Ban won't solve homeless problem - Ed...

Ban won't solve homeless problem - Editorials

There are 50 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Feb 16, 2009, titled Ban won't solve homeless problem - Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

CITY Council Chairman Todd Apo can be forgiven if he engages in a bit of schadenfreude, now that homelessness once concentrated in his district has migrated to the heart of Oahu's tourism zone.

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Big J-Hawaii Kai

United States

#1 Feb 16, 2009
The taxpayers of this State have spent millions in their attempts to help the homeless with shelter, counseling, and much more. Churches have fed and clothed them. It's about time to "close ranks" on those who chose to reside in our parks rather than take advantage of our generous offers of shelter and such. For the able bodied homeless, put them to work cleaning up the parks and such, as a condition to receiving any type or form of welfare. Let's start making them "pay their way," one way or the other.
life is not easy

Kapaau, HI

#2 Feb 16, 2009
It is true that closing the parks to the homeless won't solve the problem but it just might nudge a few of them towards a more productive life. There is no reason to make it easy to be homeless, make it difficult so the idea of work becomes more attractive.
Clearly allowing them to live in the parks forever isn't going to solve the problem. It will only encourage more to come. Let them take the train back to Todd Apo's neighborhood, after all he sent them to town.
Goofy Handyman

AOL

#3 Feb 16, 2009
You're right - banning sleeping in Kapiolani Park won't solve the homeless problem. In fact, not much of anything will solve the homeless problem. People have been trying all kinds of solutions and spending all kinds of money for years and years - and we still have the homeless. If the editorial writers have any brilliant solutions that will actually work then we'd all like to hear them. In the meantime a sleeping ban might solve the more immediate problem which is reclaiming the park for all the other people who want to use it. Another dopey bleeding heart editorial doesn't do much to solve anything.
alohajoedude

Charlotte, NC

#4 Feb 16, 2009
Umm...maybe the Cost of Living is jus' too dayum high?

Dey can't even afford a plane tix to move?

Maybe, it's the "Price of Paradise?"

They're people too, just like u, but they couldn't afford to "buy" their job, like u did...
Glenn Paul

Johnson City, NY

#5 Feb 16, 2009
Big J-Hawaii Kai wrote:
The taxpayers of this State have spent millions in their attempts to help the homeless with shelter, counseling, and much more. Churches have fed and clothed them. It's about time to "close ranks" on those who chose to reside in our parks rather than take advantage of our generous offers of shelter and such. For the able bodied homeless, put them to work cleaning up the parks and such, as a condition to receiving any type or form of welfare. Let's start making them "pay their way," one way or the other.
Big J., Someone once mentioned that some people hoping for a good life, buy a one way ticket to hawaii and then can't get back to where they came from. I personally know one such person. Homeless. Maybe Tahiti has the right solution. You cannot visit Tahiti without having a return ticket to where you came from. Aloha
ex tourism

AOL

#6 Feb 16, 2009
The homeless problem MUST be solved. We need
the revenue provided by vistors and the way Waikiki is now, between prostitutes, homeless and pimps, the visitors are not coming. This is resulting injob losses (i am one of them, I lost my job 1 month ago) and will result in more homeless. I could have been one but I find a job
and I am determine to hang on to it.

Some of homeless come to our hotel, used toilets and then approach tourists for money or cigarettes.

In talking with some of them, I discovered the many are not even from Hawaii but came over just to be 'homeless in Hawaii'.

But the damage that they have already done to our tourism industry is enormous. The word that Hawaii is now a cesspit (litterally) is out and it will take a decade to recover.
alice

Kapolei, HI

#7 Feb 16, 2009
The homeless and pit bulls should be banned to the Leeward coast.
arm

Tacoma, WA

#8 Feb 16, 2009
wages are too low to survive...i believe hawaii has the highest amount of people working multiple jobs that are one paycheck away from catastrophe of any state...i know homeless that will get arrested to have a meal and shower...what a waste of money...it's cheaper to give these people the money straight out or through social programs than criminalize them...
reduce poverty...build affordable housing...diversify the economy...increase wages...etc..
Felipe

Honolulu, HI

#9 Feb 16, 2009
Crazy people are allowed to roam around and dirty the environment. We should have laws banning homelessness. Get them arrested and then if determined to be capable of working, give them jobs and subsidized housing. The ones that are mentally incapacitated should remain in the hospital until they get totally cured and can be able to work. Anybody can fake insanity, but not sanity. It is hard to arrest dirty people with possible disease and it is a dirty job, but with the proper and specialized training of personnel, it is not hard to do.
troubling times

Kaneohe, HI

#10 Feb 16, 2009
arm wrote:
wages are too low to survive...i believe hawaii has the highest amount of people working multiple jobs that are one paycheck away from catastrophe of any state...i know homeless that will get arrested to have a meal and shower...what a waste of money...it's cheaper to give these people the money straight out or through social programs than criminalize them...
reduce poverty...build affordable housing...diversify the economy...increase wages...etc..
Arm, I shouldn't have to explain this to you but Oahu has many shelters and churches that will help the homeless. If cash is given to them many will go straight to the store and purchase liquior or cigarettes or even better illegal drugs. Food comes second. Affordable housing turnes into slums making the area unsafe and most will not show up for work if given a job. It is a life style that many choose. I know I volunteer to help many of them.
Kim

Honolulu, HI

#11 Feb 16, 2009
alice wrote:
The homeless and pit bulls should be banned to the Leeward coast.
You know Alice you should try doing what some of the working homeless do. Even working 2 jobs some of them are not able to find a place they can rent or buy. And you should take care of your own opala instead of sending them to the Leeward Coast when at one time no one even considered coming to the Leeward Coast. Then the community was better off with people who wanted to live here...not the dregs from Honolulu being forced to move out here when you got tired of your own problems.
Tita Nanakuli

Ewa Beach, HI

#12 Feb 16, 2009
Again thats all due to the dum judge & drugs too Aloha.
The Blame Game

Honolulu, HI

#13 Feb 16, 2009
The city has failed miserably in its responsibility to care for the homeless. Mayor Mufi in particular has shirked his duty to find solutions to address the homeless problem, instead handing off the problem to the state. Mayors on the neighbor islands are taking steps to help the homeless get off the streets. But that's not the case on Oahu, and the problem has festered. Fortunately, the state working with the community, has taken the lead in addressing the homeless problem, building shelters, providing programs to help people turn their lives around. There's much more work to do, but at least the actions by the state have helped to ease the problem, while Mayor Mufi continues to shirk his responsibility.
ranttoday

San Diego, CA

#14 Feb 16, 2009
Glenn Paul wrote:
<quoted text>Big J., Someone once mentioned that some people hoping for a good life, buy a one way ticket to hawaii and then can't get back to where they came from. I personally know one such person. Homeless. Maybe Tahiti has the right solution. You cannot visit Tahiti without having a return ticket to where you came from. Aloha
you restrain citizens from travel in the United States

and Hawaii gets far more from the federal pork barrel then it gives out

and most of the homelessness in Hawaii emanates from a local culture of low expectations, blaming the haoles, drinking to much budweiser, hitting the crack pipe, and scrapping and violence that makes its way onto the women and children

don't point the fingers anywhere else
Fred

Mililani, HI

#15 Feb 16, 2009
For this editorial to imply that officials "continue to put off dealing with" homelessness or have "postponed finding solutions to the 'problem'"is not only wrong, it's insultingly misleading. In fact, officials, homeless service providers, some churches and others are "dealing" with it every day. That's why some homeless are now living in shelters from Kakaako to Waianae...3 years ago, that wasn't the case. It's not true that the homeless have been "shuttling from place to place."
This piece is not well thought out...and the penultimate sentence should read "...none of which IS easily resolved."
This piece is weak...start to finsih.
ranttoday

San Diego, CA

#16 Feb 16, 2009
Felipe wrote:
Crazy people are allowed to roam around and dirty the environment. We should have laws banning homelessness. Get them arrested and then if determined to be capable of working, give them jobs and subsidized housing. The ones that are mentally incapacitated should remain in the hospital until they get totally cured and can be able to work. Anybody can fake insanity, but not sanity. It is hard to arrest dirty people with possible disease and it is a dirty job, but with the proper and specialized training of personnel, it is not hard to do.
and I suppose we will put you in charge of the Uselessness Concentration Camps

pathetic the way some people (you) think
Tom

Mililani, HI

#17 Feb 16, 2009
The state only got its homeless act together after Mayor Mufi took the first step to close Ala Moana Park at night. The Lingle-Aiona administration didn't budge until 2006...4 years into its term and only after Mayor Mufi lit a fire underneath it and woke it up. Besides, it should be the state that addresses homelessness with its Division of Adult Mental Health, its Department of Human Services, its Housing and Community Development department. Mayor Mufi and The City are working to clean and improve City Parks, while the Lingle-Aiona administration is looking to close State Parks. The State must do more to address the issue on all islands, and all mayors agree.
ranttoday

San Diego, CA

#18 Feb 16, 2009
Tom wrote:
The state only got its homeless act together after Mayor Mufi took the first step to close Ala Moana Park at night. The Lingle-Aiona administration didn't budge until 2006...4 years into its term and only after Mayor Mufi lit a fire underneath it and woke it up. Besides, it should be the state that addresses homelessness with its Division of Adult Mental Health, its Department of Human Services, its Housing and Community Development department. Mayor Mufi and The City are working to clean and improve City Parks, while the Lingle-Aiona administration is looking to close State Parks. The State must do more to address the issue on all islands, and all mayors agree.
your post is a joke Tom --- nobody really wants to read somebody touting their politician

save it for the campaign season --- that is when the parks are closed, cleaned, and the make-work projects turn up

Tom --- go ask the Mayor why we got a million dollar grafiti-covered non-working bathroom hidden on the back side of the Kapolei park?
Glenn Paul

Johnson City, NY

#19 Feb 16, 2009
ranttoday wrote:
<quoted text>
you restrain citizens from travel in the United States
and Hawaii gets far more from the federal pork barrel then it gives out
and most of the homelessness in Hawaii emanates from a local culture of low expectations, blaming the haoles, drinking to much budweiser, hitting the crack pipe, and scrapping and violence that makes its way onto the women and children
don't point the fingers anywhere else
ranttoday., you missed my point. People know whether they can afford to move. I personally think we have l;ost all knowing of personal responsibility. I would love to move to Molokai, However, I know we cannot afford to. So..we are very happy here in the beautiful finger lakes region of central NY.
ranttoday

San Diego, CA

#20 Feb 16, 2009
Glenn Paul wrote:
<quoted text>ranttoday., you missed my point. People know whether they can afford to move. I personally think we have l;ost all knowing of personal responsibility. I would love to move to Molokai, However, I know we cannot afford to. So..we are very happy here in the beautiful finger lakes region of central NY.
ok, I agree with you that we have some arrivals that are poorly planned interstate migration or homeless migration --- I think those numbers are small compared to our own mishaps, misfits, and a growing number that are just falling out of their own poorly planned finances

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