Onward Wisconsin

[Neighbor]

Well Walker turned $3B state debt into $150M surplus, added 30,000 jobs, cut tax's, and put every school district in the black. So the facts are, his solution worked.

Now, Public Unions, as we know, earn far more than their private sector counter part. Facts are facts. Nowhere in the Constitution of America does it state that collective barganing is a "right". Correct? Collective Barganing is a privilege, not a right. IMO, particularly so with Public Unions.

I salute Walkers leadership!

Now, Chicago Teachers want a 30% salary increase. Today their average salary is $72k, and the average Chicago private sector person makes $56k. Another out of balance condition. Chicago is broke, in debt, and has no money. So the Teachers plan to STRIKE for the 30% in the fall. Are they being good neighbors? <lol

How to you think Rahm will respond to the Teacher Union over this?

[New Lenox Parents]

Union workers like Unions for one reason.... you can't be fired for being a lazy ass. Speak to any pro-union person.... you might as well be talking to a block. Its akin to being brainwashed. And they usually have no clue what they are talking about, just "buy American..." oh, if it were only that simple. You better get rid of your Ford or Chevy then dumby. Get rid of your TV and your couch. You can't be "pro-Union" only when it suits your needs.... which is usually on a picket line or on a bar stool.

I agree the union was necessary at one time. YOu want to be valued as an employee and be paid accordingly? Work. Work hard. Strive. It really is that simple.

Look at the labor statistics of union shops. The numbers speak for themselves. 100 guys employed to do the job of 20 guys. Hmmmm......

I have supported Walker since the start and will continue to do so. His numbers speak for themselves.

My husband is union. We disagree, I suppose. However, he busts his ass for the same pay the guys around him sit around for. Really freaking American. You work to keep the jobs for 30 other guys. Hell no. Bust up the unions, America. Rid corruption on all levels. Aren't we over the Hoffa era yet? How stupid are we as a voting public to seriously see unions as an overall good thing? We can't be this naive, can we?

[hold on]

New Lenox Parents wrote:

Union workers like Unions for one reason.... you can't be fired for being a lazy ass. Speak to any pro-union person.... you might as well be talking to a block. Its akin to being brainwashed. And they usually have no clue what they are talking about, just "buy American..." oh, if it were only that simple. You better get rid of your Ford or Chevy then dumby. Get rid of your TV and your couch. You can't be "pro-Union" only when it suits your needs.... which is usually on a picket line or on a bar stool.
I agree the union was necessary at one time. YOu want to be valued as an employee and be paid accordingly? Work. Work hard. Strive. It really is that simple.
Look at the labor statistics of union shops. The numbers speak for themselves. 100 guys employed to do the job of 20 guys. Hmmmm......
I have supported Walker since the start and will continue to do so. His numbers speak for themselves.
My husband is union. We disagree, I suppose. However, he busts his ass for the same pay the guys around him sit around for. Really freaking American. You work to keep the jobs for 30 other guys. Hell no. Bust up the unions, America. Rid corruption on all levels. Aren't we over the Hoffa era yet? How stupid are we as a voting public to seriously see unions as an overall good thing? We can't be this naive, can we?

So your husband is in a union and he busts his ass. But all others are in a union just so they cant be fired for being lazy asses. And he is a pro union person and you are anti union. So you are married to someone who talking to is like talking to a block and he usually has no clue. Your post is so contradictory its foolish. There are good employees in unions and bad employees in unions. Just as there are good employees in non union shops and bad employees in non union shops. Judging someone strictly by whether or not they are in a union and not individually is just another case of bias on your part. I have been in a union for 25 years and still do my job to the fullest as do most of my coworkers. Before that and during that time I have worked other part time and full time postions in non union places and seen some pretty damn lazy workers, most who are usually rewarded for their incompetence due to who they know in the company. Anyways Walker won so just move on. If he turns the state around great.

[hold on]

Neighbor wrote:

Well Walker turned $3B state debt into $150M surplus, added 30,000 jobs, cut tax's, and put every school district in the black. So the facts are, his solution worked.
Now, Public Unions, as we know, earn far more than their private sector counter part. Facts are facts. Nowhere in the Constitution of America does it state that collective barganing is a "right". Correct? Collective Barganing is a privilege, not a right. IMO, particularly so with Public Unions.
I salute Walkers leadership!
Now, Chicago Teachers want a 30% salary increase. Today their average salary is $72k, and the average Chicago private sector person makes $56k. Another out of balance condition. Chicago is broke, in debt, and has no money. So the Teachers plan to STRIKE for the 30% in the fall. Are they being good neighbors? <lol
How to you think Rahm will respond to the Teacher Union over this?

So you judge teachers salary against all other chicago private sector employees and think thats fair. What about judging teachers against teachers. That part of your post is so ridiculous it astounding. Why dont you just compare them to burger king workers, you will get even better results. Cmon you know better than that, you cant compare apples to oranges.

[tell me please]

New Lenox Parents wrote:

Union workers like Unions for one reason.... you can't be fired for being a lazy ass. Speak to any pro-union person.... you might as well be talking to a block. Its akin to being brainwashed. And they usually have no clue what they are talking about, just "buy American..." oh, if it were only that simple. You better get rid of your Ford or Chevy then dumby. Get rid of your TV and your couch. You can't be "pro-Union" only when it suits your needs.... which is usually on a picket line or on a bar stool.
I agree the union was necessary at one time. YOu want to be valued as an employee and be paid accordingly? Work. Work hard. Strive. It really is that simple.
Look at the labor statistics of union shops. The numbers speak for themselves. 100 guys employed to do the job of 20 guys. Hmmmm......
I have supported Walker since the start and will continue to do so. His numbers speak for themselves.
My husband is union. We disagree, I suppose. However, he busts his ass for the same pay the guys around him sit around for. Really freaking American. You work to keep the jobs for 30 other guys. Hell no. Bust up the unions, America. Rid corruption on all levels. Aren't we over the Hoffa era yet? How stupid are we as a voting public to seriously see unions as an overall good thing? We can't be this naive, can we?

Well... that union job allows your husband to earn a living wage and for you to sit on your fat ass and post here all day. Would your husband earn as much if not in the union?

[Neighbor]

hold on wrote:

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So you judge teachers salary against all other chicago private sector employees and think thats fair. What about judging teachers against teachers. That part of your post is so ridiculous it astounding. Why dont you just compare them to burger king workers, you will get even better results. Cmon you know better than that, you cant compare apples to oranges.

I hear you... But think about this, the Burger King worker you refer to is a perfect example of the private sector person who generates the dollars that pay that Teacher $72k, while he/her makes minimum wage, has no benefits, no pension, etc...

Don't take this for anything other than reality, but Public Unions fail to think about the side of the coin of who's money pays for their salary, benefits, and gold pensions. You have to admit, if you are a $56k private sector hard working BA degreed person, who's dollars you have personally created/earned are paying someone in a Public Servant Union that has 30% more pay, golden benefits & a golden pension far far greater than you, you need to stop and think about is that really fair right? You see, it's not the School District, nor the City, nor the State that creates those dollars used to pay Public Unions, it's the dollars earned by that $56k private sector person that does. How did we get so far out of balance? It really is time for the Pendulum to be pulled way back in the other direction for these spoiled Public Union servants.

[Unincorporated]

So Wisconsin passed a law that said unions could not deduct dues automatically from their members checks. Guess what happened? Their rolls dropped by some 34,000. If it's so great to be a union member, why aren't these people staying put?
Can some union jackbooted thug please explain this to me? From the article, and then you can go there because I try to provide proof unlike some;

Unions in Wisconsin are no longer delivering enough value to their members to cause members to voluntarily stay with the union. Union membership in public sector unions in the state has plunged since Governor Walker and legislative conservatives enacted collective bargaining reform last year. According to a front-page story in today’s Wall Street Journal, 34,073 AFSCME members left the union in Wisconsin over the past year. The paper notes that most of that decline came from state workers deciding they no longer wanted to pay union dues.

http://mediatrackers.org/2012/05/31/union-mem...

[Salute To Walker]

For the entirety of the four decades I taught in Illinois, 9.4% of my salary was deducted from every paycheck. I had no say in the matter.

Walker inherited a fiscal mess in which Badger teachers contributed only 0.5%- 19 TIMES less than Illinois teachers - and had health care that was nearly free to them. In retirement, I pay $900 a month and that's with no pre-existing conditions to drive up my cost.

My salute to Governor Walker for:

1) Winning in 2010,

2) Making the cuts his state badly needed. Wisconsin teachers now pay 5%(still half as much as I did) and must foot more of their own health care bills,

3) and winning his recall election.

[Neighbor]

Not only did Walker get elected to fix WI, he fixed things. Not only did Walker get elected, Walker was re-elected. Not only have School districts moved into the BLACK, they have a surplus. Not only did the Union lose automatic dues collection, they lost 34,000 members to seal (I mean) take dues from. Plus Walker added 30,000 jobs....

Soooo, why do the Dem's want to stop all this????
Why?

[Unincorporated]

Soooo, why do the Dem's want to stop all this????
Why?

Because this is the camel's nose in the tent. Once states start to realise and people as well, that they don't have to deal with the union thuggery they will opt out leading to fiscal solvency for all the states that are currently severely in the red. There goes their voting base. They won't be able to offer freebies at taxpayers expense to these folks anymore. LOL!

[hold on]

I am a union public servant and believe that everyone who is should be paying into their pensions. As for health care upon retirement, well thats just a pipe dream for most anymore. I know we pay around $17000 a year for family health care plan upon retirement if you want to stay on the same plan. As for pension we have always paid 9.9 percent and our fund is very well off. You have to have a fair system in place and not allow the pension spiking (thats for you baldy). If done right and not borrowed from by greedy politicians a pension fund can work. Ours is and was always funded properly and never borrowed from. The problems are that the state made promises and failed to make payments to funds and borrowed from funds. So now hard working teachers and others are going to be screwed. If you paid into your retirement for 25 years and then at the end someone says, Oh sorry we spent that money, what are you supposed to do. I know we cannot opt out, its the law that you pay into the fund. I also pay into social security, so combine that with the pension payments and not a huge salary and there was not a lot left to invest over the years. I feel sorry for many people who are in the end of their public service career and are about to get screwed. I just hope that I also dont end up being one of those people. But after 25 years its too late now.
So its just not so easy to say screw the teachers or others, they did as the law instructed them to do. Union or no union. Ya its a mess. But I dont think breaking unions or removing the right to collective bargaining is the be all end all. You need the state legislature to have some common sense and do the right thing and quit robbing peter to pay paul. Oh well its a beautiful day, time for a beer and a swim.

[Unincorporated]

You better hold on. Your pension is going to be robbed as well. Great post.

[Bubba]

Neighbor wrote:

Well Walker turned $3B state debt into $150M surplus, added 30,000 jobs, cut tax's, and put every school district in the black. So the facts are, his solution worked.

Now, Public Unions, as we know, earn far more than their private sector counter part. Facts are facts. Nowhere in the Constitution of America does it state that collective barganing is a "right". Correct? Collective Barganing is a privilege, not a right. IMO, particularly so with Public Unions.

I salute Walkers leadership!

Now, Chicago Teachers want a 30% salary increase. Today their average salary is $72k, and the average Chicago private sector person makes $56k. Another out of balance condition. Chicago is broke, in debt, and has no money. So the Teachers plan to STRIKE for the 30% in the fall. Are they being good neighbors? <lol

How to you think Rahm will respond to the Teacher Union over this?

Can you provide a source for your 3 billion in debt turned into 150 million surplus?

[Unincorporated]

I don't think the state is running a surplus but Walker has made great strides in getting his fiscal house in order. Something Illnoise has yet or may never do. Here's a tidbit explaining what went on and how he did it if you care to read it.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/great-...

[Neighbor]

I thought I posted this? I guess not...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/go...

[Unincorporated]

Well, there you have it. Sources! What wonders will never cease! Not just opinion buts facts, and stories, and real publications! Enjoy!
Neighbor, I had not seen that. I searched and didn't find that either.

[Bubba]

Neighbor wrote:

I thought I posted this? I guess not...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/go...

Half facts yet again. The debt is not gone.

[Unincorporated]

So how much is debt is he running per year? Facts man, facts! Sources! Is this just your opinion?

[New Lenox Parents]

tell me please wrote:

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Well... that union job allows your husband to earn a living wage and for you to sit on your fat ass and post here all day. Would your husband earn as much if not in the union?

Ahhh....the thought process of a pro-union brain-washed thinker.... way to generalize. For one, I do not post all day. For two, yes... my ass my be fatter than it should, but I do not sit on it all day. For three, yes... my husband would earn a good wage if he wasn't union. If he couldn't at his current occupation, he'd do what needed to be done to earn a good wage. This is the problem. We can't always sit back and expect others to fight the fight for us.... get up, work, and make it work for you. That may mean changing it up a bit.

I understand the pro-union bias. I see it as a good thing.... several decades ago. Now, it is just plain silly to see four people sitting around while one is working.

The unions cost the states too much money. The numbers do not lie.

[hold on]

New Lenox Parents wrote:

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Ahhh....the thought process of a pro-union brain-washed thinker.... way to generalize. For one, I do not post all day. For two, yes... my ass my be fatter than it should, but I do not sit on it all day. For three, yes... my husband would earn a good wage if he wasn't union. If he couldn't at his current occupation, he'd do what needed to be done to earn a good wage. This is the problem. We can't always sit back and expect others to fight the fight for us.... get up, work, and make it work for you. That may mean changing it up a bit.
I understand the pro-union bias. I see it as a good thing.... several decades ago. Now, it is just plain silly to see four people sitting around while one is working.
The unions cost the states too much money. The numbers do not lie.

Way to generalize? Yes that is exactly what you are doing. You paint any and every public employee union member with the same brush. This in and of itself tells me that you are so biased that you are unable to make the proper decision. And again your post makes no sense. You state that your husband would make a good wage if he wasnt union. And then you turn around and state the unions cost the state too much money. What????? And again where is that your super man husband works. He is the only one working, while four others sit around. Well thank goodness for Mr Wonderful. Your bias is so overwhelming that I cant take you seriously.