Wal-Mart proposed in Lima

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The world's largest retailer could soon be making its way into a small Livingston County town.

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Lyn and Dave Swartz

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May 8, 2006
 
The Town of Lima is about to make a life altering decision – to let Wal-Mart build on 53 acres of prime agricultural land just outside the village limits on Route 15A.
If Wal-Mart builds, this is just a few things that will alter the rural, friendly atmosphere, which is the reason we live here: 24 hour traffic (Wal-Mart estimates 832 cars per hour), constant 18-wheeler traffic on Routes 5 & 20, Rt. 15A and numerous rural roads, parking lot lights that will light up the night 365 days a year, a burden on our small sewage system, a further decline in water sources (water needed in the garden store, restrooms and restaurant use), non-stop car and truck traffic through our one traffic light in the center of the town (no turn lanes in the north and south direction), litter (ever see the road in front of Wal-Mart Geneseo, it is littered with Slurpee cups, plastic bags, empty oil containers), probable closing of our local merchants and more empty store fronts, a huge burden on our volunteer ambulance with the inevitable traffic accidents, plus the Fire Department calls and the Livingston County Sheriff and State Police that will be needed, and the increase of out-of-town visitor that do not respect our rural life styles and values (increased crime, car break-ins, shoplifting).
This is just a partial list of negative results of Wal-Mart coming to our town. The opposition argues increased tax revenue (Wal-Mart will not pay its full share for 11 years), proximity (2 other Wal-Mart’s are 12-15 miles away), local charitable contributions, and a few new low-paying jobs. My math doesn’t add that up to the value of what we will lose.
Call, write or e-mail the Town Board and register your concerns. Do not sit back and let others decide for you. And one final thought – that big tax assessment you just received - do you think a Wal-Mart next door to your home will let you sell it for that, when you can no longer find the values you moved here for?
Mike

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May 8, 2006
 
Thank you Lyn & Dave
LIMA

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May 8, 2006
 
WAL-MART Yeah!!!!!!!!!!Can't wait! It's a done deal :)
Tony

Rochester, NY

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May 9, 2006
 
I guess I do not understand why Lima needs a Wal*Mart when Geneseo and Henrietta both have Super Wal*Marts. I do not know if Lima is going to be a 'super' or not, but why do they need one at all? Maybe they could take the Lowes from Geneseo.....
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May 9, 2006
 
LIMA wrote:
WAL-MART Yeah!!!!!!!!!!Can't wait! It's a done deal :)
If it goes through , you will be right. It will be DONE. Do not underestimate the power of loss. There could be a real exodus of folks leaving the area if Walmart goes. Then you have a problem.
LIMA

Conesus, NY

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May 9, 2006
 
I'm starting a Pro Wal-Mart online petition! I will put link on when it's confirmed!
LIMA

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May 9, 2006
 
The average wage for regular full-time hourly associates in New York is $10.17 per hour (Wal-Mart Discount Stores, Supercenters and Neighborhood Markets). Additionally, associates are eligible for performance-based bonuses.
LIMA

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May 9, 2006
 
Benefits
Fact: Wal-Mart offers affordable health care coverage to both its full and part-time associates. We work hard to offer good, affordable coverage to our people. Historically, Wal-Mart has paid about two-thirds of the cost of the Associates' Medical Plan. Wal-Mart provides insurance to more than 1 million people and offers up to 18 different plans. Coverage is available for as little as $11 per month for individuals and 30 cents per day for children - no matter how many children an associate has.

Unlike many plans, after the first year, the Wal-Mart medical plan has no lifetime maximum for most expenses, protecting our associates against catastrophic loss and financial ruin. We have different deductibles to meet individual needs.

Associates also have access to world class healthcare at the Mayo Clinic, Stanford University Hospital, Johns Hopkins University Hospital and many other leading health care facilities without insurance approval.

In recent years, Wal-Mart has contributed 4 percent of an associate's eligible pay to the combined Profit Sharing & 401(k) plan. Our hourly associates, just like our management and executive associates, receive bonuses and other incentives for helping the company achieve its goals. In FYE 2005, we spent $4.2 billion on benefits for our associates

Community Impact
Fact: Wal-Mart supports communities financially and provides hundreds of jobs. Our property taxes, sales tax revenue and community giving help fund basic services like police and fire departments and schools, and support for invaluable charities. The typical Supercenter raises or gives $30,000 to $50,000 a year to local charitable needs ranging from youth programs to literacy councils. In fact, Wal-Mart is the largest corporate cash contributor in America. In 2005, Wal-Mart donated more than $200 million to help charities and organizations throughout the U.S. More than 90 percent of cash donations from Wal-Mart Stores and the Wal-Mart & SAM'S CLUB Foundation target local communities. That’s $18,000 an hour or $6 a second. In 2005, Wal-Mart collected more than $12.1 billion in state and local sales taxes and paid millions in property taxes.

A UBS Warburg study found that Wal-Mart grocery prices are 17 to 20 percent lower than other supermarkets, which has the greatest benefit for a community’s low-income families. A recent independent economic study by Global Insight, Inc. demonstrated the net positive impact Wal-Mart has on communities. The study showed Wal-Mart saved working families over $2,300 per household, per year.

Studies show that new businesses spring up near Wal-Marts and existing stores flourish as they take advantage of the increased customer flow to and from our stores. Drive by any Wal-Mart store and count the number of businesses operating nearby, many are independent local businesses or locally owned franchises. The most definitive look at this issue, by Dr. Emek Basker at the University of Missouri, showed average increases of 50 retail jobs in communities five years after the entry of Wal-Mart.
Lima Resident

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May 9, 2006
 
LIMA wrote:
Benefits
Fact: Wal-Mart offers affordable health care coverage to both its full and part-time associates. We work hard to offer good, affordable coverage to our people. Historically, Wal-Mart has paid about two-thirds of the cost of the Associates' Medical Plan. Wal-Mart provides insurance to more than 1 million people and offers up to 18 different plans. Coverage is available for as little as $11 per month for individuals and 30 cents per day for children - no matter how many children an associate has.
Unlike many plans, after the first year, the Wal-Mart medical plan has no lifetime maximum for most expenses, protecting our associates against catastrophic loss and financial ruin. We have different deductibles to meet individual needs.
Associates also have access to world class healthcare at the Mayo Clinic, Stanford University Hospital, Johns Hopkins University Hospital and many other leading health care facilities without insurance approval.
In recent years, Wal-Mart has contributed 4 percent of an associate's eligible pay to the combined Profit Sharing & 401(k) plan. Our hourly associates, just like our management and executive associates, receive bonuses and other incentives for helping the company achieve its goals. In FYE 2005, we spent $4.2 billion on benefits for our associates
Community Impact
Fact: Wal-Mart supports communities financially and provides hundreds of jobs. Our property taxes, sales tax revenue and community giving help fund basic services like police and fire departments and schools, and support for invaluable charities. The typical Supercenter raises or gives $30,000 to $50,000 a year to local charitable needs ranging from youth programs to literacy councils. In fact, Wal-Mart is the largest corporate cash contributor in America. In 2005, Wal-Mart donated more than $200 million to help charities and organizations throughout the U.S. More than 90 percent of cash donations from Wal-Mart Stores and the Wal-Mart & SAM'S CLUB Foundation target local communities. That’s $18,000 an hour or $6 a second. In 2005, Wal-Mart collected more than $12.1 billion in state and local sales taxes and paid millions in property taxes.
A UBS Warburg study found that Wal-Mart grocery prices are 17 to 20 percent lower than other supermarkets, which has the greatest benefit for a community’s low-income families. A recent independent economic study by Global Insight, Inc. demonstrated the net positive impact Wal-Mart has on communities. The study showed Wal-Mart saved working families over $2,300 per household, per year.
Studies show that new businesses spring up near Wal-Marts and existing stores flourish as they take advantage of the increased customer flow to and from our stores. Drive by any Wal-Mart store and count the number of businesses operating nearby, many are independent local businesses or locally owned franchises. The most definitive look at this issue, by Dr. Emek Basker at the University of Missouri, showed average increases of 50 retail jobs in communities five years after the entry of Wal-Mart.
Thank You for taking the time and posting your comment. It is very much appreciated!!!
amazed

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May 9, 2006
 
Stop the circus pitch. It is wrong for Lima, and it's surroundings...period. Good use of cut and paste though.
Lima Resident

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May 9, 2006
 
LIMA wrote:
I'm starting a Pro Wal-Mart online petition! I will put link on when it's confirmed!
Will be looking forward to joining in!! We'll keep our eyes open for it!
Mike

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May 9, 2006
 
I would NEVER let my child work at Walmart. Ever. Local stores are enough. This cradle to grave mentality is absurd. If this goes through, you will be the most lonely people because most will scramble for the nearest exit. Even if we lose money on our house, I'm out. Are you all so despondant that the allure of a mega chain would drive you to sell your community out? We all want a better situation, but to dance with this giant is very , very dangerous. Wow, so they do a little for the community. Why the --- would they not? There raping the land, pilliging current businesses and worse filling good people's minds with promises of grandeur. One thing is for sure. Walmart may come in for awhile, but the smiles between neighbors and towns will be gone forever.
diamondlady

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May 9, 2006
 
I live in Lima, and grew up in the area, and can tell you it would be devsating for the Town of Lima and the Village of Lima in more ways than one. Traffic, loss of small local business, rural surrounding. This is a zoning issue as well. Wal-Mart can choose another location not far from the one they are after already zoned commercial, they are choosing to go after this residential farm! Not good for Lima and the surrounding area.
Melanie

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May 9, 2006
 
LIMA wrote:
I'm starting a Pro Wal-Mart online petition! I will put link on when it's confirmed!
I am for Wal-Mart also. I can't wait for it to be here.
Mike

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May 9, 2006
 
Please feel free to be for Walmart. There are three close to choose from. Really !
Tony

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May 11, 2006
 
All I can say is that you cannot beat the prices at WalMart. Shopping localy is nice, but today, you have to be smart as well. It's like finding the cheapist gas station. Walmart can beat Wegmans prices as well as most of the 'mom and pop' stores. I am a blue collar worker and I'll be damed if I'm going to pay more for something just to buy it from a local business over WalMart.
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May 11, 2006
 
LIMA wrote:
WAL-MART Yeah!!!!!!!!!!Can't wait! It's a done deal :)
Walmart is coming to Scottsville, too. Thats news to me!
LIMA Resident

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May 11, 2006
 
I LIVE in LIMA! My server is through Scottsville apparently :P
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May 11, 2006
 
I live in Lima, Personally I hope wal-mart comes in and puts the hammer to the local stores that have been ripping us off with their poor service and selection for years.... Wow the thought of not having to drive 20 minutes to go to a real store..... Sure there will be a whole bunch of places that go down but why does no one talk about the other businesses that will come in and set up shop next to them. Simply put they want to build and develop stores on 15A. If I remember correctly the town did ask the residents a few years ago how they wanted to develop Lima. Now the time has come and they are crying. I personally think it is a matter of money. For some reason they keep talking about who gets the tax dollars. you can bet your sweet a*s that if the town was cashing in on the high side of the tax map they would be singing a different tune... Ooh yeah the town lawyer Stephen Kruk can not be involved in this matter because of a conflict in interest due to a previous issue with wal-mart. do some reading on what is really going on. Key words Kruk & Campbell,Livonia Housing,pay 1,000 an acre to hud,roll it to a relative, get 40,000 an acre and close the doors to play supervisor.... and to think we think that the big nasty walmart is the antichrist....:-) lol
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May 12, 2006
 
CAMMED wrote:
I live in Lima, Personally I hope wal-mart comes in and puts the hammer to the local stores that have been ripping us off with their poor service and selection for years.... Wow the thought of not having to drive 20 minutes to go to a real store..... Sure there will be a whole bunch of places that go down but why does no one talk about the other businesses that will come in and set up shop next to them. Simply put they want to build and develop stores on 15A. If I remember correctly the town did ask the residents a few years ago how they wanted to develop Lima. Now the time has come and they are crying. I personally think it is a matter of money. For some reason they keep talking about who gets the tax dollars. you can bet your sweet a*s that if the town was cashing in on the high side of the tax map they would be singing a different tune... Ooh yeah the town lawyer Stephen Kruk can not be involved in this matter because of a conflict in interest due to a previous issue with wal-mart. do some reading on what is really going on. Key words Kruk & Campbell,Livonia Housing,pay 1,000 an acre to hud,roll it to a relative, get 40,000 an acre and close the doors to play supervisor.... and to think we think that the big nasty walmart is the antichrist....:-) lol
I can't believe that people complain about driving 20 minutes to go to a store. There is nothing you can't get in Lima or HF right now that you can get at Wal-Mart. Sure, you may pay a bit more, but in a picnh, that's a nice option. You too can do some reading. Go to the Town of Lima website and read the draft of the Comprehensive Plan. This was formed from the surveys you mentioned. The number one opinion was that the residents wanted to maintain the rural character of the town. Yes, we also wanted development. That's exactly why the west side of Route 15a has so much commercially zoned property for sale and that's what the Plan calls for. Why do we have to consider rezoning the farmland in the middle of a residential area to let Wal-Mart come in? Maybe we can all learn a lesson from this and get more involved in our community. Volunteer for the various committees to try to bring responsible development to Lima. We really do live in a nice town. Too bad it took something like this to make me realize just how lucky we are. Let's not go an ruin it by putting up a giant store in the middle of a beautiful farm.

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