Stunning end comes suddenly for workers

Stunning end comes suddenly for workers

There are 50 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 29, 2008, titled Stunning end comes suddenly for workers. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Many employees find it hard to say goodbye to clients and friends By Leila Fujimori [email protected] Aloha Cargo employees appeared stunned after learning from the news media late yesterday afternoon ...

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Since: Feb 08

Minneapolis

#1 Apr 29, 2008
With all that has happened to Aloha Airlines in recent weeks this does not come as a surprise to me. But how can management not know the drop-dead date ahead of time so they can give their employees a heads-up?

Bad enough to lose your job but at least give them some warning so they can make plans. Yes, the employees should have seen the writing on the wall but throughout this whole thing I get the feeling management has dropped the ball.
red okole

Portsmouth, VA

#2 Apr 29, 2008
Keep your chin up, prayers to all at Aloha...He will provide.
hilo boy

Oakland, CA

#3 Apr 29, 2008
Hey you guys, Look at this the only way you can. You were looking for a job when you found this one.
Michael

Bangkok, Thailand

#4 Apr 29, 2008
Terrible what this country has become these last nearly eight years ,its a total disgrace . What will happen to these and the many other good people that want to work an honest job. Who will help these people now ? will they get bailed out like Bear Sterns ? I think not.
jimmy

Hutto, TX

#5 Apr 29, 2008
It is not GO! Wake up you morons, Aloha was destined for this and the final nail was done by YOUR OWN PILOTS! Everybody wants to blame GO, well GO ahead because Aloha is A L O H A.
Big Okole

Cape Charles, VA

#6 Apr 29, 2008
This was predictable.

The rising fuel prices and fuel surcharges had Aloha Air Cargo's customers searching for other alternatives.

Just last week GMAC had to inject a couple million just to keep the operation going until Monday.

I blame the pilots union for finally shutting down Aloha. By threatening to go on strike they scared away any potential buyers resulting in low bids and causing GMAC to lose confidence in the operation.

The pilots union could have saved things by just retracting their demand for the new buyer to hire the former Aloha pilots.

The other grievance the pilot's union had concerned senior pilots flying cargo and I believe that was addressed by the company by scheduling these pilots for training to fly the cargo aircraft.

I am surprised that the other Aloha workers did not protest against the pilots and implore them to quit causing trouble.

GMAC has been injecting millions of dollars into Aloha just to keep the operation going. It was announced last week that Aloha only had enough funds to keep going till Monday and it sounds like everyone thought that GMAC was going to keep dumping money down this hole.

To all the unemployed Aloha workers you can thank ALPA and the Aloha pilots for the loss of your jobs. They may not have started the downfall of Aloha but they putt he final nail in your coffin.
Ramjet

Lakeside, CA

#7 Apr 29, 2008
And you're still stuck in Northern Mexico
Ramjet

Lakeside, CA

#8 Apr 29, 2008
Big Okole wrote:
This was predictable.
The rising fuel prices and fuel surcharges had Aloha Air Cargo's customers searching for other alternatives.
Just last week GMAC had to inject a couple million just to keep the operation going until Monday.
I blame the pilots union for finally shutting down Aloha. By threatening to go on strike they scared away any potential buyers resulting in low bids and causing GMAC to lose confidence in the operation.
The pilots union could have saved things by just retracting their demand for the new buyer to hire the former Aloha pilots.
The other grievance the pilot's union had concerned senior pilots flying cargo and I believe that was addressed by the company by scheduling these pilots for training to fly the cargo aircraft.
I am surprised that the other Aloha workers did not protest against the pilots and implore them to quit causing trouble.
GMAC has been injecting millions of dollars into Aloha just to keep the operation going. It was announced last week that Aloha only had enough funds to keep going till Monday and it sounds like everyone thought that GMAC was going to keep dumping money down this hole.
To all the unemployed Aloha workers you can thank ALPA and the Aloha pilots for the loss of your jobs. They may not have started the downfall of Aloha but they putt he final nail in your coffin.
Your logic is flawed. Its about money. The other workers didn't object because they know the truth. If there was no MONEY to be made GMAC wasn't going to play...even if the pilots flew for free. If there was MONEY to be made, GMAC would have been right there making deals. You might even want to think about managements actions since the last BK. Or even read the current BK documents. Its too easy to make uninformed accusations.
Big Okole

Cape Charles, VA

#9 Apr 29, 2008
Ramjet wrote:
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Your logic is flawed. Its about money. The other workers didn't object because they know the truth. If there was no MONEY to be made GMAC wasn't going to play...even if the pilots flew for free. If there was MONEY to be made, GMAC would have been right there making deals. You might even want to think about managements actions since the last BK. Or even read the current BK documents. Its too easy to make uninformed accusations.
I am not arguing about how Aloha came into bankruptcy but what finally caused them to shut down.

It is about money.

Here is why. The pilots action in the end:

- scared away the shippers to make alternative arrangements (ferry bread to Maui, etc)
- scared away potential buyers
- made potential buyers submit low bids.

If Aloha had appeared to be a stable company with a happy pilot group not threatening to go on strike they would not have lost customers and the potential buys would have been willing to pay more for the company.

The actions of the pilots made the company unattractive to any potential buyers.

It's like paying more for a car that is running that one that just need a "tuneup" to run.
Chris

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#10 Apr 29, 2008
Of course some other airline or airlines will step in to fill the air cargo needs in Hawaii. Its a profitable business. If you were running one of these new businesses would you hire any of these Aloha pilots (assuming you were in your right mind)? People who would much rather see the company fail and the state be left in the lurch rather than give up their "rights" are the last people I would hire.
Mr-Aloha-2

Portland, OR

#11 Apr 29, 2008
jimmy wrote:
It is not GO! Wake up you morons, Aloha was destined for this and the final nail was done by YOUR OWN PILOTS! Everybody wants to blame GO, well GO ahead because Aloha is A L O H A.
You're not playing nice in the sandbox 'jimmy.' I'm wondering why you state that Aloha was destined for this!? I'm also guessing you don't have a clue...
Big Okole

Cape Charles, VA

#12 Apr 29, 2008
Chris wrote:
Of course some other airline or airlines will step in to fill the air cargo needs in Hawaii. Its a profitable business. If you were running one of these new businesses would you hire any of these Aloha pilots (assuming you were in your right mind)? People who would much rather see the company fail and the state be left in the lurch rather than give up their "rights" are the last people I would hire.
By the time another cargo carrier comes in it may be too late since a lot of the cargo will find alternate means of transportation.

The only way I see a new air carrier coming in is if GO shuts down. I can see a new turboprop carrier coming in using ATR 42/72 as a passenger and cargo airline.

Within a year the second superferry will come in and start service to the Big Island and Kauai and can take a lot of the cargo to those islands.

When you look at the cargo Aloha flew between the islands, A lot of it can go by ferry or barge.

Mail - Tine sensitive. flown in mail bags and can be flown in any aircraft. Put a OGG tag on it and put it in the baggage compartment of a GO, Hawaiian, or Island Air plane and it can be flown to Maui.

Bread - Bulky. Relatively high cost of shipping for a relatively low value product. Best transported on a dedicated cargo aircraft. Not time sensitive and can take a 3 hour ferry ride to the neighbor islands.

Fruits and vegetables - Bulky. Relatively high cost of shipping for a relatively low value product. Best transported on a dedicated cargo aircraft. Not time sensitive and can take a 3 hour ferry ride to the neighbor islands.

Flowers - Relatively high value product. Time sensitive if it has to make a connecting flight to the mainland. Put flowers in a box and a HNL tag on it and put it in the baggage compartment of a GO, Hawaiian, or Island Air plane and it can be flown to Honolulu. Or put the flowers in a refrigerated truck and send it via superferry.
wayne

United States

#13 Apr 29, 2008
If for what I read is true about the pilots union, I guess thats why my workplace voted against union representation. As for JIMMY, have you ever flown on a GO jet recently? I have and first of all, they dont give any complimentary juice for passsengers. Second, I personally feel (I flew few times on Aloha and Hawn) that the stewards on board dont have much ALOHA when I observed them conducting themselves..rather there to just earn a paycheck.
Tradesman

Honolulu, HI

#14 Apr 29, 2008
Great job by the union. It's either their way or they'll shut you down? Don't worry gang, the union will find you another job. You don't want to keep paying monthly union dues and while not working don't you? Leave it to them. Right on huh.
wayne

United States

#15 Apr 29, 2008
One more thing...with the domino effect of companies going out of business and more layoffs happening, and price INCREASES due to alternative means of shipping goods, what we DONT NEED now is RAIL TRANSIT which is going to UP the costs of living to support this. We are going to get more homeless people due to the expenses needed to build this monstrosity! Without a job, how are people going to pay to support their families?
gotc

Honolulu, HI

#16 Apr 29, 2008
During times like these their are groups of people only concern with their well being. If the piolts weren't so negative about the situation perhaps some of them and other employee's would still be working. Been there.. same type of situations. People from the mainland come in an B....S.... their way. Sometimes local companys are so impressed how these so called enlighten ones have to say. We people born, raised and educated in Hawaii many of times not taken serious. It takes about 1 - 2 years for their poor decision come back to haunt the company. By then these people return to the mainland before the stuff hit the fan an secure another position. The locals who were passed over again pick up the stuff. Sounds very depressing. I'm not negative .. however that is how it is in the health care industry in Hawaii. I feel for these people of Aloha Airlines. They are only employee's. People on the top ie boards CEO's etc not to mention the greedy pilots who were high paid shame on you.
You screwed a lot of innocent people.
James Kanahele

Honolulu, HI

#17 Apr 29, 2008
shame, SHAME! on the owners and inept managment of noaloha airlines to subject their loyal employees and customers to this kind of abuse and disrespect! SHAME!
DMan

AOL

#18 Apr 29, 2008
Auwe no ho'i e
James Kanahele

Honolulu, HI

#19 Apr 29, 2008
if any noaloha pilots are looking for work after their unemployment payments run out, I am hiring part-timers at my gas station.$9 per hour to start!

Since: Apr 08

Kula, HI

#20 Apr 29, 2008
I will miss those at the Maui Aloha Cargo terminal who have become my friends over many years. Mahalo for the great service you have provided. I wish you well for whatever the future holds.

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