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Man cleared of charges after being found insane - Hawaii News

There are 38 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Dec 30, 2009, titled Man cleared of charges after being found insane - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

A state judge acquitted by reason of insanity yesterday a man charged with attempted murder for trying to throw a security guard off the 26th floor of a University Avenue high-rise apartment building last year.

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allfedup

Kihei, HI

#1 Dec 30, 2009
he moved here for the weather.....this guy is really INSANE......but why is he so upset????i guess the welfare turned him down...
Ya Guessed It

Honolulu, HI

#2 Dec 30, 2009
Everyone will be safe at the State Hospitol now, cause there ain't no security guard there to be assaulted! And the President of Iran escaped last week. Thanks Governor Lingle.

Since: Sep 08

Honolulu

#3 Dec 30, 2009
He ain't homeless any more thanks to the generosity of the Hawaii udicial system,

Since: Nov 09

Kula, HI

#4 Dec 30, 2009
In 6 months he will suddenly become sane again and released.
The American Way

Coaldale, Canada

#5 Dec 30, 2009
KAzman wrote:
He ain't homeless any more thanks to the generosity of the Hawaii udicial system,
I see. It's the judicial system that wrote the law allowing sick people to go to a hospital instead of a prison. And here I thought that was the legislature.
Wasted

United States

#6 Dec 30, 2009
he came here for the weather...send him back where he came from or bill the state where he was last registered as a resident or indigent. a survey of the homeless will find a significant number of losers who did the same. one wonders who provided the ticket for them to come here? if they were homeless or down on their luck where they came from someone had to have fronted them the ticket. the social services system of their home state perhaps?
AWP

Ewa Beach, HI

#7 Dec 30, 2009
I was there when this incident occurred and live in the condo as well. The homeless people are camping out behind the community garden and they feel it belongs to them and use intimidation as a method "stay out". The guy probably walked to AWP psychotic (appeared) and tailgated in the so called "secure" complex...no it's not. Poor John has PTSD now but he was intimidating also and not approachable. The homeless feels entitled and I really starting to hate that word. We all have choices and they chose to live on the street and milk the system until they burn their bridges and move elsewhere.
Realist

Waianae, HI

#8 Dec 30, 2009
Wow
Say Goodbye

Washington, DC

#9 Dec 30, 2009
"Circuit Judge Richard Pollack also committed Joyce to the custody of the state health director at the Hawaii State Hospital."

Well, okay, now the guy can just walk away from incarceration. They still haven't caught that child molester that climbed over the fence at the hospital a couple months ago. All he's gotta do is walk out, and they won't be able to find him. Lucky us!
waimea jim

United States

#10 Dec 30, 2009
The State should pass a law stating that a person is found mentally unfit in other States, it would be the State's that found him mentally unfit, to require them to be responsible for their incarceration, and be that persons caretakers for life.
The State needs a way to keep these mentally unfit people from being deposited here like an old, used, soda can from other States.
Wake Up

San Diego, CA

#11 Dec 30, 2009
send him back where he came from.
waimea jim

United States

#12 Dec 30, 2009
The State should pass a law stating that a person is found mentally unfit in other States, it would be the State's that found him mentally unfit, to require them to be responsible for their incarceration, and be that persons caretakers for life.
I don't believe a persons right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness includes hurting other people in that pursuit.
The State needs a way to keep these mentally unfit people from being deposited here like an old, used, soda can from other States.
Likewise, if he is found insane here, the State should confine him to the crazy house for the rest of his life with no review of his insanity. That way we would keep these crazies off the street where they become homeless, apply for welfare and get turned down, and attack people.
The benefits that they receive from Social Security would go to deferring the costs of their care. After all, what do they need money for if they are nuts.
The judges/jury in cases like these should never be allowed to declare a person not guilty by reason of insanity, they should judge the act first, then declare the person sane or insane. This would prevent the double jeopardy rule of the U.S. Constituion from being violated and a person could be sent to prison if he is declared sane after spending time in the crazy house.
The truth does not care if a person is sane or insane, but rather if he committed the crime or not. The court system in the U.S. is about finding the truth, not whether or not they are insane.
Justice is blind, but lets keep the crazies off the street.
waimea jim

United States

#13 Dec 30, 2009
AWP wrote:
I was there when this incident occurred and live in the condo as well. The homeless people are camping out behind the community garden and they feel it belongs to them and use intimidation as a method "stay out". The guy probably walked to AWP psychotic (appeared) and tailgated in the so called "secure" complex...no it's not. Poor John has PTSD now but he was intimidating also and not approachable. The homeless feels entitled and I really starting to hate that word. We all have choices and they chose to live on the street and milk the system until they burn their bridges and move elsewhere.
That just goes to show that if you live in a secure building, that you should never, ever let someone tailgate you into the building, especially if you don't know them, or they look suspicious.
Stumpy

Honolulu, HI

#14 Dec 30, 2009
A guy I know well was released from prison a few years ago, and I offered to get him a job. He said, "No, I can't work because I've got to convince them I'm crazy, so I talk to myself and tell them I hear voices and stuff. That way they'll keep payin me." That was almost three years ago, he's been arrested at least four times that I know of, but the courts won't lock him up. Hawaii is a great place to be a criminal, the liberals jusr don't get it.
Xie Xie

Las Vegas, NV

#15 Dec 30, 2009
Hawaii should have a law that clarifies "guilty but mentally insane." Treat the insanity and when the person is deemed sane he/she starts serving their prison term.
Stumpy

Honolulu, HI

#16 Dec 30, 2009
Xie Xie wrote:
Hawaii should have a law that clarifies "guilty but mentally insane." Treat the insanity and when the person is deemed sane he/she starts serving their prison term.
If you're deemed insane then you should have different color cell walls, but that's it.
waimea jim

United States

#17 Dec 30, 2009
Stumpy wrote:
<quoted text> If you're deemed insane then you should have different color cell walls, but that's it.
All right, fluorescent pink, neon yellow, fluorescent orange, ultra violet and fuschia. One color for each wall, that should really drive them nuts.
Greatwall

Honolulu, HI

#18 Dec 30, 2009
If i had my way I'd execute this animal. But of course that will never fly in the courts of any so called "civilized" society. He'll be locked up for a few years than become sane and commit more crimes when he's let out or escapes.
The American Way

Calgary, Canada

#19 Dec 30, 2009
How is it his fault what happened if he's insane? How is it fair to punish him for something he had no control over? Why lock him up forever if he could be cured?

If a bus driver has a heart attack and kills passengers and pedestrians, everyone agrees it's a tragedy and wishes the bus driver a full and speedy recovery. When the illness is mental, we get this kind of witch hunt.
kalena

Honolulu, HI

#20 Dec 30, 2009
I knew someone like him. He molested a girl and got eight years in the state psych ward. He did two because they were overcrowded and then died on the streets because his parents had died too. Raw vegan diets are supposed to help quite a bit but they are experimental...

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