's time to vote! Vote for real change, vote for a two party system, or this will only get worse. Vote Abercrombie into retirement!
With all the backscratching going on in this state, you should be required to get a massage license to get into politics.

GMI

Since: May 08

Honolulu, HI

#14 Dec 17, 2009
...what ever happened to the random drug testing that the teachers took the pay raise for then balked about it later? How can there really be any honest negotiation if HSTA members don't have to live up to their side of the agreement?
too much

Honolulu, HI

#15 Dec 17, 2009
KAzman wrote:
Notice how UPW has been quietly sitting on the sides. Still no contract, no furloughs and still getting the same pay. Attention drawn to HSTA so these "privileged" state workers (janitors, cafeteria workers, custodial and support) continue on and the same amount of money is being spent on them while they don't have anything to do on fridays.
I am a UPW worker and I agree with you totally. Our union officals need to step up.

Since: Nov 09

Keauhou, HI

#16 Dec 17, 2009
It seems to me that the union is the one who is saying take it or leave it. They're demanding that Lingle come up with $125 million to fund everything. Newsflash to Okabe. There is only $50 million in the RDF. And the is likely to shrink as the state is looking at even bigger budget shortfalls in the coming year. You guys should take what is being offered because it ain't going to get any better.
But if you want to stick to your guns, then let the layoffs begin. This is all about getting babysitters anyway so larger classes ain't going to mean nothing anyway.
too much

Honolulu, HI

#17 Dec 17, 2009
local wrote:
tell okabe to take a pay cur himself..then the union dues can go down..then the teachers can also take a paycut..if they care that much for their students..
Yes, all unions should not collect union dues in these bad times, but they still want us to pay union dues, take a pay cut and furloughs.
Islandboi

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#18 Dec 17, 2009
HSTA President Wil Okabe, Schools Superintendent Patricia Hamamoto, Garrett Toguchi - chairman of the Board of Education, and HSTA Executive Director Dwight Takeno haven't got a clue how to end this fiasco. It is either their way or no way, refusing to put the needs of the Nei's keiki first. More grandstanding, strutting like a rooster, more shibai, and no positive work to end the furlough. Is it any wonder the Nei ranks last in the USA for keiki education and beaten by most other countries to include some third world countries. When will these baboozes get their act together and fix "Their Problem." Just another day in the Nei.
Islandboi

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#19 Dec 17, 2009
Yes We Cant wrote:
State Lottery would raise about 500 million a year maybe more, and then no more problem
Obviously you are not familiar with the "Good Ole Boy" culter the Nei has. With our babooze union boss controlled land of the Nei, no amount of money is ever the answer. With their multibillion dollar budget the school system still can't get it right while other cities and states spend less and do a stellar job. We are our own worst enemy.
Old Grunt

Kaneohe, HI

#21 Dec 17, 2009
Okabe still doesn't get the message. All the polls show that people are tired of public employee unions controlling the legislature, of pouring money down the toilet with very poor results, of the unions' solution to every problem is to raise the taxes. Facts: the State Constitution does not allow deficit spending, many in the private sector have been laid off, every body else is stretched, retirement investments have tanked and are now worth half their value, and you can't get blood our of a rock. Okabe, you screwed the pooch when you followed Perreira instead of looking out for your union members who are the most essential element of education. Staff specialists and administrative staff are not. I have taught in DOE and have a MS in Ed. In my day, we were fighting for a max of 30 in the classroom and had no prep days. We were also not at the bottom of the barrel in student achievement. You are one of those working hard for the Socialist State of Hawaii.
Get the message. Communism is dead.

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