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Letters to the editor - Hawaii Editorials

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More PT Tsutsui

Honolulu, HI

#1 Dec 26, 2009
You got that right, Tsutsui. Although the perception is the Honolulu Advertiser perhaps may have more subscribers, the quality there does not approach that provided citizens by the Star-Bulletin.

This is also expressed in the Advertiser's internet bulletin board, where some unknown hack deliberately censors views in opposition to those espoused by the Advertiser's editorial staff or that of the faceless black out artist.

In stark contrast, our Star-Bulletin lets the free exchange in the marketplace of ideas evolve any given debate, hone arguments, effuse ideas and ultimately lets the citizens make up there own mind too.

Support our Star-Bulletin.

Meanwhile, Jason Reyes makes some good arguments about rail and is correct in drawing our attention to the "rail road job" mufi's hacks did in rigging the process to avoid those suggestions made by Reyes.

Had the process been open and not tainted by politics and rewarding of mufi hacks, I would surmise there would be more support for rail.

As it now stands, mufi and his team can expect every single legal obstruction, legal stall and delay tactic, every kind of environmental lawsuit, every challenge to the EIS, numerous motions, various counter-motions, colorful appeals, exciting new trials, eternal subsidiary litigation, on top of the standard "Save the Aina," "Protect the Iwi," "Protect Open Space," "Save Agricultural Land," in addition to any any other idea the audience can throw into the gears of this make work project for the politically connected painted "Green."
mcg

Honolulu, HI

#2 Dec 26, 2009
Richard Webster's rant against the Senate Health Care reform bill is filled with misinformation. What mandates is the Senate exempting itself from? Senators will have to have health insurance like everyone else, but they work for an employer that provides it. Unfortunately, special deals (which did not cost a half trillion dollars) like those for Louisiana and Nebraska are nothing new.(Hawaii is one of the states which gets more federal government spending than it pays in federal taxes.) It is unfortunate that majority rule does not prevail in the US Senate, making it hard to accomplish anything significant. Favored treatment happens all the time in private industry. Senators voting on how to allocate tax dollars is not stealing. You have the opportunity to fire our Senators at each election. But the majority of their constituents don't seem to agree with you.

“Kokokahi -We are all one blood”

Since: Mar 08

United States

#3 Dec 26, 2009
To David Chappell:

First of all, ethnic Hawaiians are not an indigenous people. See
http://tinyurl.com/33br3

Second, they are already fully assimilated. Therefore the Akaka bill is not an attempt to preserve a separate and distinct people, but rather an attempt to take a fully integrated population and carve out one racial group.

Third, we have nothing to fear from the United Nations. If you think the United Nations is capable of protecting ethnic minorities, go tell that to the minorities in Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Sudan, China, etc.
BuildRailNow

Waimea, HI

#4 Dec 26, 2009
Jason Delos Reyes is right about rail's overall beneficial impact on traffic growth (it will be less with rail than without it), and his support of monorail technology is good to see in general. But while monorail may do just fine at a shopping center here, it isn't right for Honolulu's urban transportation requirements.

Monorail's "track" is a concrete beam that has to be swung laterally when a train requires switching to a parallel "track." That means swinging the whole beam, which evaluators found undesirable here.

As for More PT Tsutsui's comment, everybody should read his last paragraph again and then ask: Is this the kind of leadership this community wants -- obstructionism to the nth degree? Of course not. Yet the minority in this community who oppose rail -- yes, it's a minority -- are preparing to throw up those roadblocks to the the detriment of this project and all commuters who could ride this train. The City is ready for them and will knock back all efforts to stop rail's progress.
Au Contraire

Wahiawa, HI

#5 Dec 26, 2009
As Mark Twain once said, the problem is not what we know, it's what we know that just isn't so!

Queen Liliuokalani relinquished the crown lands freely, in detail, in writing, without coercion, and with the full consultation of her attorney. She also admonished her fellow citizens to accept the political identity of Hawaii established by the Republic and later the U.S. Territory. This document is available in the State archives. If she couldn't do it, who could? If no one could, this repeated whine about the crown lands deserves rightful rebuke. The crown lands are for the benefit of all the people of Hawaii, unlike when they were for the exclusive benefit of the monarch!

U. S. citizenship in the territory brought political liberty and, in fact, self determination, to Hawaii. The franchise was extended. More native Hawaiians could vote than ever before due to the reduction of hindrances to the franchise. Dilution of the vote by immigrant laborers was kept at bay until after World War II by laws prohibiting voting by oriental laborers. The territorial legislature was filled with native Hawaiian representatives, as well as kamaainas of other 'races,' and laws of the territory were made with the full participation of elected native Hawaiian representatives. Rather than a more absolute monarchy, which change the Queen attempted to effect, resulting in her overthrow, Hawaii became a representative republic with native Hawaiians among its largest voting blocks. This is political liberty, not monarchic subjection.

The oxymoron 'illegal overthrow' is a tendentious rhetorical trick working malicious magic on minds disposed to resentment. What 'overthrow' is not illegal? An overthrown government is always illegally overthrown. Hello.

Was Kamehameha's conquest of Oahu legal? Was Kaahumanu's conquest of Kauai legal?

The re-birth of the Hawaiian culture since the 70's has occurred in the land of the free and the home of the brave, in the United States of America. The people of Hawaii overwhelmingly accept and honor and appreciate the guidance of Hawaiian cultural advocates and practitioners in many areas of life. Keeping the culture alive is not politically forbidden, in fact, Hawaii's sovereign political rule favors the development of its host culture. Hawaiian is the other official language of government! It is the quiescence and inactivity of native Hawaiians that is one of the few limits on the flourishing of this host culture.

Seeking political power in a new, federally carved out political space may be the goal of some, but, if there are good reasons for it, an 'illegal overthrow' and 'sovereignty over crown lands' are not among them, unless you willfully prefer your historical facts as fabricated by partisans. Step out of the echo chamber and into the free public space of the actual, sovereign Hawaii, ruled in representative liberty by the vote of all people of all races and many cultures!

The Hawaiian kings knew that God made all people of one blood (there are, truly, no races, we are one human species, hello). This 'of the koko' separatism will lead to conflict and grief, and is contrary to the sentiments of a free and sovereign people, the people of the state of Hawaii. Host culture language and rituals and practices, flourishing, even dominant in many areas of public affairs, with the peoples' consent, yes. Ethnic separatism, no!
Von

Aiea, HI

#6 Dec 26, 2009
"Thanking Oahu for aloha spirit"
Bill Sullivan

I am happy you had a nice visit here on Oahu.

Yes over all most people are as you say, courteous, cheerful and helpful. If this was not so then I would not be here. I am very happy for all of my friends and in time we all become family. It's still a land of Aloha so just follow the sunshine and be happy.
Kuleana

Honolulu, HI

#7 Dec 26, 2009
Ken Conklin wrote:
To David Chappell:
First of all, ethnic Hawaiians are not an indigenous people. See
http://tinyurl.com/33br3
Second, they are already fully assimilated. Therefore the Akaka bill is not an attempt to preserve a separate and distinct people, but rather an attempt to take a fully integrated population and carve out one racial group.
Third, we have nothing to fear from the United Nations. If you think the United Nations is capable of protecting ethnic minorities, go tell that to the minorities in Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Sudan, China, etc.
I AGREE...we are the ORIGINAL...NATIVE People of ka pae 'aina o Hawai'i.
Assimilation IS a method of the OCCUPIER.
Prescription, the passing of time, DOES NOT make a nation EITHER, especially when there were PROTESTS FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE PRESENT!
Thank you CLARIFYING the INTENT of the Akaka Bill...we knew this ALL ALONG.
Now it seems since YOUR US Justice Department has inserted some language to REALLY allow some semblance of a 'native' american in the latest bill, the 'shirt is hitting the fan!' Now the phony REPUBLICAN governor and her 'mouth-piece' don't want the LATEST version even tho your congress has passed it OUT of their committees!?!
Caught with your own SEMANTICS and you DON'T LIKE IT!...not to say that the Independence groups like it either, but the 'shoe is on the other foot'... at least for a lil bit! HOW DO U LIKE IT??!
YOU & your ILK, are the left over CARPET-BAGGERS are the WANNABEE PRETENDERS and ASSIMILISTS!
What a boring world this would be under your god. If God wanted everyone to be the same HE would have made it that way!
YOUR kine and YOUR country has manipulated circumstances FROM THE BEGINNING and are one of the Key representatives in the UN. It helped FORM the basis of what is today the UN from the League of Nations.
A world wide discussion should be had on this matter as we've tried to have here to increase people's awareness of the Fraud that america has committed in its process of admission of the ILLEGALITY of the OVERTHROW, ANNEXATION, TERRITORIALISM AND STATEHOOD.
What are you afraid of?...the TRUTH!
Let's have the opportunity for the DEBATE you too want and have ALL sides presented and over-seen by the UN or peers of Equal say instead of continuing the HEWA the past. 40000 of our kupuna and the leadership back then couldn't have ALL been wrong!
KU'E! KU'E!! KU'E FOREVER!!!
Anti People

Ewa Beach, HI

#8 Dec 26, 2009
Republicans and Conservatives, in general, are just against every person in our country having available health care. I don't understand it. It must be because the insurance companies and HMOs stand to lose a lot of money if the gov't takes this over, and, of course, they are invested in the insurance companies and HMOs, so they will lose kala. Other than that, I cannot understand why the republican and conservatives are so against health insurance reform. They have opposed it for over 60 years, and fight it tooth and nail, as we still see now. Yet, they have offered no viable alternative. Now is the time, all you dittoheads. Accept it and move on, like the rest of us had to during the previous administration!
mcg wrote:
Richard Webster's rant against the Senate Health Care reform bill is filled with misinformation. What mandates is the Senate exempting itself from? Senators will have to have health insurance like everyone else, but they work for an employer that provides it. Unfortunately, special deals (which did not cost a half trillion dollars) like those for Louisiana and Nebraska are nothing new.(Hawaii is one of the states which gets more federal government spending than it pays in federal taxes.) It is unfortunate that majority rule does not prevail in the US Senate, making it hard to accomplish anything significant. Favored treatment happens all the time in private industry. Senators voting on how to allocate tax dollars is not stealing. You have the opportunity to fire our Senators at each election. But the majority of their constituents don't seem to agree with you.
TrainScam

Honolulu, HI

#9 Dec 26, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
the minority in this community who oppose rail -- yes, it's a minority -- are preparing to throw up those roadblocks to the the detriment of this project and all commuters who could ride this train. The City is ready for them and will knock back all efforts to stop rail's progress.
Only 6% in the Oahu community use TheBus.
To increase public transit ridership we must spend $6 billion dollars on heavy rail so bus riders can have a new "choice" & "option"????!!!! You are crazy!

With a train and bus, the 2008 city report shows only a 7% total ridership level in year 2030.
Is the city wrong?
This small 7% is the super small minority on Oahu.
The majority on Oahu is the 80-90% who choose the option of personal freedom of car use on our roads.
alice

Hanalei, HI

#10 Dec 26, 2009
The Hawaiian invasiuon and ripping off the Marquesan lands here is outrageous.
BuildRailNow

Waimea, HI

#11 Dec 26, 2009
TrainScam wrote:
<quoted text>
Only 6% in the Oahu community use TheBus.
To increase public transit ridership we must spend $6 billion dollars on heavy rail so bus riders can have a new "choice" & "option"????!!!! You are crazy!
With a train and bus, the 2008 city report shows only a 7% total ridership level in year 2030.
Is the city wrong?
This small 7% is the super small minority on Oahu.
The majority on Oahu is the 80-90% who choose the option of personal freedom of car use on our roads.
This is 1950s thinking! Amazingly, your analysis leads you to believe rail is being built only for bus riders! LOL. Before we're treated to anything else remotely similar to what you've posted so far, do some reading. HonoluluTransit.org is a good place to start. Then, after you've read the documentation there, do some research about why cities all over the world have built modern grade-separated transit systems and who rides them. You'll find that trains are filled with commuters who used to DRIVE THEIR OWN CARS!
yeah sure

Honolulu, HI

#12 Dec 26, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
Jason Delos Reyes is right about rail's overall beneficial impact on traffic growth (it will be less with rail than without it), and his support of monorail technology is good to see in general. But while monorail may do just fine at a shopping center here, it isn't right for Honolulu's urban transportation requirements.
Monorail's "track" is a concrete beam that has to be swung laterally when a train requires switching to a parallel "track." That means swinging the whole beam, which evaluators found undesirable here.
As for More PT Tsutsui's comment, everybody should read his last paragraph again and then ask: Is this the kind of leadership this community wants -- obstructionism to the nth degree? Of course not. Yet the minority in this community who oppose rail -- yes, it's a minority -- are preparing to throw up those roadblocks to the the detriment of this project and all commuters who could ride this train. The City is ready for them and will knock back all efforts to stop rail's progress.
Such arrogant bravado from BRN acting here as proxy and even spokesman for "The City."

"The City is ready for them..." Oh yeah?

The City is really just Mufi and his hacks pretending to be "The City."

Okay, here is your chance, BRN. Explain then how it is that Mufi swore ground breaking was to take place before the end of this 2009 year, but, with only 5 days left, no ground breaking has occurred?

Don't worry, BRN. The worst is yet to come.

You may want to consider cashing in your retirement from Brinkerhoff now, it's stocks are about to take a dive.
One Sixty Fourth

Honolulu, HI

#13 Dec 26, 2009
Au Contraire wrote:
As Mark Twain once said, the problem is not what we know, it's what we know that just isn't so!
Queen Liliuokalani relinquished the crown lands freely, in detail, in writing, without coercion, and with the full consultation of her attorney. She also admonished her fellow citizens to accept the political identity of Hawaii established by the Republic and later the U.S. Territory. This document is available in the State archives. If she couldn't do it, who could? If no one could, this repeated whine about the crown lands deserves rightful rebuke. The crown lands are for the benefit of all the people of Hawaii, unlike when they were for the exclusive benefit of the monarch!
U. S. citizenship in the territory brought political liberty and, in fact, self determination, to Hawaii. The franchise was extended. More native Hawaiians could vote than ever before due to the reduction of hindrances to the franchise. Dilution of the vote by immigrant laborers was kept at bay until after World War II by laws prohibiting voting by oriental laborers. The territorial legislature was filled with native Hawaiian representatives, as well as kamaainas of other 'races,' and laws of the territory were made with the full participation of elected native Hawaiian representatives. Rather than a more absolute monarchy, which change the Queen attempted to effect, resulting in her overthrow, Hawaii became a representative republic with native Hawaiians among its largest voting blocks. This is political liberty, not monarchic subjection.
The oxymoron 'illegal overthrow' is a tendentious rhetorical trick working malicious magic on minds disposed to resentment. What 'overthrow' is not illegal? An overthrown government is always illegally overthrown. Hello.
Was Kamehameha's conquest of Oahu legal? Was Kaahumanu's conquest of Kauai legal?
The re-birth of the Hawaiian culture since the 70's has occurred in the land of the free and the home of the brave, in the United States of America. The people of Hawaii overwhelmingly accept and honor and appreciate the guidance of Hawaiian cultural advocates and practitioners in many areas of life. Keeping the culture alive is not politically forbidden, in fact, Hawaii's sovereign political rule favors the development of its host culture. Hawaiian is the other official language of government! It is the quiescence and inactivity of native Hawaiians that is one of the few limits on the flourishing of this host culture.
Seeking political power in a new, federally carved out political space may be the goal of some, but, if there are good reasons for it, an 'illegal overthrow' and 'sovereignty over crown lands' are not among them, unless you willfully prefer your historical facts as fabricated by partisans. Step out of the echo chamber and into the free public space of the actual, sovereign Hawaii, ruled in representative liberty by the vote of all people of all races and many cultures!
The Hawaiian kings knew that God made all people of one blood (there are, truly, no races, we are one human species, hello). This 'of the koko' separatism will lead to conflict and grief, and is contrary to the sentiments of a free and sovereign people, the people of the state of Hawaii. Host culture language and rituals and practices, flourishing, even dominant in many areas of public affairs, with the peoples' consent, yes. Ethnic separatism, no!
Epic!

Maybe our President Obama will take a break from all the Hawaii Democrat hangers-on swarming like flies, as well as all those pesky american idle paparazzi, and maybe even read your post. Hope he does.

The liberal left fell for this manufactured self imposed guilt trip expressed in this Fake Indian Tribe Bill, and urge passage to assuage their self-righteousness.

"The Life of the Freeloader is Perpetuated in Liberal Self-Righteousness"
Hookaumaha

Kapaa, HI

#14 Dec 26, 2009
Au Contraire wrote:
As Mark Twain once said, the problem is not what we know, it's what we know that just isn't so!
Queen Liliuokalani relinquished the crown lands freely, in detail, in writing, without coercion, and with the full consultation of her attorney. She also admonished her fellow citizens to accept the political identity of Hawaii established by the Republic and later the U.S. Territory. This document is available in the State archives. If she couldn't do it, who could? If no one could, this repeated whine about the crown lands deserves rightful rebuke. The crown lands are for the benefit of all the people of Hawaii, unlike when they were for the exclusive benefit of the monarch!
U. S. citizenship in the territory brought political liberty and, in fact, self determination, to Hawaii. The franchise was extended. More native Hawaiians could vote than ever before due to the reduction of hindrances to the franchise. Dilution of the vote by immigrant laborers was kept at bay until after World War II by laws prohibiting voting by oriental laborers. The territorial legislature was filled with native Hawaiian representatives, as well as kamaainas of other 'races,' and laws of the territory were made with the full participation of elected native Hawaiian representatives. Rather than a more absolute monarchy, which change the Queen attempted to effect, resulting in her overthrow, Hawaii became a representative republic with native Hawaiians among its largest voting blocks. This is political liberty, not monarchic subjection.
The oxymoron 'illegal overthrow' is a tendentious rhetorical trick working malicious magic on minds disposed to resentment. What 'overthrow' is not illegal? An overthrown government is always illegally overthrown. Hello.
Was Kamehameha's conquest of Oahu legal? Was Kaahumanu's conquest of Kauai legal?
The re-birth of the Hawaiian culture since the 70's has occurred in the land of the free and the home of the brave, in the United States of America. The people of Hawaii overwhelmingly accept and honor and appreciate the guidance of Hawaiian cultural advocates and practitioners in many areas of life. Keeping the culture alive is not politically forbidden, in fact, Hawaii's sovereign political rule favors the development of its host culture. Hawaiian is the other official language of government! It is the quiescence and inactivity of native Hawaiians that is one of the few limits on the flourishing of this host culture.
Seeking political power in a new, federally carved out political space may be the goal of some, but, if there are good reasons for it, an 'illegal overthrow' and 'sovereignty over crown lands' are not among them, unless you willfully prefer your historical facts as fabricated by partisans. Step out of the echo chamber and into the free public space of the actual, sovereign Hawaii, ruled in representative liberty by the vote of all people of all races and many cultures!
The Hawaiian kings knew that God made all people of one blood (there are, truly, no races, we are one human species, hello). This 'of the koko' separatism will lead to conflict and grief, and is contrary to the sentiments of a free and sovereign people, the people of the state of Hawaii. Host culture language and rituals and practices, flourishing, even dominant in many areas of public affairs, with the peoples' consent, yes. Ethnic separatism, no!
Revisionist history at its best. I asked my father once, why as Hawaiian he did not speak the language, He responded that teachers (white) would punish any one speaking and writing Hawaiian, and would not give passing grades to those who did. Just one example of American "Ethnic Cleansing" of Natives Peoples.
BuildRailNow

Waimea, HI

#15 Dec 26, 2009
yeah sure wrote:
<quoted text>
Such arrogant bravado from BRN acting here as proxy and even spokesman for "The City."
"The City is ready for them..." Oh yeah?
The City is really just Mufi and his hacks pretending to be "The City."
Okay, here is your chance, BRN. Explain then how it is that Mufi swore ground breaking was to take place before the end of this 2009 year, but, with only 5 days left, no ground breaking has occurred?
Don't worry, BRN. The worst is yet to come.
You may want to consider cashing in your retirement from Brinkerhoff now, it's stocks are about to take a dive.
It's the Day After Christmas, and all "yeah sure" has to offer is foul-mouthed ugly attacks. Do you have anything substantive to offer to this discussion or just more hate-mongering?
commuter

Kailua Kona, HI

#16 Dec 26, 2009
TrainScam wrote:
<quoted text>
Only 6% in the Oahu community use TheBus.
To increase public transit ridership we must spend $6 billion dollars on heavy rail so bus riders can have a new "choice" & "option"????!!!! Is the city wrong?
No, they are not. I'm afraid you are the one that is wrong. The rail project is NOT being built for the bus rider of today. It is being built to provide options to commuting, to direct orderly growth including future growth in Kapolei which is already causing congestion problems on H-1 (by facilitating growth in areas planned to be developed, you keep the country country), to remove 30,000 cars of the roads and to improve the quality of life of all Oahu residents. Is that enough for you?
commuter

Kailua Kona, HI

#17 Dec 26, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the Day After Christmas, and all "yeah sure" has to offer is foul-mouthed ugly attacks. Do you have anything substantive to offer to this discussion or just more hate-mongering?
some children aren't content with playing with their new Christmas toys this morning, an find it more entertaining to bash the city. Why don't they do something productive instead?
Ho Ho Ho

Honolulu, HI

#18 Dec 26, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the Day After Christmas, and all "yeah sure" has to offer is foul-mouthed ugly attacks. Do you have anything substantive to offer to this discussion or just more hate-mongering?
Man, you are so sensitive. Ok, BRN, go outside and go play with your imaginary train set with your imaginary friends.(Yeah, they'll cut and run when your former employees retirement fund dries up. And you thought they were friends, huh?)

The real People, you know, the tax payers, hate you.
Rest of the Story

Honolulu, HI

#19 Dec 26, 2009
commuter wrote:
<quoted text>No, they are not. I'm afraid you are the one that is wrong. The rail project is NOT being built for the bus rider of today. It is being built to provide options to commuting, to direct orderly growth including future growth in Kapolei which is already causing congestion problems on H-1 (by facilitating growth in areas planned to be developed, you keep the country country), to remove 30,000 cars of the roads and to improve the quality of life of all Oahu residents. Is that enough for you?
Oh, how nice. Now, let's hear the rest of the story. You know, the part you left out?

$6 Billion Dollars, huh?

Who is going to profit off of that $6 Billion?

Your disingenuous concern amounts to no more than another repeated sales pitch promoting rail for Parsons-Brinkerhoff and all the rest of the companies mufi has already awarded contracts to.

Guess what? Look around, buddy, the economy is tanking. Heck, even mufi is threatening to raise property taxes to take up the loss of the Hotel and TAT that Lingle is going to seize.

And then, of course, the next responsible thing for the State, who holds the power to collect the .5% GE rail tax, is to seize that rail tax too.
commuter

Kailua Kona, HI

#20 Dec 26, 2009
Rest of the Story wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, how nice. Now, let's hear the rest of the story. You know, the part you left out?
$6 Billion Dollars, huh?
Too bad some of us never studied history or economics in college. If you did, you would know that some of the largest public works projects in the US were built right after the Great Depression to put people back to work and help stimulate the economy. Ever heard of the Tennessee Valley Authority? Road and other projects put workers in the south back to work. Same for Hoover Dam. Started in 1931 for the western states. And if you payed attention to Econ 101 classes, you would know the monetary multiplier theory causes dollars spent to multiply as it works its way through the economy. Recent data shows for every dollar spent on transit, there is a 5-6 dollar return. So rail is an investment in several ways, whether you understand it or not. Hope you are enjoying the Holidays!

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