Pastors in support of same-sex marriage confronted by protesters

There are 45 comments on the The Honolulu Advertiser story from Nov 6, 2013, titled Pastors in support of same-sex marriage confronted by protesters. In it, The Honolulu Advertiser reports that:

A large crowd gathered in the state Capitol rotunda and chant "Let the people vote" as the House goes through the second reading on the gay marriage bill.

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“RAMADI ”

Since: Mar 09

OBAMA'S BLOODY QUAGMIRE

#1 Nov 6, 2013
I don't know about letting the people vote, this state is corrupt the polls are rigged. Just KILL THE BILL NOW!!!
curious

Tampa, FL

#2 Nov 6, 2013
If a pstor is for same sex hes not a pastor hes a wolf

“RAMADI ”

Since: Mar 09

OBAMA'S BLOODY QUAGMIRE

#4 Nov 6, 2013
curious wrote:
If a pstor is for same sex hes not a pastor hes a wolf
True!
JRB

Los Angeles, CA

#5 Nov 6, 2013
curious wrote:
If a pstor is for same sex hes not a pastor hes a wolf
Is pstor haawaiian pidgin for pisser? What day you Ai?
shayne turner

Kaneohe, HI

#6 Nov 7, 2013
Let us all..."STEP BACK", and read the bible one more time if you have to..... Know as sure as I write this, in God's words, the bible states that man shall only lay down with his wife. Not beast nor DEVIL. It is unholy to marry same sex! NOW LETS ALL SLOW DOWN , and speak the truth....You know it is all about another kind of devil and that is MONEY. You know it deep in your hearts. Now lets sit down together again set it straight! We can love all of our brothers and sisters . It is not how Gays live but their actions that is not made to be legal, today.
Thank you
Shayne

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#7 Nov 7, 2013
shayne turner wrote:
Let us all..."STEP BACK", and read the bible one more time if you have to..... Know as sure as I write this, in God's words, the bible states that man shall only lay down with his wife. Not beast nor DEVIL. It is unholy to marry same sex! NOW LETS ALL SLOW DOWN , and speak the truth....You know it is all about another kind of devil and that is MONEY. You know it deep in your hearts. Now lets sit down together again set it straight! We can love all of our brothers and sisters . It is not how Gays live but their actions that is not made to be legal, today.
Thank you
Shayne
That anthology is not all "God's words".

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#8 Nov 7, 2013
shayne turner wrote:
Let us all..."STEP BACK", and read the bible one more time if you have to..... Know as sure as I write this, in God's words, the bible states that man shall only lay down with his wife. Not beast nor DEVIL.....
Gay folks aren't beasts, and they aren't the devil, and God creates certain men who can not naturally "lay down" with a woman, for His own purposes. I don't believe that He created then with a completely separate standard in mind for relationships and family life.

Now, you have your own personal interpretations for various Bible verses. So do I. So do the Pastors in this story.

Which of our interpretations should be enshrined into civil law, for every American to follow? Or, should your religious beliefs apply only to the marriages that are conducted by YOUR church, and not applied to people who do not believe as you do, including other Christian churches?

Our founding Fathers were wise, when they created a government not run by any single religious belief. Are you wiser than they?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#10 Nov 7, 2013
Harry wrote:
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Why is it so many gay men have children from previous relationships with women? Then all of a sudden they "come out" and start laying down with men. Born gay? What a load of crap!
They stop pretending, and trying to satisfy a bunch of rather arbitrary should and aughts.

They elect to be happy instead.

Why do men divorce at all?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#11 Nov 7, 2013
shayne turner wrote:
Let us all..."STEP BACK", and read the bible one more time if you have to.....
You are the one who needs to read your stupid Bible shayne!

Romans 13:1 ESV, "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."

When the governing authorities legalize gay marriage you just have to get over your insanity because it is your God taking credit for legalizing gay marriage.

But you do not care what the Bible says any more than I do, if you did you would have sold your computer and given the money to the poor.

The Bible makes this quite clear:

"...none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up everything he has" Luke 14:33
"If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor and you will have riches in heaven" Matt. 19:21
"Sell your possessions and give alms" Luke 12:33
"But give what is in your cups and plates to the poor, and everything will be clean for you" Luke 11:41
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt,.... But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven.... for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" Matt. 6:19-21
"How hardly shall they that have riches enter to the kingdom of God" Mark 10:23
"Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Matt. 19:23-24
A certain ruler told Jesus that he had obeyed all the commandments from his youth up. But, Jesus said, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me" Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21

Paul said, "For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ" (Phil. 3:8 RSV)

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#12 Nov 7, 2013
snyper wrote:
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That anthology is not all "God's words".
You mean God didn't write the following:

2 Kings 18:27, " ...that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?"

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#13 Nov 7, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Our founding Fathers were wise, when they created a government not run by any single religious belief. Are you wiser than they?
Actually our Founding Fathers created a Government where religion was not to play a part in the running of the Government or the writing of its laws.

KKKrist-insanity-ists are very devious people and have managed to get all kinds of religious laws written that we are all required to obey. We must seek out and remove each and every one of them.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#14 Nov 7, 2013
Quest wrote:
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God creates certain men who can not naturally "lay down" with a woman, for His own purposes.
One of the most prominent figures in modern church history, John Calvin, is strongly associated with a belief that is repugnant to most of Christendom, i.e., predestination. Most biblicists believe that God knows what will occur prior to the event but leaves man free to make the choice. In other words, men are free to choose what God already knows will happen. Calvin, on the other hand, stressed biblical pronouncements to the contrary. God doesn't just know ahead of time; he determines it; he fixes it; he plans it; it's his idea. In reality, Calvin viewed free will as myth. In so doing he highlighted one of the most serious, most prominent contradictions in biblical theology--free will versus determinism. His opponents rightly observed that the abolishment of free will destroys moral responsibility. But unfortunately for them literally scores of verses substantiate his position. An exhaustive list in descending order of strength would include the following:

(1) "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,.... Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" (Eph. 1:4-5),
(2) "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called...." (Rom. 8:28-30),
(3) "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48),
(4) "But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" (2 Thess. 2:13),
(5) "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his (not our) own will" (Eph. 1:11),
(6) "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10),
(7) "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you" (John 15:16),
(8) "For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9 RSV),
(9) "A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps" (Prov. 16:9),
(10) "He will carry out what he has planned for me, and of many such matters He is mindful" (Job 23:14 Mod. Lang),
(11) "Only, let every one lead the life which the Lord has assigned to him, and in which God has called him" (1 Cor. 7:17 RSV),
(12) "...your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:16 NIV),
(13) "Man's goings are of the Lord; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Prov. 20:24),
(14) "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Matt. 24:3l),(15) "...whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,...." (Rev. 17:8),
(16) "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:15),
(17) "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him" (John 6:44),
(18) "...no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father" (John 6:65),
(19) "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" (Acts 2:39),

To be continued:

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#15 Nov 7, 2013
Continued:

(20) "Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails" (Prov. 19:21 NIV),
(21) "The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord" (Prov. 16:33),
(22) "Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed" (Job 14:5 NIV),
(23) "From one man God made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live" (Acts 17:26 NIV),
(24) "...for that that is determined shall be done" (Dan. 11:36),
(25) "Therefore I endure all things for the elects' sakes that they may obtain the salvation which is in Christ...." (2 Tim. 2:10),(26) "And a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed" (1 Peter 2:8),
(27) "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men,...." (Jude 4),
(28) "Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts" (Psalm 65:4),
(29) "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,...chosen and destined by God the Father...." (1 Peter 1:1-2 RSV),
(30) "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Tim. 1:9),
(31) "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved" (Acts 2:47),
(32) "The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord...." (Psalm 37:23),
(33) "Then the King will say to those at his right hand,'Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt. 25:34 RSV),
(34) "...but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you" (John 15:19),
(35) "All that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (the Devil.) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8),
(36) "Jesus said to them,'You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father'" (Matt. 20:23 NIV),
(37) "They (Herod, Pilate, the Gentiles and the people of Israel) did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen" (Acts 4:28 NIV),
(38) "He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen...." (Acts 10:41 NIV),
(39) "Who (Jesus) verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you" ((1 Peter 1:20), and
(40) "Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (Jer. 1:4-5).

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#16 Nov 7, 2013
Harry wrote:
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Why is it so many gay men have children from previous relationships with women? Then all of a sudden they "come out" and start laying down with men. Born gay? What a load of crap!
There are several explanations for this and if I thought you were up for a serious discussion I would tell you what they are, but it appears you just want to cast blame, harass and insult.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#17 Nov 7, 2013
snyper wrote:
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They stop pretending, and trying to satisfy a bunch of rather arbitrary should and aughts.
They elect to be happy instead.
Why do men divorce at all?
Another reason is the huge number of bi-sexual people and the influence of the church on young impressionable minds.

A true follower of Jesus can neither divorce someone,(a) "So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder"(Matt. 19:6, Mark 10:9), nor marry someone who is divorced,(b) "whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery" (Matt. 5:32, 19:9, Luke 16:18). There is an exception to the former, however. If the spouse commits adultery, divorce is permissible: "Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery" (Matt. 5:32). The Bible also says that anyone who obtains a divorce and marries another is an adulterer: "...whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11, Luke 16:18), which applies to women as well--Mark 10:12. In essence, according to Christ's teachings:
(1) one can never obtain a divorce, except from an adulterous spouse;
(2) one can never marry a divorced person, and
(3) one who obtains a divorce and marries another is committing adultery.
One can only guess at the number of Christians who have ignored these maxims.
Opinion

Waianae, HI

#18 Nov 7, 2013
I don't care if my neighbors are gay, but if they start kissing and stirring each other's shyt in the front yard, we're going to have a real problem. Just sayin...
Guru

Los Angeles, CA

#20 Nov 7, 2013
Opinion wrote:
I don't care if my neighbors are gay, but if they start kissing and stirring each other's shyt in the front yard, we're going to have a real problem. Just sayin...
Joe Balls it us an honor to speak with you BUT I have taught you the correct way to have anal sex. If you remember when you were pitching you exclaimed how much power you had.
Remember we high fived and went out to buy a bag of flour so you could try this new technique on your 450 lb. wifey. So avoid falling back into your wife or your old stupid opiniobs.
Is this what you mean

Honolulu, HI

#22 Nov 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
I don't know about letting the people vote, this state is corrupt the polls are rigged. Just KILL THE BILL NOW!!!
I guess you want to be gay and single? Straight people like you better.
JRB

Leander, TX

#24 Nov 7, 2013
All this discussion
Though politically correct
Is dead beyond destruction
Though it leaves me quite erect
JRB

Los Angeles, CA

#25 Nov 7, 2013
JRB wrote:
All this discussion
Though politically correct
Is dead beyond destruction
Though it leaves me quite erect
In the past I used to get a woody from following the seam of Jack Lord's pants disappear up his butt.

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