Crime in Hawaii: Safest Cities?
Marauder

Maunaloa, HI

#22 Jan 5, 2008
Aloha717200 wrote:
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The culture of Hawaii is different than the mainland. Basically what I'm trying to do is figure out what to truly expect when we arrive. I can read all I want in books, but often the best info comes from residents.
I've heard a lot about a sense of distrust towards white people existing in Hawaii. What I don't know is just how extensive that problem really is. If there is a widespread belief that white people only come to hawaii to take advantage of the islands and care nothing for the people or culture, then it's important to us to let people know that we aren't like that.
Maybe this comes about from reading too many reports of "go home haole" being shouted at some new residents. Makes us a little bit nervous, which is why I'm trying to find out the whole story.
Sorry for any confusion,
Brandon
Embrace the culture, don't come on like you know it all, don't make comparisons with the mainland, and treat others as you would want to be treated. Some golden rules that are pretty universal. Kris Kristoferson (sp?) and his family have been embraced by the Hana community and made a successful transition to rural life. There have been some transplants in Molokai who have been demanding and rude to store clerks because their favorite brand of brie wasn't in stock. I'm sure you get the message. Give respect to get respect.

Since: Jan 08

Pocatello, ID

#23 Jan 5, 2008
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>You're going to spend about $1000 to ship your car to Hawaii. Maui Crimestoppers effectiveness? We live on an island so I'm sure Larry gets a lot of calls whenever a photo goes out. You can call him and ask how the program is going. On the average, there's one stolen car a day.
First name basis eh, nice.:D

I could spend $1,000 to ship my car, or spend $2-4,000 for a new one on the island. Haven't quite decided yet which is more cost effective.

Since: Jan 08

Pocatello, ID

#24 Jan 5, 2008
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>Embrace the culture, don't come on like you know it all, don't make comparisons with the mainland, and treat others as you would want to be treated. Some golden rules that are pretty universal. Kris Kristoferson (sp?) and his family have been embraced by the Hana community and made a successful transition to rural life. There have been some transplants in Molokai who have been demanding and rude to store clerks because their favorite brand of brie wasn't in stock. I'm sure you get the message. Give respect to get respect.
Hopefully we won't have problems then. I try to treat others the way I'd like to be treated, and love to talk to new people. Over here sometimes my eagerness to be friendly with people catches others off guard.

My wife gets along with just about anybody from all walks of life.

I can get very passionate when it comes to political issues and conservation, but I've also learned to pick my battles over the years.

It already looks like some are fighting for better medical care on Maui, as I was reading today in the Maui news. Does joining a cause to improve quality of life come across as "meddling"? If I were on Maui right now I'd probably join that fight, and others that would seek to improve the overall quality of life for the residents.

Brandon

Since: Jan 08

Pocatello, ID

#25 Jan 5, 2008
beautiful_hawaii wrote:
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I've lived on Oahu almost all my life, including in "public housing" and in areas where certain people (hate to say this but mostly whites) consider undesirable. Yes, to many whites (haoles), getting acclimated here can be a challenge because they're no longer a dominant race and the various cultures are in stark contrast to what they're used to or believe in. If you can't or are unwilling to accept a multi-cultural environment, then don't come. If you can get over seeing everything from a "white person's perspective", then you will find Hawaii to be the most beautiful place on earth full of warm, kind, and generous people. Probably the one's that tell you about distrust and "go home haoles" are the one's that brought their arrogance and "white prejudices" with them.
Mahalo for the perspective. I enjoy diversity, it makes for great conversation and learning about other people and their cultures.

My wife has had less of a chance to get out into the world but she's as laid back as me when it comes to that.
COP-PER

Honolulu, HI

#26 Jan 5, 2008
i did not mean to disrespect people like "beautiful_hawaii", and i'm sure that person knew that. majority of people who live in "housing" are nice... its the handful of low lifes that sustain the ugly reputation. as i mentioned earlier, use common sense, common courtesy, have empathy and you'll do just fine.

oh one last thing... a lot of drivers here don't understand that the left lane is for passing. you'll see some of the worst drivers in the country, here in hawaii. i'm letting you know before you have the chance to raise the question. and like any other large city, if you work in the city and the further out you live, the worse the commute will be.

come, be my neighbor...

Since: Jan 08

Pocatello, ID

#28 Jan 6, 2008
COP-PER wrote:
i did not mean to disrespect people like "beautiful_hawaii", and i'm sure that person knew that. majority of people who live in "housing" are nice... its the handful of low lifes that sustain the ugly reputation. as i mentioned earlier, use common sense, common courtesy, have empathy and you'll do just fine.
oh one last thing... a lot of drivers here don't understand that the left lane is for passing. you'll see some of the worst drivers in the country, here in hawaii. i'm letting you know before you have the chance to raise the question. and like any other large city, if you work in the city and the further out you live, the worse the commute will be.
come, be my neighbor...
Thank you for the very kind words.

One last thing, I heard from a friend a long time ago that Waimanalo was a bad area of Oahu. Is that really the case?
Be cool to all

Mililani, HI

#29 Jan 6, 2008
Nalo is cool if you are. Don't expect a warm welcome straight away, however. Years of culture clashes (remember, the land you walk on here in Hawai'i, even the paved land, still has significance to many natives,) and countless situations between the haves and have nots have created a social dynamic ripe with distrust on both sides.
The golden rule applies heavily, but even that sometimes doesn't work...anywhere (on this entire planet.) Don't take it personally and just try to remember and act from the good of your soul, despite what you encounter.
Enjoy your life here...and please don't tailgate me on the non free way roads, as you will be brake-checked. On the freeways, many times it's kill or be killed, but on roads with many pedestrians around...the speed limit seems fine.
Plus, the left lane is deemed the fast lane, but remember, it isn't deemed the autobahn.
Be cool to all

Mililani, HI

#30 Jan 6, 2008
Enjoy your life here!:)
OnYourOwn

Honolulu, HI

#31 Jan 16, 2008
Aloha717200 wrote:
P.S. Has anyone on the board been a victim of property crime? If so, how helpful was local law enforcement? Were you able to prevent it in the future?
Mahalo plenty,
Brandon and Katie
Bought a new/used house... Previous owner mentioned to keep the gates locked, especially at night. Had someone exploring my yard at 2:30 am... The pitt's let me know the first time... The second time, seems the guy tried pushing past the pitts as they were letting me know he was there... The third time, I guess the male Pitt was backed up to the front door... He expressed himself on the fellow and all hell broke loose at my front door... We don't have anymore late night visitors wandering our yard... The police can take a report, that's about it... One fellow didn't even want to do that, I had to insist.

Bottom line... Your on your own... Put dogs in the yard even as noise makers... They act as a deterrent.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#32 Jan 16, 2008
HPD is very lazy and inept and it shows in the unsolved crime stats. We need a real police chief and some leadership for the Mufster.
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#33 Jan 16, 2008
Honolulu alone had about 20,000 property crimes in 2007. That's one of the very worst rates in the entire country for cities over 100,000 people. More property crimes than Oakland!

On the other hand, violent crime rates here are not so bad.
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#34 Jan 16, 2008
Aloha717200 wrote:
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I can get very passionate when it comes to political issues and conservation.....
Great! Exactly what Hawaii needs! More newcomers with passionate political and conservation views! Be sure to impose them on the locals, they love it!
OmomoME

Mililani, HI

#35 Jan 16, 2008
Safest Cities???

Hawaii has "NO" safe cities. Especially on OAHU! Boy, theres a place for a whole bunch of nut jobs! ;-)

Here it comes!(LOL)
MauiDrummer

Honolulu, HI

#37 Jan 16, 2008
And I would say that Wailea, Maui is probably the safest city in Hawaii. Because every neighborhood has a huge gate and they employ their own security force that constantly patrols the streets.

Of course, you can't buy anything in Wailea for less than $2 million.
MauiDrummer

Honolulu, HI

#36 Jan 16, 2008
Nothing will enrage locals/kamaaina faster than saying "Well, in California we did it this way...".

Aloha717200, you MUST remember that if you do in fact move here, you will be just one of a string of thousands of haoles who have migrated to the islands over the years with big ideas about "helping" out here. And one by one, those people learned the inevitable truth - this is a banana republic, and it will always be.

Nobody will take you seriously if you aren't an established resident. That's a hard lesson to learn, particularly if you have only good intentions.

Locals have learned not to befriend or trust any newcomer that hasn't been here for at least 10 years. Because people come and go so frequently, it doesn't make sense to waste time getting to know someone if they're only going to move back to the mainland in 3 months.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#38 Jan 16, 2008
Nalo is nothing to be proud of and it is time for "locals" to face what they are. Enough excuse making and fanciful accoutns of Hawaiian history. Take responsibility and do what the immigrants here did: get to work and take responsibility!
Marauder

Kahului, HI

#39 Jan 16, 2008
alice wrote:
HPD is very lazy and inept and it shows in the unsolved crime stats. We need a real police chief and some leadership for the Mufster.
Care to qualify your statement with FACTS? What is the clearance rate and how many unsolved murders are there? Put some of your "co-ed" talents to work. Oh yeah, I forgot, you said you're now a UH prof.
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#40 Jan 16, 2008
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>Care to qualify your statement with FACTS? What is the clearance rate and how many unsolved murders are there? Put some of your "co-ed" talents to work. Oh yeah, I forgot, you said you're now a UH prof.
I offer the following from the State Attorney general's website. It's 2004 but you get the drift...

"Based on the proportion of arrests (plus cases closed by "exceptional means") to reported offenses, the total clearance rate for reported Index Crimes remained at 11.5% in 2004, its second lowest level on record."

I think we once reached a 15% solved crime rate but I can't prove it.

Pitiful.
Marauder

Kahului, HI

#41 Jan 16, 2008
Cat Manapua wrote:
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I offer the following from the State Attorney general's website. It's 2004 but you get the drift...
"Based on the proportion of arrests (plus cases closed by "exceptional means") to reported offenses, the total clearance rate for reported Index Crimes remained at 11.5% in 2004, its second lowest level on record."
I think we once reached a 15% solved crime rate but I can't prove it.
Pitiful.
You are quoting property crime index. The violent crime index clearance rate for the entire state in 2003 was 37.7%. The violent crime rate is actually down from the mid 90's. Maui County's clearance rate for violent crimes in 2003 was 57.2%. Robbery clearance rate for 2003 was 62.2% Motor vehicle thefts are increasing over the past few years. Clearance rates will improve if police staffing levels can be increased. Every department is working with vacancies. Need a job?
Ashley Young

UK

#42 Jan 17, 2008
I am coming Oahu in April form the United Kingdom. I always holiday in the US and have crime has never bothered me, so it surprises me reading the threads here that crime on the Islands is relatively high. I like to get off the beaten track and meet locals and try not to do the tourist thing. I'm curious to see when I arrive how bad it is compared to other places I have been to.

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