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dretnan

West Mifflin, PA

#50013 Jun 10, 2013
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Amazing Bush

Since: Sep 12

Seattle, WA

#50015 Jun 10, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Anybody read this?
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NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.
The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
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Outrageous, huh?
That was published on May 11, 2006. SEVEN YEARS AGO!
Where was the outrage, rightwingers?
Where were your calls for impeachment?
Obviously you all were totally cool with this same practice seven years ago. Why all the outrage today? What's changed?
Since you went into hiding I'll ask again.

Yep, outrageous then, but now it's on steroids under Obama.

Outrageous, huh?

It wasn't right then and it sure isn't right now, so what's your opinion on the now?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50016 Jun 10, 2013
Dave Rogers wrote:
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Since you went into hiding I'll ask again.
Yep, outrageous then, but now it's on steroids under Obama.
Outrageous, huh?
It wasn't right then and it sure isn't right now, so what's your opinion on the now?
I have always disagreed with many provisions of the Patriot Act.

How about you?
many provisions

Stockholm, Sweden

#50017 Jun 10, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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I have always disagreed with many provisions of the Patriot Act.
How about you?
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“I think it is an important tool for us to continue dealing with an ongoing terrorist threat,”

Obama said Friday, after a meeting with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Where da Red man

Stockholm, Sweden

#50018 Jun 10, 2013
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Where's Obama as IRS, EPA compete for most bizarre scandal in Washington?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/06/07/whe...

Since: Sep 12

Seattle, WA

#50019 Jun 10, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
I have always disagreed with many provisions of the Patriot Act.
How about you?
Let me try this again.

It wasn't right then and it sure isn't right now, so what's your opinion on the now?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50020 Jun 10, 2013
Dave Rogers wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me try this again.
It wasn't right then and it sure isn't right now, so what's your opinion on the now?
Let me try again.

As I've said multiple times - I don't like it.
Piper Hoffman

North East, PA

#50021 Jun 10, 2013
The BHO Legacy wrote:
Record 23,116,441 households on food stamps
The number of American households on food stamps reached a new record high in March, according to new data released by the Agriculture Department.
The March numbers the USDA released Friday reveal 23,116,441 households enrolled in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or food stamps, each receiving an average monthly benefit of $274.30....
SNAP has been in the news in recent years and months as the program’s rolls have ballooned and the cost has quadrupled since 2001 and doubled since President Obama took office.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/09/record-2311...
You are paying Wal-Mart employees’ wages. Yep, you.
The notoriously stingy company cuts every corner to keep prices low, and one of those corners is the payroll. It pays employees peanuts (and then cheats them of their overtime peanuts, but that is another story). By “peanuts” I mean an average of $8.81 per hour.
Many of these workers need welfare to survive. Thus you, the taxpayer, are paying part of Wal-Mart employees’ incomes, to the tune of between $900,000 and $1.75 million per store, and about $5,815 per employee. The welfare programs Wal-Mart workers rely on include Medicaid, subsidized housing and SNAP (aka food stamps — contrary to popular belief, over 40 percent of SNAP recipients live in a household with a wage-earner).
hoffman piper

Harrisburg, PA

#50022 Jun 10, 2013
bobby6464

Indian Trail, NC

#50026 Jun 10, 2013
WEEKLY STANDARD cut back on the Limbaugh nut juice, but there is plenty. AMERICA ain't buying that bull chit
Blackbeard

Paterson, NJ

#50029 Jun 10, 2013
Piper Hoffman wrote:
<quoted text>You are paying Wal-Mart employees’ wages. Yep, you.
The notoriously stingy company cuts every corner to keep prices low, and one of those corners is the payroll. It pays employees peanuts (and then cheats them of their overtime peanuts, but that is another story). By “peanuts” I mean an average of $8.81 per hour.
Many of these workers need welfare to survive. Thus you, the taxpayer, are paying part of Wal-Mart employees’ incomes, to the tune of between $900,000 and $1.75 million per store, and about $5,815 per employee. The welfare programs Wal-Mart workers rely on include Medicaid, subsidized housing and SNAP (aka food stamps — contrary to popular belief, over 40 percent of SNAP recipients live in a household with a wage-earner).
I agree...
Interesting expose on WalMart....

How about the Food & Service Industry....where we the patron make the payroll for the owner...
They normally offer no healthcare...some do offer limited high deductable plans but most offer none...
So they pay less than minimum wage and count on us to supplement the payroll with tips.
But I guess were gullible because we do leave tips know the owners aren't paying them well...what a deal.

Since: Sep 12

Seattle, WA

#50030 Jun 10, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me try again.
As I've said multiple times - I don't like it.
You don't like it but what is it that you don't like about the now part? This is a very serious scandal brewing that has affected every person in this country and all you can say is you don't like it?

Democrats and people of all parties are condemning Obama over this. How do you feel about having someone monitor everything you and you family consider private? This is above and beyond what Bush used it for. I just can't imagine why anyone would feel comfortable or accept someone keeping files on them.

It wasn't right then and it sure isn't right now, so what's your opinion on the now?

You're not able to defend Obama's actions on this one are you? I understand Danny.
bobby6464

Indian Trail, NC

#50032 Jun 10, 2013
SURPRISE SURPRISE

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#50033 Jun 10, 2013
Dave Rogers wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't like it but what is it that you don't like about the now part? This is a very serious scandal brewing that has affected every person in this country and all you can say is you don't like it?
Democrats and people of all parties are condemning Obama over this. How do you feel about having someone monitor everything you and you family consider private? This is above and beyond what Bush used it for. I just can't imagine why anyone would feel comfortable or accept someone keeping files on them.
It wasn't right then and it sure isn't right now, so what's your opinion on the now?
You're not able to defend Obama's actions on this one are you? I understand Danny.
I'm not sure what you're fishing for.

I was opposed to the Patriot Act when it was passed. I was opposed to Bush's warrentless wiretaps. I was opposed when the Congress made those wiretaps legal. I've been opposed to Obama continuing those same Bush policies. I'm opposed to trading too much privacy for security.

But the bottom line is that Obama didn't do anything illegal and the Congress has been fully briefed and approved what's happening. If you want to be outraged - be outraged at the people who passed the law that allows the President to do this. If this puts pressure on Congress to change the law - good! I hope it does.

But your criticism and all the criticism from the right on this issue is pure hypocrisy. This is the program you wanted. This is the level of security your party demanded. To act like Obama is doing something unprecedented is more than hypocritical - it's pure mendacious partisan posturing.
LEFTNUTS

Louisville, KY

#50034 Jun 10, 2013
Obama not only extended the Patriot Act, he added to it !
phone home

West Mifflin, PA

#50036 Jun 10, 2013
Bush made wire taps an executive order,Obama didnt

So if you're going to blame Obama blame Bush also.

The NSA warrantless surveillance controversy (AKA "Warrantless Wiretapping") concerns surveillance of persons within the United States during the collection of foreign intelligence by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) as part of the war on terror. Under this program, referred to by the Bush administration as the "terrorist surveillance program",[1] part of the broader President's Surveillance Program, the NSA was authorized by executive order to monitor, without search warrants, the phone calls, Internet activity (Web, e-mail, etc.), text messaging, and other communication involving any party believed by the NSA to be outside the U.S., even if the other end of the communication lies within the U.S. Critics, however, claimed that it was in an effort to attempt to silence critics of the Bush Administration and their handling of several hot button issues during its tenure. Under public pressure, the Bush administration ceased the warrantless wiretapping program in January 2007 and returned review of surveillance to the FISA court.[2] Subsequently, in 2008 Congress passed the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which relaxed some of the original FISA court requirements.

During the Obama Administration, the NSA has officially continued operating under the new FISA guidelines.[3] However, in April 2009 officials at the United States Department of Justice acknowledged that the NSA had engaged in "overcollection" of domestic communications in excess of the FISA court's authority, but claimed that the acts were unintentional and had since been rectified.
LEFTNUTS

Louisville, KY

#50037 Jun 10, 2013
All the dems can do today is holla GW! GW! GW!

GW started it !!

Like little 5 yr. olds in a pushing war.

Both parties want the Patriot Act or we wouldn't have it today.

It's really sad to watch the true believers drinking down the kool aid. Must be some good mind altering smack.
LEFTNUTS

Louisville, KY

#50039 Jun 10, 2013
I mean, just look at the self portrait avatar of this guy.
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure what you're fishing for.
I was opposed to the Patriot Act when it was passed. I was opposed to Bush's warrentless wiretaps. I was opposed when the Congress made those wiretaps legal. I've been opposed to Obama continuing those same Bush policies. I'm opposed to trading too much privacy for security.
But the bottom line is that Obama didn't do anything illegal and the Congress has been fully briefed and approved what's happening. If you want to be outraged - be outraged at the people who passed the law that allows the President to do this. If this puts pressure on Congress to change the law - good! I hope it does.
But your criticism and all the criticism from the right on this issue is pure hypocrisy. This is the program you wanted. This is the level of security your party demanded. To act like Obama is doing something unprecedented is more than hypocritical - it's pure mendacious partisan posturing.
phonegate

West Mifflin, PA

#50040 Jun 10, 2013
George W. Bush as the New Richard M. Nixon: Both Wiretapped Illegally, and Impeachably

Both Claimed That a President May Violate Congress' Laws to Protect National Security



On Friday, December 16,2005 , the New York Times published a major scoop by James Risen and Eric Lichtblau: They reported that Bush authorized the National Security Agency (NSA) to spy on Americans without warrants, ignoring the procedures of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

It was a long story loaded with astonishing information of lawbreaking at the White House. It reported that sometime in 2002, Bush issued an executive order authorizing NSA to track and intercept international telephone and/or email exchanges coming into, or out of, the U.S.- when one party was believed to have direct or indirect ties with al Qaeda.

Initially, Bush and the White House stonewalled, neither confirming nor denying the president had ignored the law. Bush refused to discuss it in his interview with Jim Lehrer.

Then, on Saturday, December 17, in his radio broadcast, Bush admitted that the New York Times was correct - and thus conceded he had committed an impeachable offense.

There can be no serious question that warrantless wiretapping, in violation of the law, is impeachable. After all, Nixon was charged in Article II of his bill of impeachment with illegal wiretapping for what he, too, claimed were national security reasons.

These parallel violations underscore the continuing, disturbing parallels between this Administration and the Nixon Administration - parallels I also discussed in a prior column.

Indeed, here, Bush may have outdone Nixon: Nixon's illegal surveillance was limited; Bush's, it is developing, may be extraordinarily broad in scope. First reports indicated that NSA was only monitoring foreign calls, originating either in the USA or abroad, and that no more than 500 calls were being covered at any given time. But later reports have suggested that NSA is "data mining" literally millions of calls - and has been given access by the telecommunications companies to "switching" stations through which foreign communications traffic flows.
truth

West Mifflin, PA

#50041 Jun 10, 2013
LEFTNUTS wrote:
Obama not only extended the Patriot Act, he added to it !
Congress approved extension of USA Patriot Act provisions in May of 2011

In the House, 196 Republicans and 54 Democrats voted yes, and 31 Republicans and 122 Democrats voted no. Twenty-nine members did not vote.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-05-26...

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