5 shot in fight at south suburban bar

[LP Trixie]

hahaha OMG. How can people stand living in this environment?

[Brian]

Rob S wrote:

1. In 2001, I began a job on 87th Street. I saw a man panhandling in front of a Burger King with 2 help wanted signs, one on the marquee, the other in the window.

I dated a girl a few years back that worked at a restaurant in a very good neighborhood in Chicago. They had a gentleman who was out in the streets pan handling for a long time. They decided one night to offer him a job and bring a busser. I guess he almost laughed and said, "I make three times as money out her begging as I would in there." From then on, I don't give any money to beggers.

Also, what kind of bar in a neighborhood like that has hundreds of people in it on a Tuesday night. No wonder that area is so bad, I doubt bars in many economically sound towns and neighborhoods have "hundreds of people" in them on a tuesday night. Not many.

[Jones]

Dear What,

If you live in that community, why is your address given as Sacramento, CA?

[Rev BeeBop]

Mtgolfer wrote:

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Not to bright, are you Bob?
Where someone lives doesn't dictate their powers of observation or their ability to think clearly about what they observe.
But, thanks to you, I may make an exception for Houston.

Well said. If Bob is from Houston, the U.S. murder capital, his comments are understandable. Scared and bitter I would suppose.

[Out late]

Interesting wrote:

Whay are bars open past 10pm anyway?

Those of us who work all week long need some time to relax and don't need a 10 PM curfew. People in their 20's and 30's like to go out past the 10 O' Clock news and all the way through Jay Leno! Sometimes the fun doesn't start until far past 10!!

[rosco]

Oh no, were those nasty off-duty Chicago cops at that tavern too??

[wrecksracer]

LP Trixie wrote:

hahaha OMG. How can people stand living in this environment?

It's funny to laugh at people less fortunate than you? Even if some of these people bring these problems on themselves, I just don't see the humor.

[hideaki]

PEOPLE R NUTS wrote:

ok... What... so you may have yourself together but you are one of the biggest racist! Blacks have it wayyyy easier than whites to get ahead. They just do not take advantage of it because they all want something handed to them for doing nothing. Then they cry...whites are racist! There are black people then there are n-ers... Every race has thier trash. Blacks just cry about it the most because they are the most racist!!

That hasn't been true for years.

[hideaki]

THE SOLUTION wrote:

'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English
except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.$500 sneakers for what??
And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2??
Where were you when he was 12??
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol??
And where is the father?? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?
Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?
Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa .
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands'-- or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer.'
Dr.. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.

*gasp* you told the truth, now here comes the firestorm of negative remarks.

[PEOPLE R NUTS]

hideaki.... yes.. it is still true and running rampid! take off your blinders!

[mcm]

What wrote:

The comments here are insightful. Tells you something about the mentality of our nation.
I happen to live in that area. And it is not the battle field that some make it out to be. There are many upstanding individuals in the communities of Dolton and Riverdales. I enjoy where I live.
Of course we can always look around and wish things were better. But noone on earth today live in a violent free society. To the person above who lives in Lake Forest...Does Lake Forest, IL have police? Do people there have locks on their doors? If the answer to either or both question is no the maybe your area is significantly better. But if the answer is yes you have a security issue as well. So don't stand in you ivory tower looking down on Dolton/Riverdale.
Personally, I have a professional job. I am Black. I work everyday. I went to college. I have excellent credit and pay my bills on time. I enjoy where I live and I repeat it is not dispicable!!
I would love to live in a diverse affordable communtity but in this racist city and surronding suburbs there are no such places. As soon as Blacks move in whites move out. Since this country caters to whites and discounts Blacks (even though they don't discount our taxes). So when whites go so do the businesses, police presence, etc.
This is my problem now and I'm dealing with it. But look out affluent, racist (whatever color), elitists. You time is coming. What will YOU do?

Not be in a bar at 0300 for starters....

[Kim]

I am so glad I decided not to go there last night. All this violence is just ridiculous.

[Kim]

Riverdale: The next Ford Heights

[Mr Lodge]

Den C wrote:

Riverdale trash and it is not summer yet!

Don't Archie & Jughead live in Riverdale?

[Kim]

Playmaker wrote:

Indeed! This bar sounds like a happening place. Must be good if it can draw a crowd on a Tuesday night! And why are you all assuming that the shooters were Black?

Because they were, there are no white people in Jimmys unless someone has a birthday party and you may have white friends. But normally everyone in jimmy's is white. And on a Tuesday they have alot of lesbians or young crowd.

Now whose to say the people involved lived in Riverdale. I go there and I don't live in riverdale. Jimmy's is a nice place when the crowd is right and Older.

[Cosmo]

Rob S wrote:

I was born and raised in Dolton. It is heartbreaking to see once great communities turned into gangbanger territory with a gang banger mentality. More and more homes are boarded up, businesses have left, leaving large store fronts vacant. I personally know 3 people in Dolton that have been trying to sell their homes for over 1 year. ALL of the prospective buyers say the same thing. The housing market/prices are not worth moving to those neighborhoods. It is difficult to sell a six figure house in areas that have unabated graffiti, punks hanging out all over and a genral depressed feeling.

I know exactly what you mean. I grew up in Lansing (sort of near Dolton/Riverdale) and it too has turned bad. One poster commented that it's Daley pushing his problems to the south 'burbs. I agree with that comment. The ghetto mind set is infesting what used to be great neighborhoods.

[wrecksracer]

THE SOLUTION wrote:

'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English
except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.$500 sneakers for what??
And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2??
Where were you when he was 12??
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol??
And where is the father?? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?
Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?
Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa .
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.
Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands'-- or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.
We cannot blame the white people any longer.'
Dr.. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.

A lot of what Bill Cosby says is true. However, it should be noted that he is first and foremost a comedian. And its been a long time since he was poor. There is no question that he paid his dues to get to where he's at. However, he is an exception to what normally happens to poor black people (or people of any color). If it was possible for all of us to be millionaire comedians, wouldn't we all be millionaire comedians?

[Cosmo]

Goopedup wrote:

<quoted text>
Could not agree more. I grew up onthe southside as wel and would not go there now to save my life. This is rock-solid proof of what happens when you provide section 8 housing and "give" nice housing to trashy people who don't care. They are a cancer and it spreads when the decent homeowners get sick of dealing with the problems and sell to another section 8 candidate (because as you have said, no decent homeowners will buy into a declining hood). Tragic and frustrating!!

I agree.

[the hammer]

Riverdale used to be a white community. It is hard not to be racist when you see all blacks move in and trash your town. When have blacks moved into a community and improved it?

[non]

the hammer wrote:

Way to go blacks, you ruined another community
lets see
Riverdale
Dolton
South Holland
Whats next Tinley?

That's a rotten, nasty, racist thing to say. Why not go stand out in front of Lincoln School today when they let the little ones out for the day and tell them how they ruined Dolton.

If you want to make it about race, the people who 'ruined' the South burbs you mention were the white folks who ran scared out of fear of the 'other' twenty five years ago.

And mayor Daley, OF COURSE.