Elevated rail plan is the right way t...

Elevated rail plan is the right way to go - Editorials

There are 155 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 30, 2009, titled Elevated rail plan is the right way to go - Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

City Councilman Duke Bainum is like the guy who shows up late for the big meeting -- and everyone has to endure having to retell and rehear what was explained before.

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Foreign babe

Hamburg, Germany

#22 Apr 30, 2009
Mr Yoshioka is a very smart man and he does a lot for all the little people of Honolulu to make sure their pro-rail voice is not shouted out by negative ignoramuses. You can always trust your local Nipponese engineers. They are never political.

Rail is divine. We need more enclosed tubes packed with hundreds of foul smelling and flu infected commuters. Oh Wayne, I think I love you.
JKai

Makawao, HI

#23 Apr 30, 2009
" City Councilman Duke Bainum is like the guy who shows up late for the big meeting -- and everyone has to endure having to retell and rehear what was explained before. " - Wayne Yoshioka

Yes, and what was explained before was that the FIX WAS IN. Mufi and his land developer buddies and union cronies WERE going to build the most expensive train they could using technology from the 1800s. They were going to build it from an empty cane field to a frickin' Gucci store but the route between the two was up for grabs if he could buy your vote with it. Mr Yoshioka, you are a disgrace to the people of Oahu.
mario

Kihei, HI

#24 Apr 30, 2009
The City sink the The Boat. The rail will sink the City. Lets us think of cheaper alternatives to our traffic for 600,000 residents only.
Bob

Honolulu, HI

#25 Apr 30, 2009
willie wrote:
"Didn't we already vote on this."
If you call being asked if the rail should be steel on steel (and no other options like..should we even HAVE rail) a vote on it then yeah, it was voted on.
How's the weather out there in Farmington?
Bob

Honolulu, HI

#26 Apr 30, 2009
Foreign babe wrote:
Mr Yoshioka is a very smart man and he does a lot for all the little people of Honolulu to make sure their pro-rail voice is not shouted out by negative ignoramuses. You can always trust your local Nipponese engineers. They are never political.
Rail is divine. We need more enclosed tubes packed with hundreds of foul smelling and flu infected commuters. Oh Wayne, I think I love you.
How's the weather out there in Hamburg?
You sound like a cheesburg.

Since: Apr 09

Honolulu, HI

#27 Apr 30, 2009
ad hominem wrote:
a report from Ian Lind on his blog -- ILind.net
"... I was browsing through comments submitted during the “scoping” phase of the city’s EIS process for the proposed rail, and came upon this startling statement in an official response:
Vehicle and system technologies will not be selected prior to the draft Environmental Impact Statement. Comments about issues related to vehicle and system technologies will be considered when specifications are developed.
But the draft EIS was only delivered in November 2008, and a year earlier the public was being told it was just too late to change the technology choice already made by the mayor and his people.
So was the official city position in mid-2006, that no technology choices would be made prior to the EIS, simply a lie? A distortion? An obfuscation?"
WELCOME TO muli mufi's WORLD of LIES AND FALSE STATEMENTS!!
Hawaii Resident

United States

#28 Apr 30, 2009
willie wrote:
"Didn't we already vote on this."
If you call being asked if the rail should be steel on steel (and no other options like..should we even HAVE rail) a vote on it then yeah, it was voted on.
The quotes below is taken from the StarBulletin Oct 19, 2008. Your wording might be correct, but the interpretation is not. It's just a little curious why someone from Farrington, MI is so passionate about the purpose of Mufi.

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/hawaiinews/3...

The question posed to Oahu voters will be, "Shall the powers, duties, and functions of the city, through its director of transportation services, include establishment of a steel wheel on steel rail transit system?"

A majority "yes" vote on this question would validate Hannemann's assertion that Oahu residents want this system. Critics of Hannemann's system, including those on the City Council, said they would stop opposing the project if voters approve it.
Hmmm

Honolulu, HI

#29 Apr 30, 2009
Taking away traffic lanes and decreasing cars is exactly what we want to do! If we're serious about going green, mass transit is the way to go, and we need a good majority to get on board with this.
What's cost-effective (a.k.a. cheaper) isn't always the way to go if we're planning for a greener future.
Robin Hood

Honolulu, HI

#30 Apr 30, 2009
If Yoshioka can't count, how can we depend on him for transportation needs?
Bainum said last 30 years, only one light rail has been built. Yoshioka says since 1972, six have been built. 30 years from 72 is 2002. Bro, this is 2009.
Even the DEIS said the city has not taken a real look at other technologies. So Yosh's whole point here is moot.
He's spinning us silly. But we ain't stupid.
Hawaii Resident

United States

#34 Apr 30, 2009
aeowynne wrote:
<quoted text>
IF people KNEW THE WHOLE TRUTH BEHIND muli's assertions they WOULD NEVER HAVE VOTED FOR IT. BUT he MADE PEOPLE BELIEVE whatever he was saying. Winning by 6,000 votes doesn't sound like a MAJORITY!! And further more if PEOPLE REALISED THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE IF THE RAIL DOES NOT MAKE MONEY would have made a big difference. It sure sounds like you will be getting ONE OF muli's cushy jobs and work for the rail, RIGHT!!
I'm a Chinese/Filipino that works for the Federal Government. I'm just glad that we live in a democratic society.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#35 Apr 30, 2009
Rail is done hon..wait until the bad EIS come sout. Mufi always was a shifty shibai artist
Bob

Honolulu, HI

#36 Apr 30, 2009
aeowynne wrote:
<quoted text>
IF people KNEW THE WHOLE TRUTH BEHIND muli's assertions they WOULD NEVER HAVE VOTED FOR IT. BUT he MADE PEOPLE BELIEVE whatever he was saying. Winning by 6,000 votes doesn't sound like a MAJORITY!! And further more if PEOPLE REALISED THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE IF THE RAIL DOES NOT MAKE MONEY would have made a big difference. It sure sounds like you will be getting ONE OF muli's cushy jobs and work for the rail, RIGHT!!
Take a deep breath, then go to your room for a time out. If you're quite for one hour, you can have some ice cream.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#37 Apr 30, 2009
alice wrote:
Rail is done hon..wait until the bad EIS come sout. Mufi always was a shifty shibai artist
very true
mein Zug

Honolulu, HI

#38 Apr 30, 2009
Foreign babe wrote:
Mr Yoshioka is a very smart man and he does a lot for all the little people of Honolulu to make sure their pro-rail voice is not shouted out by negative ignoramuses. You can always trust your local Nipponese engineers. They are never political.
Rail is divine. We need more enclosed tubes packed with hundreds of foul smelling and flu infected commuters. Oh Wayne, I think I love you.
Great post!
I love posts that drip with sarcasm!!!
PS Extra points for using the word "ignoramses"
alice

Honolulu, HI

#39 Apr 30, 2009
Mufi has been lying about the true costs of this nightmare rail for years.
ummmm

Honolulu, HI

#40 Apr 30, 2009
Hawaii Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
The quotes below is taken from the StarBulletin Oct 19, 2008. Your wording might be correct, but the interpretation is not. It's just a little curious why someone from Farrington, MI is so passionate about the purpose of Mufi.
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/hawaiinews/3...
The question posed to Oahu voters will be, "Shall the powers, duties, and functions of the city, through its director of transportation services, include establishment of a steel wheel on steel rail transit system?"
A majority "yes" vote on this question would validate Hannemann's assertion that Oahu residents want this system. Critics of Hannemann's system, including those on the City Council, said they would stop opposing the project if voters approve it.
The question was rigged to begin with.
It was not a vote for or against rail, as it should have been. The ballot question SHOULD have been:
"Shall the powers, duties, and functions of the city, through its director of transportation services, include establishment of a rail transit system?".
We never got to say whether we wanted rail or not.
The question posed had already decided that.
The question only asks WHAT KIND of rail we were going to be Shanghai'd into.
And, again, just because the poster's ISP is in Michigan, doesn't mean that the poster isn't on Oahu.
willie

Altamont, IL

#41 Apr 30, 2009
Hawaii Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
The quotes below is taken from the StarBulletin Oct 19, 2008. Your wording might be correct, but the interpretation is not. It's just a little curious why someone from Farrington, MI is so passionate about the purpose of Mufi.
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/hawaiinews/3...
The question posed to Oahu voters will be, "Shall the powers, duties, and functions of the city, through its director of transportation services, include establishment of a steel wheel on steel rail transit system?"
A majority "yes" vote on this question would validate Hannemann's assertion that Oahu residents want this system. Critics of Hannemann's system, including those on the City Council, said they would stop opposing the project if voters approve it.
OK how about this ISP location? I notice yours is "United States"....I suspect I am interested because as a taxpayer I always want to be involved when funds are being thrown away....how about you? Do you really feel this is a good project given the economy, the cost to build it then the ongoing costs to maintain it and subsidize if for what will amount to a very small ridership?
Hawaii Resident

United States

#42 Apr 30, 2009
ummmm wrote:
<quoted text>
The question was rigged to begin with.
It was not a vote for or against rail, as it should have been. The ballot question SHOULD have been:
"Shall the powers, duties, and functions of the city, through its director of transportation services, include establishment of a rail transit system?".
We never got to say whether we wanted rail or not.
The question posed had already decided that.
The question only asks WHAT KIND of rail we were going to be Shanghai'd into.
And, again, just because the poster's ISP is in Michigan, doesn't mean that the poster isn't on Oahu.
You're arguing over semantics. The intention is clear. "YES" for rail.

I'm not going to get into an argument over what computer procedures on how to manipulate your ISP.
Hawaii Resident

United States

#43 Apr 30, 2009
willie wrote:
<quoted text>
OK how about this ISP location? I notice yours is "United States"....I suspect I am interested because as a taxpayer I always want to be involved when funds are being thrown away....how about you? Do you really feel this is a good project given the economy, the cost to build it then the ongoing costs to maintain it and subsidize if for what will amount to a very small ridership?
Let me think about that.....YES! Small ridership. Do you really know what the "small ridership" number is going to be. Don't speculate for us. Hawaii has already decided that at the polls.
leeward lolo

Elgin, IL

#44 Apr 30, 2009
PuppetYoshioka wrote:
The Star Bulletin must be hurting big time for pro rail ad money to give Wayne Yoshioka's stupid editorial even a square inch of space. I am not a Bainum supporter and voted for Mufi but I am against the rail because I don't believe it is economically viable. Only one person in the history of this State has raised our GET ... that credit goes to Mufi. Mufi has taxed the hell out of me and I never have had to pay so much in property taxes and fees as I have under Mufi. I really though when Mufi had the slogan "do we need it, can we afford it, can we maintain it" that it meant a smaller less expensive government and hopefully more productive and efficient. What Mufi has created is a money gobbling monster city government machine that none of us can afford. Wayne Yoshioka is a paid puppet with our taxpayers money.
His "honor" is a dj on an oldies radio station Saturdays at noon, was on Cheap Eats several nights ago and performed that singing embarrasment during his speech.

With luck he will move to Hollywood.

When he was on Cheap Eats he was talking away with food hanging out of his mouth like a pig.

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