Plan to end furloughs rejected - Hawa...

Plan to end furloughs rejected - Hawaii News

There are 82 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Dec 29, 2009, titled Plan to end furloughs rejected - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Gov. Linda Lingle rejected yesterday a plan by the teachers union and the state Board of Education that would have restored seven classroom days to the public schools calendar.

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Da Gov

Honolulu, HI

#42 Dec 29, 2009
I think I'll go to Canada to watch the Winter Olympics now that I have messed up..........again,

so I can come back and blame somebody for this fiasco..........again.
Jimmy

Las Vegas, NV

#43 Dec 29, 2009
Screw the parents and the unions! You parents want more then do more. Parents are simple pains in the okole, they don't want the government in their life until they want it in their life. Idiots people are becoming idiots, stay home parents and take of your own damn kids for a few days. Actually lets make certain that only people with kids in school pay for those kids in school. All these complainers would quickly keep their kids home if they had to pay their fare share.
maui the demigod

Honolulu, HI

#44 Dec 29, 2009
The B.O.E. and the Lingle Administration also owe the unrepresented, full time subsitute teachers, five years of back pay! Talk about sending our students a message about dishonest business practices!
local

Ashburn, VA

#45 Dec 29, 2009
just have okabe' doe workers and teachers take a pay cur like everyone else..in fact all state and county workers..
Mobetta

Honolulu, HI

#46 Dec 29, 2009
local wrote:
just have okabe' doe workers and teachers take a pay cur like everyone else..in fact all state and county workers..
No Can. Like the Hawaiian's, state workers believe they are "ENTITLED" to whatever they claim is theirs. In fact, they want more than what they first claimed.
As Sam Choy says, "UNBELIEVABLE"!!!!.
right

Hanalei, HI

#47 Dec 29, 2009
Yarse wrote:
Eh, dumb base, it's spelled college, NOT collage.
And, no, it is NOT Lingle's fault. It is the greedy HSTA union and the Democrat infiltrated DOE system that is to blame.
Bottom line is the State's tax revenue is plummeting and the HSTA and DOE could care less, so long as they get theirs.
For sure, Lingle should not have signed off on the initial furlough friday failure, but, coming to her senses, she is trying to end this National embarrassment and International condemnation.
You, however, sound like a Hawaii Democrat, a unique breed, that embodies deflection of Union greed to any Republican in sight.
You, my friend, sound like a rich Republican who is willing to squeeze every cent out of honest working folks, as long as your deep pockets are not affected. You say Lingle came to her senses? HA! If there would have been no backlash on HER furlough fiasco, we would not be having these discussions in this forum. She proposed it, she signed off on it, and now she is not willing to negotiate to change it. TYPICAL. There is enough blame to go around: greed from HSTA, who should have made cuts from bloated DOE administration, greed from apathetic politicians who thought their constituent parents would roll over as long as taxes were not raised, and greed from people like you, who choose to name-call and cast blame on Democrats. Have you no shame?
take the pay cut

Koloa, HI

#48 Dec 29, 2009
Teachers....TAKE THE PAY CUT and get back to work. You are no better than the rest of us! Also, you agreed to drug testing so keep your word.
Lingle made the right decision. NO MORE OF OUR TAX MONEY should go to get teachers back to school. They need to take a cut like the rest of us already did.
Wrong

Honolulu, HI

#49 Dec 29, 2009
right wrote:
<quoted text>
You, my friend, sound like a rich Republican who is willing to squeeze every cent out of honest working folks, as long as your deep pockets are not affected. You say Lingle came to her senses? HA! If there would have been no backlash on HER furlough fiasco, we would not be having these discussions in this forum. She proposed it, she signed off on it, and now she is not willing to negotiate to change it. TYPICAL. There is enough blame to go around: greed from HSTA, who should have made cuts from bloated DOE administration, greed from apathetic politicians who thought their constituent parents would roll over as long as taxes were not raised, and greed from people like you, who choose to name-call and cast blame on Democrats. Have you no shame?
I may sound to YOU as a rich Republican, but I can assure you that I am neither rich nor a Republican.

I just hate the Hawaii Democrats, their gay Union alliance and the inbred Democratic infested DOE and that bureacracy installed over decades of Democratic filth.

Take a look around, the Democrats of Hawaii have beaten the will out of the People, turned most of them into union fearing sheep, resulting in----and don't deny this----VOTER APATHY.

Now, neither Lingle nor Bennett are my favorite people, especially since they went Republocrat in endorsing the Akaka bill all these years that is going to SCREW us REAL native Hawaiians under the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920, and 5(f), by their sudden invention of a fake, toe-nail, 1/64th part Hawaiian, make believe Indian tribe that is being set up to rip us off.

But, I digress.

So, Lingle, yeah, she was in on this, that lolo. But, the question is what do we do now. It is the HSTA that wants to hold out on their "goof off days" they call planning days or get YOUR cash in exchange for forfeiting that perk. It is a perk. They sit around and doodle, pretending they are "planning." Why plan when you're disseminating or teaching the stuff year after year?

Your are right, however, the HSTA is bogus and so is the DOE----installed by the Democrats of Hawaii, those s.o.b.s. They also invented OHA.

In brief, not a Republican. I just hate the Hawaii Democrats.
Auntie Linda Lingle

Honolulu, HI

#50 Dec 29, 2009
SUFFER!! SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN!
My womb is barren and void. If I can't have any children, then I will make all the little dirty faced island monkeys in this piece of crud state suffer for my failures and shortcomings!!
Bad at Math

Honolulu, HI

#51 Dec 29, 2009
take the pay cut wrote:
Teachers....TAKE THE PAY CUT and get back to work. You are no better than the rest of us! Also, you agreed to drug testing so keep your word.
Lingle made the right decision. NO MORE OF OUR TAX MONEY should go to get teachers back to school. They need to take a cut like the rest of us already did.
I agree. Take a pay cut and go back to work on Fridays. You are no different than any other state worker who took a pay cut in one form or another.

Since: Feb 08

Kaneohe, Hawaii

#52 Dec 29, 2009
Bubba wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you blame teachers are at fault? you must have some kind of delusional disorder...or too much pot in the head!!! By the way teachers only voted for the furloughs because to save "Lingle's Economy".
They voted for drug testing then claimed that it was only because ... They vote for furlough and it is only because ... When do the teachers take responsibility for what they vote?
cant do so I teach

Honolulu, HI

#53 Dec 29, 2009
Eh, I need my planning days, so I can plan how to sell my crystal meth and not get caught. Of course I don't have to worry about drug testing, so I know I probably won't ever get caught.
ahhhhhhh

Kailua, HI

#54 Dec 29, 2009
Time waits for no one .... the jokers in control here are wasting so much time....... Who's in control? Obviously the unions......time for a change as its obvious they are not good for the community!

This is the most ridiculous situation that we have put ourselves in...... and its the non tax paying, non union member kiddies paying the price. Buck up and get the kids back in the classroom learning .... learning how corrupt and obsolete these unions are!
Carole

Reno, NV

#55 Dec 29, 2009
Wrong wrote:
<quoted text>
I may sound to YOU as a rich Republican, but I can assure you that I am neither rich nor a Republican.
I just hate the Hawaii Democrats, their gay Union alliance and the inbred Democratic infested DOE and that bureacracy installed over decades of Democratic filth.
Take a look around, the Democrats of Hawaii have beaten the will out of the People, turned most of them into union fearing sheep, resulting in----and don't deny this----VOTER APATHY.
Now, neither Lingle nor Bennett are my favorite people, especially since they went Republocrat in endorsing the Akaka bill all these years that is going to SCREW us REAL native Hawaiians under the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920, and 5(f), by their sudden invention of a fake, toe-nail, 1/64th part Hawaiian, make believe Indian tribe that is being set up to rip us off.
But, I digress.
So, Lingle, yeah, she was in on this, that lolo. But, the question is what do we do now. It is the HSTA that wants to hold out on their "goof off days" they call planning days or get YOUR cash in exchange for forfeiting that perk. It is a perk. They sit around and doodle, pretending they are "planning." Why plan when you're disseminating or teaching the stuff year after year?
Your are right, however, the HSTA is bogus and so is the DOE----installed by the Democrats of Hawaii, those s.o.b.s. They also invented OHA.
In brief, not a Republican. I just hate the Hawaii Democrats.
Wrong, I am SO on the same page with you!!!!!!!!!! It HAS been the infested, filthy democratic party and their union/Leg/DoE crooks (LED BY INOUYE) who have brought Hawaii to ruin...... Like you, I also am not a Republican (register as Independent) but I so hate what the HAWAII FILTHY DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE to that once-beautiful place.
Truth Hurts

Honolulu, HI

#56 Dec 29, 2009
"The state Department of Education faced $227 million in cuts mandated by Gov. Linda Lingle this year, some $117 million of which is being taken in school employee furloughs and other labor savings."

http://www.allbusiness.com/government/governm...

"And now, the Governor has a plan.

ďItís raining on the kids now itís a perfect time for the rainy day fund to be used,Ē says Governor Linda Lingle.

Lingleís proposed plan would not affect furlough days scheduled for the rest of the 2009 school year."

Look up kids, your Governor is pissing on us. Learn a lesson from Lingle's golden showers. Never trust the word of a politician.
Teacher

Honolulu, HI

#57 Dec 29, 2009
Wait people. First it was the Governor's idea to have furloughs. She told teachers that it was furloughs or layoffs which would almost double class sizes. The union told her to use the rainy day fund from the beginning. Teachers voted for the lesser of 2 evils.
Now she said she wanted to use 50 million from the rainy day fund to give back some furloughs and the union proposes to give up 2 planning days and use only 35 million. Why does she not approve if we are using less of the money she proposed. It seems like she doesn't want to get rid of furloughs now. What about all the money she put into the Superferry that we don't even have today. Why is no one complaining about that???
Teachers don't even have a say on this new agreement. We would not even have a vote. So don't start bashing teachers when we are working harder to cover the same amount of curriculum in less time. I challenge any one of you people to be a teacher for a day, do all the lesson planning to teach 30 students and have them do meaningful work for 6 hours, and don't forget to grade all their work, but wait that has to be done at home because we can't do it while we are still teaching. Funny how people think that just because school is from 8-2 that's all the time that teachers work. Not to mention most teachers are also coaches, organize clubs, organize events, fundraise, and much more. You think it's easy you try it.
Dumb Bases

Honolulu, HI

#58 Dec 29, 2009
Carole wrote:
<quoted text>
...... Like you, I also am not a Republican (register as Independent) but I so hate what the HAWAII FILTHY DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE to that once-beautiful place.
I just love it when non voting republicans claim to be registered as independent. Just where do you go to REGISTER as an independent?
doggone

Lake Oswego, OR

#59 Dec 29, 2009
Der he goes again, I mean she? Where's Palin?
Truth Hurts

Honolulu, HI

#60 Dec 29, 2009
The bottom line is that labor accounts for 70% of the State's operating budget. Layoffs need to occur. DOE is not under the jurisdiction of the Executive Office of the Governor; therefore, all the layoffs need to come from employees that are not under the DOE umbrella. Layoffs will happen in a major cut regardless if the Legislature raids the non-remitted Rail Fund. Lingle has over-hired since her consecutive budgets since 2003. She has squandered our tax dollars and have run us into a black hole of debt. We are the only state cutting education to make up for Lingle's miserable failure running our State's finances. Can't wait until November.

The way you know Lingle was BS'ing the whole time is that the BOE/HSTA/DOE deal would have covered her until she left office while preserving $15 million in the Rainy Day Fund. She could have kicked the can down the road and come out smelling like a rose. Instead, she p-i-s-s-e-d on our children.

P.S. Any teacher who is not liking their job should quit; there are plenty of replacements waiting for a solid slot upgrade that still like their profession. If you are too burned out, then you are part of the problem; not part of the solution. Move out and move on. Remember that after the dust settles via litigation in which HSTA will be a pauper defendant; you will be working for taxpaying attorney hiring parents again, not Okabe.

Happy New Year!:D
Agree

Honolulu, HI

#61 Dec 29, 2009
Lay offs need to occur, but not the way Lingle is doing it, by going after specific people. Lay offs need to be the last hired. Then shift the remaining workers to cover most needed positions. A $50,000 per year clerk II working under a $15.000 clert III makes no financial sense at all. This is typical of the decisions this Governor seems to make. Like shutting down the parking structure when court was going on, causing a loss of revenue that far exceeded the savings in labor for the furlough day. Another tact would have been to hold out for wage reductions without lay offs, this most likely would have been the best solution. But she was stuck on furloughs wasn't she?

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