Protesters won't bite on proposal - Hawaii News

Ringing fishing bells and holding protest signs, a coalition of more than 90 boaters and fishers held a demonstration at the state Capitol yesterday against proposed state rules that they say would restrict their recreation and lifestyle. Full Story
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Local Culture

Honolulu, HI

#1 Dec 29, 2009
"This is really important to local culture and tradition," said Jeanie Li, an organizer of the demonstration.

So, an immigrant or immigrant descendant decides to announce suddenly his authority to declare what is important to "local culture and tradition?"

With the economy sinking and users of these resources essentially getting a free ride or largely subsidized ride, these fishermen and boaters don't want to pay their share.

They should consider the many who do not use or consume these community resources who at this point are stuck having to subsidize their disproportionate use of such resources.

Pay your way, freeloader.
YES WE CANT

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#2 Dec 29, 2009
Local Culture wrote:
"This is really important to local culture and tradition," said Jeanie Li, an organizer of the demonstration.
So, an immigrant or immigrant descendant decides to announce suddenly his authority to declare what is important to "local culture and tradition?"
With the economy sinking and users of these resources essentially getting a free ride or largely subsidized ride, these fishermen and boaters don't want to pay their share.
They should consider the many who do not use or consume these community resources who at this point are stuck having to subsidize their disproportionate use of such resources.
Pay your way, freeloader.
Great arguement, I agree
Local fisherman

Waipahu, HI

#3 Dec 29, 2009
Local Culture wrote:
So, an immigrant or immigrant descendant decides to announce suddenly his authority to declare what is important to "local culture and tradition?"
And an immigrant descendent is running the DLNR.

For generations fishermen and fishing families have taken care of places like Kapapa Island. The problems are from non-fishers who go there to just hang out. They're the ones who brought dogs that killed the birds and made a mess of things. Fishers know the value of places like that and thoughtfully pack every last bit of trash out, even opala left by others.

People of Hawaiian ancestry were there standing right alongside Jeanie yesterday, as well as dozens of others. They were protesting the DLNR's mismanagement of a very precious resource shared by thousands of people. This includes the DLNR's re-direction of federal funds that were supposed to be used only for fishing-related programs.

And ironically, it takes an immigrant like Jeanie Li to make locals realize the importance of the Democratic process.
Keith Stephenson

Seattle, WA

#4 Dec 29, 2009
People that do not live in our state have no clue what our cultural life exist of and are quick to throw stones at an immigrant or immigrant descendant, our cultural roots were stomped on by those same people decades ago and still continue. Before passing judgment on the fine people of Hawaii you must first educate yourself about these islands and the people!
Aloha to you on the continental U.S...
sewer rat

Honolulu, HI

#5 Dec 29, 2009
just wondering,

does kapapa have some sort of toilet facility?

if not, are the "overnighters" hauling their sewage off the island also?

dlnr should offer a 2 nite overnighter stay at kapapa gets you 1 nite free in vegas for users who clean up thoroughly and "dig" up all that human fecal matter.

incidentally, cut monofilament, rusted hooks, sinkers can be found on and in the waters around mokukapapa.

fishing rights must be retained, however a permit system will disclose who the responsible overnighters are.

think tank time....could user fees provide a weekly portable sewage pump-out facility to prevent digging 8 " deep holes in the bushes on the island?

happy holidays and hanapa'a to all!

Since: Nov 09

Keauhou, HI

#6 Dec 29, 2009
The legislature should step in on Thielen's renaissance plan B and halt it. She is merely circumventing what they already rejected.
The public comments overwhelmingly opposed the new rules but DLNR under Thielen's leadership steamed full speed ahead. This isn't the first time that rule changes proposed by DLNR were rammed through in spite of overwhelming opposition from the public. This in itself pretty much proves that the meetings that are conducted by DLNR are nothing more than window dressing for decisions that were already made.
Never before has DLNR been under such poor leadership. Thankfully Thielen will be gone when Lingle leaves office.
Stumpy

Kaneohe, HI

#7 Dec 29, 2009
Follow the MONEY. That's what it's all about. Before we know it, we'll be charged a fee to swim in the ocean.
Exres

Wheat Ridge, CO

#8 Dec 29, 2009
Don't you idiots get it? The oceans are in peril because of over fishing. An you don't care, as long as you get yours.

What a bunch of self centered children. Oh the part about 'cultural heritage'? Baloney. Your ancestors didn't use nylon nets, motorized boats, fiberglass fishing rods. Stop using the heritage angle, it's getting old.
bucksfololo

Lahaina, HI

#9 Dec 29, 2009
Make Kaneohe a Hanauma bay . No take zone :)

Since: Aug 08

Kaneohe, HI

#10 Dec 29, 2009
We know that there are at least 3200 freshwater anglers out there.(they bought a fishing licence to go catfishing) When DLNR announced the closing of the catfish season... these 3200 rose up in protest..... and DLNR backed down.

I wonder how many saltwater fisherman there are?
To bad we have no way of knowing. They could be a considerable political force to recon with. Sad.

In a servey 10 years ago.... 1 out of every 3 people in the US went fishing at least once a year. I bet Hawaii has a better average.
Sad, we have no way of knowing. Very sad.
That's a lot of voters.
Aunty Papio

Honolulu, HI

#11 Dec 29, 2009
I understand the local and cultural benefits/value system but a lot of people are taking all instead of taking what they need. Also having no respect of ocean life such as the reefs.
When I was little about 50 years ago, we were taught by our parents that "you take what you need and not to be greedy. Well, look at it now. Fishing is just for fun now because the numbers are done due to greed. We need to go back in the old hawaiian times and have more hawaiian fishponds and maybe the man made one too. I understand that we are in the 21st century but you need to understand the local culture/values and customs. If not, a plane leaves every hour on the hour. Auwe!
Mobetta

Honolulu, HI

#12 Dec 29, 2009
Exres wrote:
Don't you idiots get it? The oceans are in peril because of over fishing. An you don't care, as long as you get yours.
What a bunch of self centered children. Oh the part about 'cultural heritage'? Baloney. Your ancestors didn't use nylon nets, motorized boats, fiberglass fishing rods. Stop using the heritage angle, it's getting old.
Foreign vessels (purse seine) catch millions of pounds of fish around the Hawaiian islands. They then dump tons of fish nets into the ocean that are collected every month in these same areas. US fleets use the longline method. Yet I hear no outcry or action against these foreign countries.
Yet idiots like you blame the weekend warriors for the problem.
That naive notion is getting old.
Uncle Ulua

Honolulu, HI

#13 Dec 29, 2009
You are right Aunty Papio.
MakalapaKahului

Honolulu, HI

#14 Dec 29, 2009
Hawaii will never have a truly great Marine economy as long as the State runs the harbors. What a waste. Look at the harbors in France and California. We really are living in the dark ages with the bureaucrats in charge.
stretch

Aiea, HI

#15 Dec 29, 2009
DLNR's statements below;
"...willing to allow overnight camping if it were part of "a community stewardship partnership."
"...If its proposals are approved, the DLNR says it could generate millions of dollars in new, non-taxpayer revenue to support routine and scheduled repair, maintenance, and improved operations in state parks..."
This community Stewardship partnership seems like a request to monitor and report abuses by the homeless to me. I may be reading between the lines.
Kawailoa

Kailua Kona, HI

#16 Dec 29, 2009
Everyone assumes fishermen only take & never know about what we leave/do for the ecosystem. Fishermen are the first line of alert for lawbreakers, changes in the ecosystem, etc. Very hard to hear we are blamed for the problem when we see massive impacts on the ecosystem through loss of estuaries for our businesses & transportation, silt covered reefs from mountains of dirt washed from ridges where your homes sit, waste from our antiquated sewer systems seeping into the ocean, removal of freshwater for our ag industry lands & on & on. Fishermen know we have an impact & are doing our part. ARE YOU?
local

Honolulu, HI

#17 Dec 29, 2009
Exres wrote:
Don't you idiots get it? The oceans are in peril because of over fishing. An you don't care, as long as you get yours.
What a bunch of self centered children. Oh the part about 'cultural heritage'? Baloney. Your ancestors didn't use nylon nets, motorized boats, fiberglass fishing rods. Stop using the heritage angle, it's getting old.
Hey Exres - learn the issues first from all angles, become involved in the process(es) then open your trap. Until then you're the idiot. The entire world is in peril because of people like you with your pea-sized brains and close-mindedness. Now why don't you turn off your computer and finish eating your wheat grass.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#18 Dec 29, 2009
Kawailoa wrote:
Everyone assumes fishermen only take & never know about what we leave/do for the ecosystem. Fishermen are the first line of alert for lawbreakers, changes in the ecosystem, etc. Very hard to hear we are blamed for the problem when we see massive impacts on the ecosystem through loss of estuaries for our businesses & transportation, silt covered reefs from mountains of dirt washed from ridges where your homes sit, waste from our antiquated sewer systems seeping into the ocean, removal of freshwater for our ag industry lands & on & on. Fishermen know we have an impact & are doing our part. ARE YOU?
Net layers are fishermen as well. Seems many of them aren't willing to follow the law, even as far as marking their nets let alone actually checking them in a legal fashion. Those things wipe out near shore fish and are indiscriminate about it.

Yes, fishermen maybe the first line of defense. But I don't see them using their "authority" on a consistent basis unless it affects them personally.
local

Honolulu, HI

#19 Dec 29, 2009
Local Culture wrote:
"This is really important to local culture and tradition," said Jeanie Li, an organizer of the demonstration.
So, an immigrant or immigrant descendant decides to announce suddenly his authority to declare what is important to "local culture and tradition?"
With the economy sinking and users of these resources essentially getting a free ride or largely subsidized ride, these fishermen and boaters don't want to pay their share.
They should consider the many who do not use or consume these community resources who at this point are stuck having to subsidize their disproportionate use of such resources.
Pay your way, freeloader.
Its obvious in this situation an "immigrant" knows more than you. And for the most part fishermen and boaters are willing to pay their fair share. After years of fiscal neglect, failure to listen to recommendations and now trying to shove current proposals down everyones throat... thats not fair. so Sad braddha.. so sad..
Hilo boy

Keaau, HI

#20 Dec 29, 2009
Exres wrote:
Don't you idiots get it? The oceans are in peril because of over fishing. An you don't care, as long as you get yours.
What a bunch of self centered children. Oh the part about 'cultural heritage'? Baloney. Your ancestors didn't use nylon nets, motorized boats, fiberglass fishing rods. Stop using the heritage angle, it's getting old.
More hippe BS from CO. What got no ocean but you know it all.

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