Tourism in a tizzy as arrivals fall

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Promotions designed to keep business hot during the summer are on the rise STORY SUMMARY Hawaii's airline-dependent visitor industry was already struggling with rising fuel costs in March when two high- profile ...

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Jim Campbell

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Apr 29, 2008
 
We need to establish Hawaii as a "good value" desitination. For too long, we have been viewed as "pricey" by the travelling public from anywhere other than the West Coast Mainland when flights were cheap. Now, as consumers are increasingly pressuring for value, we need to re-position ourselves. To be honest, I don't think this is a short term matter, and must extend for years to come.

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Jim Campbell wrote:
We need to establish Hawaii as a "good value" desitination. For too long, we have been viewed as "pricey" by the travelling public from anywhere other than the West Coast Mainland when flights were cheap. Now, as consumers are increasingly pressuring for value, we need to re-position ourselves. To be honest, I don't think this is a short term matter, and must extend for years to come.
Good point.

Unfortunately, making Hawai'i "affordable" would hurt the "traditional" tourist hotels, transportation and attractions. You and I can fly "home" and stay with family. We eat local and probably not going do the tourist thing.

But the typical tourist is the bread and butter of the Hawai'i tourist industry and they are going to be charged a premium, especially now with gas and food prices going up and up.

I believe airfares have to go down and more people will fly to Hawai'i. I know that is almost impossible because of fuel prices but today Shell reported a $25 billion profit. Nuff said.
lopaka

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Apr 29, 2008
 
I live on the West Coast and travel to Hawaii once a year for vacation. This may be the first time in years that I don't make it back and am looking at other options. This is true for many of my friends and co-workers who all feel the same way. We aren't going to pay hundreds of dollars more to go to Hawaii than we have in the past and we are starting to look at alternatives like cruises and other mainland locations to spend our vacation dollars.
Peter

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Apr 29, 2008
 
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES.
The US$ is at its weakest for many years and for 700 million Europeans the US represents a tremendous travel bargain but Hawaii is rarely promoted in Europe. I have seen press and TV ads for numerous US destinations but as usual none for Hawaii, there is the occasional reference in a press trip. Some 4 million Brits will visit the US this year but nobody is inviting them to travel onwards to The Islands.
Peter
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Cat Manapua

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Didn't you guys hear our Governor's speech? We are not going to be dependent on tourism and real estate! No way. We are a diversified economy.

Ms. Lingle said our economy is in great shape. Why don't you people understand that?
VFW

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Cat Manapua wrote:
Didn't you guys hear our Governor's speech? We are not going to be dependent on tourism and real estate! No way. We are a diversified economy.
Ms. Lingle said our economy is in great shape. Why don't you people understand that?
Well, what else is there? Besides tourism and federal/military spending, the only thing I can think of is ocean-related industry, like aquaculture. But I'm sure the local envoronmentalists will kill that approach, or at least make it unfeasible.
Chris

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Apr 29, 2008
 
After the fact, its always easy to see a turning point. At the time however, people are always quick to deny. Airplane tourism upon which Hawaii has based its economy since the early 60s is on a permanent downhill slope. As fundamental as the development of the Boeing 707 was to the growth of Hawaiian tourism so is the never ending increase in jet fuel prices to its decline. Will the people of Hawaii demand some basic change from their represenatives to accomodate the new economic reality? Not on your life.
karma

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Apr 29, 2008
 
so nice to be able to park my car, less tourists the better!!!
poor tourist industry is having a hard time exploiting hawaii now, so sad

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Apr 29, 2008
 
karma wrote:
so nice to be able to park my car, less tourists the better!!!
poor tourist industry is having a hard time exploiting hawaii now, so sad
I understand your point but what about the local people employed in the tourist industry?
glenn paul

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Apr 29, 2008
 
this has been coming on for the last couple of years. we have been to the islands, all 5 major islands 4 times. we have been priced out of the hawaiian market by hotel, tours, and everything high prices. also, hawaiis almost 100% smoking ban has to be playing a part on the drop in tourism. i wrote governor lingle about these so they could be addressed before it was too late. she wasnt the least bit interested so tourist...come to the beautiful finger lakes in ny. we would love to have you here.
LAXHNL AGENT

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Apr 29, 2008
 
High Hotel prices...
Now $25 for a second check bag. Bought too many goodies???$80 for overweight bags...
Airlines now highly suggesting trip insurance just incase.
Booking Hawaii has gone from fun to horrific.
Kimo

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Why doesn't the author of this doom and gloom light her hair on fire and jump from the First Hawaiian Bank Tower as an offering to the Tourist Gods?
Good grief, what a crock of crap!
Kimo

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Apr 29, 2008
 
glenn paul wrote:
this has been coming on for the last couple of years. we have been to the islands, all 5 major islands 4 times. we have been priced out of the hawaiian market by hotel, tours, and everything high prices. also, hawaiis almost 100% smoking ban has to be playing a part on the drop in tourism. i wrote governor lingle about these so they could be addressed before it was too late. she wasnt the least bit interested so tourist...come to the beautiful finger lakes in ny. we would love to have you here.
There is no "Hawaiian" market!..and, very few Hawaiians live here--because evil greedy haoles drove them from their lands!
Plizdas - Merced CA

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Airlines becoming a thing of the past? So bring back the Lurline! Or newer version of the classic liner...What fun it would to travel in style to the islands, just as my family did in the way back. Of course it would mean that our life-style might have to change a bit, but would that be a bad thing?
BTW - Go to the website for any airline which serves both Hawaii & East Coast destinations,from, say, SFO or LAX. Airfare for SFO - NYC is about, on the average, half of what SFO-HNL costs. About the same distance in both cases, so same amount of fuel burned per passenger. So if fuel is overriding factor in airlines operating costs, how can such a price differential remain? Aren't Hawaii-bound passengers in effect subsidizing those on other routes of similar distance? That, pardon the expression, sucks.
OMGWTF

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Cat Manapua wrote:
Didn't you guys hear our Governor's speech? We are not going to be dependent on tourism and real estate! No way. We are a diversified economy.
Ms. Lingle said our economy is in great shape. Why don't you people understand that?
ha ha; what diversified economy? there is no other thing hawaii can depend on if tourism and military go away.
AintGoinBack

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Peter wrote:
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES.
Some 4 million Brits will visit the US this year but nobody is inviting them to travel onwards to The Islands.
Hi, Peter. I was at New York's JFK airport yesterday. I think I found just about all of them! New York is going to look like London this week. They all seemed ready to have a ball!

If there's any plans on your end of overthrowing the colonies, your men are in position. Caught us napping again. Damn, you're good!
willie

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Apr 29, 2008
 
On the plus side when tourism dies look at all the vacant rooms the new homeless and unemployed will have to live in.
willie

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Plizdas - Merced CA wrote:
Airlines becoming a thing of the past? So bring back the Lurline! Or newer version of the classic liner...What fun it would to travel in style to the islands, just as my family did in the way back. Of course it would mean that our life-style might have to change a bit, but would that be a bad thing?
BTW - Go to the website for any airline which serves both Hawaii & East Coast destinations,from, say, SFO or LAX. Airfare for SFO - NYC is about, on the average, half of what SFO-HNL costs. About the same distance in both cases, so same amount of fuel burned per passenger. So if fuel is overriding factor in airlines operating costs, how can such a price differential remain? Aren't Hawaii-bound passengers in effect subsidizing those on other routes of similar distance? That, pardon the expression, sucks.
And jet fuel costs how much in Hawaii vs NYC? All those planes flying into HNL need to refuel to get back.

Also how many carriers serve NYC from LAX or SFO and how many serve HNL?

Guess if you think NYC flights are a bargain that is hwere you will be taking your next vacation eh?

Fuel costs are one factor in setting a price...just one.
Oki

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Apr 29, 2008
 
Plizdas - Merced CA wrote:
BTW - Go to the website for any airline which serves both Hawaii & East Coast destinations,from, say, SFO or LAX. Airfare for SFO - NYC is about, on the average, half of what SFO-HNL costs. About the same distance in both cases, so same amount of fuel burned per passenger. So if fuel is overriding factor in airlines operating costs, how can such a price differential remain? Aren't Hawaii-bound passengers in effect subsidizing those on other routes of similar distance? That, pardon the expression, sucks.
Too oversimplified. Flights to Hawaii are only two tier classes, with a much smaller configured first class section. This is made possible because the domestic airplanes to Hawaii need to be ETOPS certified (flying over extended oceans). Such certification requires the airlines to pay a lot more money in maintenance and training. In contrast, a SFO-NYC and the like flights are three tiers because the demand exists -- executives who travel between the two big cities. Finally, even the coach seats are treated differently. Mainland flights between large cities have a much larger percentage of unrestricted coach seats purchased by companies who send their lower level employees around. The Hawaii market is nothing like that at all. Nearly all the seats are restricted discounted fares. The airlines make very little money from passengers in the Hawaii market. In fact, they need to push cargo around just to break even, but the concentration of flights in core west coast cities such as LA limit the opportunities.
Marianne Moore

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Apr 29, 2008
 
My husband and I have been visiting Hawaii every year or two for about 17 yrs now. We love it, but, at ages 65 and 68, we will not be coming back very often, if at all. I'm retired and he's semi-retired, and with the cost of airfare, gas, food, etc going up and up, it is just becoming unaffordable. My point is that we are "pre-baby-boomers," being born in 1940 and 1943. When the true baby-boomers, those born after WW II retire, this will become more of a problem, especially with the American economy falling apart so rapidly. I think Hawaii's visitor industry may be in for a hard time, especially with the value of the dollar going down rapidly. Good luck and much Aloa to you.

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