Djou offers proposals to put rail vote on ballot

[Djou Supporter]

POLLUTERS UNITE!!! I agree with Djou on his opposition to rail. That money will be better spent on my gas. I need to drive my car more than anyone else could possibly imagine. We're all gonna die anyway as a result of global warming so live it up!!! Let's increase our dependence on foreign oil!!

[Djou Supporter]

Djou, Djou, it's all about you. That guy is just soo smart - he's ALWAYS on camera! So eloquent, so intelligent, so needy. I want someone like him to govern us. We need more naricissts like him in power.

[dudealohajoe]

Djou Supporter wrote:

POLLUTERS UNITE!!! I agree with Djou on his opposition to rail. That money will be better spent on my gas. I need to drive my car more than anyone else could possibly imagine. We're all gonna die anyway as a result of global warming so live it up!!! Let's increase our dependence on foreign oil!!

Ha! nice try, but the issue is about alternatives to the rail, not the status quo.

We all agree, cars are not the solution.

[Me too]

Djou Supporter wrote:

POLLUTERS UNITE!!! I agree with Djou on his opposition to rail. That money will be better spent on my gas. I need to drive my car more than anyone else could possibly imagine. We're all gonna die anyway as a result of global warming so live it up!!! Let's increase our dependence on foreign oil!!

Be serious. Djou has a complete plan. No rail and congestion pricing to get int town. Result is free flowing traffic for those who are willing to pay. The rest, of course, can take the bus, walk, ride a bicycle.

[Plato]

Hawaii Business Magazine, June 2008. Page 42.
How we get to work:

Driving alone: 421,604.
Public Trans: 33,929
Carpool: 100,904

So a whopping 6% use public trans.

Recent headlines @ the Advertiser says bus use is "booming" and up by 3-6%. Lets give them 6%.
This means a whopping 2,000 people have now given up their cars and switched to busses.

The city says that it estimates 7% will use rail. Lets give them that figure.

7%= 5021 more users.
So even if we go with the lowest cost of $3.7Billion for rail, that means we're spending 736,000 for EACH COMMUTER THAT SWITCHES.

[Me too]

Plato wrote:

Hawaii Business Magazine, June 2008. Page 42.
How we get to work:
Driving alone: 421,604.
Public Trans: 33,929
Carpool: 100,904
So a whopping 6% use public trans.
Recent headlines @ the Advertiser says bus use is "booming" and up by 3-6%. Lets give them 6%.
This means a whopping 2,000 people have now given up their cars and switched to busses.
The city says that it estimates 7% will use rail. Lets give them that figure.
7%= 5021 more users.
So even if we go with the lowest cost of $3.7Billion for rail, that means we're spending 736,000 for EACH COMMUTER THAT SWITCHES.

Just like BillionsforTransit you keep posting the same thing. I and many others do not bother to read after the first line.

[Von in Aiea]

alice wrote:

Von..I loved your wonderful comment about illusion and its tie to the Cross. Brilliant and most in here missed your point entirely. Christ as the the new source of reality..our new ground which relativizes the world of slim reality we hold on to. I am totally in love with Von! I knew of his depth before anyone here guessed it. I reached out to touch him in his depression one night as I suffer from that myself. We touched and the world was never the same. Iam a St Andrews Episcopalian....a humble Eurasian teen that had to face the big city alone. The Cross reminded me of the arbitrary nature of falsely solid reality and human norms. <hugs her Von closely>

Thanks alice

This is the wrong place to say this, but I will just the same.

In this life if you know then you know and no one can teach you, but on the other hand if you don't know then you don't know and also no one can teach you because you won't understand.

Life is like a picture of a huge statue of Buddha just for example only. He is just setting there kind of smiling. What else can he do?

If you know then you know and if you don't know then you don't know.

If you don't know then your mind wonders into areas like steel on steel rail systems.

[Anonymous]

Djou know that he lives in Hawaii Kai.
Djou know that politics is to promise but deliver nothing.
Djou know that he is like Dijon mustard.
Djou know nothing about the north shore or Waianae.
Djou know that he thinks he is right all the time.
Djou all know Djou.Djou? Do you?=)

[dudealohajoe]

alice is mine!!! no one gonna take alice

[Yikes]

Von and Alice you two should get a room. I think I'm going to puke.

[Yikes]

Tsarbomber, give it a rest. You got all the answers, huh?

[hotlanes]

Commuter wrote:

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H-3 built using 90 percent fed funds to connect two military bases, KMCAS and Pearl Harbor which is a national need.
The rail will cost $8.0 Billion for the full 30 miles and 95 percent will be paid for by Oahu Taxpayers. The total annual city budget is 2.3 Billion. Rail will not provide relief as stated by the mayor.
The people must be allowed to vote.

Where do you think the 90% of federal funds came from? Doesn't the people of Hawaii pay federal income taxes? No matter where the government funds come from, all of Hawaii pay for it.

[Dam Tam]

Regroup. The enemy is not Von nor Alice and not even GeorgeBrainWashington. Public enemy number one of the People turns out to be Mufi, Tam and the rest of the clowns whose names we shall write down so as to get out the vote against them, so they may feel pain of being tossed out of office, due to their arrogance.

[hotlanes]

alice wrote:

Von..I loved your wonderful comment about illusion and its tie to the Cross. Brilliant and most in here missed your point entirely. Christ as the the new source of reality..our new ground which relativizes the world of slim reality we hold on to. I am totally in love with Von! I knew of his depth before anyone here guessed it. I reached out to touch him in his depression one night as I suffer from that myself. We touched and the world was never the same. Iam a St Andrews Episcopalian....a humble Eurasian teen that had to face the big city alone. The Cross reminded me of the arbitrary nature of falsely solid reality and human norms. <hugs her Von closely>

Wow, these two wackos are in love. Maybe the will get married and move to ND and leave our island forever.

[Interesting]

Yikes wrote:

Tsarbomber, give it a rest. You got all the answers, huh?

Only the UH professor is allowed to have all the answers. His has a Ph.D. in several fields, traffic, transportation, planning, civil engineering, environmental engineering.

Impressive!

[townie]

Hoku, how dare they ignore you. Must've been Democrats.

[Commuter]

Kirkland wrote:

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Buses or its capital cost are extremely cheaper than Trains and rail tracks and its installation or capital cost of rail transit. The cost of maintenance for BRT buses is much cheaper than that for rail transit.
It is therefore illogical to build a 20-mile elevated guideway for trains. So, It is then more logical to build the elevated guideway for buses instead of trains.

The full Rail is 30 miles and $9.0 Billion, NOT 20 miles and $3.7 Billion. Never, never say 3.0 billion cause that's 3 years old and the cost has not reached $9.0 billion for full rail and inflation.

Bechtel PB conspired to hide no less than $6 billion in costs, so a project destined to exceed $14 billion could be represented at $8 billion. IG’s report lists 218 accounting tricks used to misrepresent and understate costs. They did this at the behest of the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority, on the premise that they had no responsibility to the public, which had to suffer the consequences of excessive costs and shoddy work, only to the agency that was paying in hundreds of millions of dollars in fees. According to the Boston Globe, Bechtel and PB greated their course with hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign contributions, which help explain the conduct of the agency and the governor. The IG reported that massive destruction of documents and abuse of attorney-client privilege were other tactics u sed to frustrate his quest to learn the full truths of what had happened.

Sound Transit Gives Public Money to Special Interest Groups, Michael Ennis,
Washington Policy Center for Transportation, 7/07/08
http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/Centers/trans...

Sound Transit, agency with taxing authority, gives direct financial contributions to non-governmental interest groups. Washington Policy Center also asks the State Auditor to investigate <http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/Centers/trans... ; whether the contributions constitute a gift of public funds, which is expressly prohibited in the state Constitution.

[alice]

Christ is the answer to our transit problems. We all must pray.

[Nuff]

Logic Needed wrote:

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If we're thinking big, let's just dam up Nuuanu Stream and produce all the power we could possibly need, and...
People, please think before you write. Texas ain't Hawaii (aren't you glad?). And if you think any neighborhood is going to sit still for a massive wind farm next door, you're mistaken. Remember the upset by leeward residents to the proposed wind turbines in the mountains? That project died because of a handful of opponents.
Progress isn't painless, but the benefit outweighs the temporary downside. Same goes for this rail project. Build it!

Actually I copied it so people could compare what 6 billion dollars spent on rail could buy.

I thought it was thinking outside of the box.

I realize that the windmills at Kahe Point were voted down, but that was before peoples' electrical bill doubled because oil prices went up, and all of a sudden everyone wanted to be "green."

The practical energy solution would be to have nuclear reactors since Pearl Harbor has a bunch of them floating all around the world going under the water without having a Chernobyl meltdown; it does not emit greenhouse gasses, but it is not politically correct.

Put it to a vote, and quit wasting tax payer's monies on advertising for rail.

[alice]

very true...the population does not wnat rail..we also don't want mufi.